What y'all run for loaders.......
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Topic: What y'all run for loaders.......
Posted By: darrel in ND
Subject: What y'all run for loaders.......
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 2:19pm
| on 8000 series front wheel assists? I tried a Leon 808 on my 8070 for a while, and it just didn't hold up, and I certainly didn't abuse it. But holding back 175 horses of FWA is a pretty big under taking for a loader that was more or less designed in the "2 wheel drive only" era, and then retro fitted to fit a front wheel assist. I have this 8070, and also a 9755 Agco FWA, both about 175 horse tractors, and my operation right now doesn't even need one tractor in that size range, much less two of em. One of em probably needs to become a loader tractor, and one of em has to go. I'd dearly love to keep the 8070 and put a loader on it, and sell the Agco, but I know I can find a good loader for the Agco, but I am not so sure about the 8070. I really should get over the love affair with the 8070 and let it go, because from a practical stand point, the Agco would make a better loader tractor, with the shuttle shift and all, and the obvious; being 15 years newer. Haven't had much luck selling the Agco anyway. Getting rid of both of em for a descent 130 to 140 horse FWA loader tractor would probably even be the best option. Any hope for me.....? Thanks, Darrel |
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Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 2:21pm
| Hydro Mac skid steer. Prefer it over a tractor loader |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 2:37pm
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What are your needs for a loader? Maybe sell both and buy a payloader or telehandler? Especially if you have no need for a tractor that size, why try to make a tractor do what a payloader or telehandler is DESIGNED to do? |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 6:36pm
| a construction yeller one |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 6:53pm
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I have a quickie loader on my case 5240 100hp 4 wd. It seems to have held up well for what I am sure was an abusive loader tractor life before I bought it. But to be honest if you need a loader on something 100 hp or over and you use it more then just a little then I agree get a pay loader. Tractor loaders are ment for the oh I need to move a load of gravel to fix my road again this spring not oh I need to run a gravel pit for the next month. What I like about the loader on my case is it is totally out of the way of the front tires. Alot of the farm loaders I have seen will hit the front drive tires in a turn the frame just runs in the way. |
Posted By: cowkicker
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 7:49pm
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I have ALLIED 790 loaders on 2 8070 FWAs. Both loaders were on 7000 series ACs previously. With minimum torch work they fit on the 8000 FWAs and I still have the option to put back on the 2 wheel drive 7000 and 8000 series. Could be hard to find loaders that old though. And yes, they are tough, gotta be to survive here! |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 8:10pm
| Cowkicker, sounds like a 790 allied is what I should be in the hunt for. I do have a payloader, but it's nice to have another good loader tractor besides. I do not use a tractor loader for payloader type work. It mostly just handles round bales, like for loading them out in the field. It's much easier to road a tractor to the hayfield than a payloader. If'n the loader is pretty easy to get on and off, I can go to a hayfield, take the loader off and bale with it in the morning, and put the loader back on and bunch the bales with it in the afternoon. Neighbor does that; works well. Darrel |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 8:15pm
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Darrel if you want to take it off in the field look into these http://www.quicke.com.au" rel="nofollow - http://www.quicke.com.au I am not sure what model would fit but the one on my case 5240 workd great and it is really as easy as they say to remove and put back the entire loader boom makes it back into a field tractor. It is a great design if you take it off alot. |
Posted By: cowkicker
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 8:21pm
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Juat wondering, why would you take the loader to bale hay? |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 8:37pm
It's got to be a quick tach loader. Take the loader off when you get to the hayfield, and do the baling without the loader on. Then, before you leave the hayfield, ya un-hook the baler, put the loader back on the tractor, and bunch the bales that you just made, for easier loading when you go to haul them home in the fall. Then hook the baler back up, and move on to the next hay field. Make any sense....? Out here, hay fields can be a ways apart. Darrel |
cowkicker wrote:Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 8:39pm
| Also, if it's an alfalfa field, you do it to get the bales out of the way for the next cutting. Darrel |
Posted By: cowkicker
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 9:09pm
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Sorry, meant to ask why you take the loader "off of the tractor" to bale hay. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 9:11pm
You ever try looking around one of them things they make a much better wall then window. And that bale spike sticks way out there. |
Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 9:43pm
| I have rolled hay since 1984, many of those years rolling 5 to 6,000 rolls a year. I have never taken the loader off to roll hay or anything else, except pulling a planter. Only reason I did it then was so I had more room to turn. I personally have never seen anyone take a loader off to do hay work. Seen some off other times of the year but they put them back on before starting hay season. We have three loader tractors and it is very rare we take one off anymore. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 9:47pm
