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Topic: Lost another AGCO dealership...
Posted By: CrestonM
Subject: Lost another AGCO dealership...
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2016 at 7:21pm
Livingston Machinery in Stillwater, OK. A buddy and I were there a couple weeks ago looking around at all the brand new pink (faded) Massey tractors, and everything else they had. I got 2 quarts of PO #1 while I was there. Next thing I knew, I was driving by and all the tractors are gone and the signs are all gone!



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Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2016 at 7:46pm
Sorry to say this , but that's Agco,s plan to delete the guys not in top farming , corn and beans farming , and they want to cater to the BIG TIME OPERATORS,, 


Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2016 at 9:24pm
Such a poor business plan. You have to put the stuff out there to market it and sell it and you should have good customer support. I t doesn't matter if they  don't care much about the little guy, they wont even get the big guys the way they are. The big guy who buys new wants a dealer with equipment on the lot so when a big new tractor has a computer glitch or a major breakdown they can get another one out there until its fixed and sometime if the dealer is lucky he makes a sale in the process. Idea applies to any equipment from planting to harvest, sometimes you just cant afford downtime the way things are now. 


Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2016 at 11:59pm
I thought Livingston was a pretty big dealer with several stores.  They advertise in the Rocky Mtn. Fastline mag. 
Just saw something online about Kubota having a big dealer meeting in Texas last week.  They claim to have 1,100 dealers in the US and Canada.  Seems like that may be more then even JD.  Plus they now have up to 170 HP tractors, bought into Great Plains, and have a haying line.  With their construction machines, they have most everything a farmer would want except articulated tractors, so far, at least.


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Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 5:07am
One of the neighbors bought a new kobota up around 100 hp. They have a dealership here in town. Saw it going by yesterday on the road it looked nice. Atleast it is the right color. I haven't looked at the modern ones but the old kobota tractors from the 70s look like they where built a little light to me. I like alot of heavy cast ion per hp. Then I know I have the mass to handle the load. A d15 or d17 is twice the tractor as those little kobota tractors with the same hp just put them or a scale and it will show you. Lol. Years ago they had a add which said buy a kobota we have the highest power to weight ratio. I was at a friends house when it came on. He just started laughing and said have they ever gone to a tractor plow day we all stack all the weight we can on them not make them lighter. It's a tractor not a race car.
But if I had the money I would probably go there and look simply because there is a dealership here. Hunting for parts does get old.