| I put a quick hitch on my d15. It has the bucket off unless I am actually using it. During the haying season it keeps the grapple on it but that is because the counter weight is a pain to take off so it stays setup for the grapple loading. But if the loader or bucket comes off easy I take then off to make it easier to get around doing field work. |
Posted By: LaJaMe
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2016 at 10:33pm
| Have a D17 with an L-200 industrial loader with front crankshaft pump. Never comes off. Converted to quick tatch for bucket and bale spear for now. Looking to add other attachments. Real workhorse. |
Posted By: caledonian
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 7:49am
| Massey 4610 FWA with Massey 931x loader. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 9:13am
| some of those loaders go on and off as fast as hooking to the draw bar, |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 9:19am
That is how it is with the quickie loaders and why I mentioned it. The only thing I don't know is if it will come off without the bucket. There are two support arms you put on by the bucket that make a 3 point support at the front so if you have a bale loader or other attachment on the loader i don't know how it would sit on the ground. But it is easy with the bucket just put the two legs on pull the two pins pick it up off the tractor frame with hydraulic controls and unhook the hydraulics all done. |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 1:07pm
| The farm I work at has a dual 3150 on a case 2096. It is a quick mount but we've only removed it once and that was to split the tractor. While the loader can be removed quickly. Putting it back on means someone has to crawl under the tractor and zip tie all the hoses back up. We bale with one of the magnums and leave the loader tractor for picking up bales. We put a bale fork on the payloader and leave it in the yard for unloading and leave the loader tractor in the field. We use a semi trailer with a four wheel rack behind and can haul 48 5x6 bales at a time. We have to use a big tractor with a dolly on the wagons since it over wide and wieght to haul with the semi. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 2:49pm
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Dad would always take the loader off his D17 to plant or drill or bale. That was when there wasn't any sort of quick attach. You get used to doing it. Chain hanging from tree branch and a couple of 4x4 the right length.......... alright it kinda blew but we did it. Used to also removed and reinstalled the snow bucket, which was built around the manure bucket, almost everyday in the winter. The snow bucket not only moved snow but was used to bucket silage through the side door into the barn. Then everyday we'd also remove the entire bucket to put on a bale spear. All this with out any quick attach. Used a couple crow bars to slide it around to line up pins and, in the case of the snow bucket, bolts. Not to mention that rascally dirt plate that took so much abuse. And remember we did that all through those blasted cold Minnesota winters! Oh and the loader was a round pipe frame Vaughn. It was a good loader for it's day. Still have it on that D17. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: BLee Mn
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 3:47pm
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Darrel, I have a QT westendorf loader on my 8050, like it a lot, only downfall is its almost impossible to get side hoods off or if you do you scratch them all up, but its a nice easy on/off ------------- Cowboy UP |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 3:53pm
| Lonn I did alot of the swap buckets on cement with the 4 pins and bars as well. What I learned from it was that if I was paying the bills I was willing to pay for the quick hitch. To me it is a case of yes it works but I would rather work smart not hard. It is much easier to drive up curl the bucket and raise it a little and it slides right onto the mount. Then get off and pull the two latches and done. Worse case you put it back down back up and move to one side and try again. Way easier then the 4 pins and man handling it with bars. Much less chance of getting hurt to when you are in the tractor seat moving the levers watching. It took two attempts to get the quick hitch right on my d15 but I am very happy I did. |
Posted By: skateboarder68
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 3:58pm
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6080 with a 460 loader and 185 with 500 loader. Have had a local blacksmith widen both buckets to 84 inches and reinforced them. He also made stands and quick attach pins for the 500 loader just like the 460. Also cut the hoses and added couplers and made it so the lift cylinders for the loader stay with the 185 even when loader is not on. Skidloader would be nice for tight spaces but hard to grind feed with one. ------------- Orange & Silver still earnin their keep on the farm: R62, Series IV D17 nf, 185, 6080, 6080 fwa, 220, 1968 D21, 7045, DT240. |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 3:59pm
hmm. this wont help much but RT100A with CVT  ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2016 at 7:13pm
| I have a Westendorf TA-46 on my 8010 2wd, and as BLee says, the side hoods are really a pain to get off and on, mine are scratched up purty good, I'd like a front gard of some sorts to protect the grill...kinda late for that now, mines got busted up... I kinda don't like the PST for loader work, to slow in reverse in slow range, to fast in high range, and the inching/clutch pedal don't work to good when "feathering" when loading bales, its either to much or not at all and I know hitting the clutch brake a lot if your rolling a bit is not good either |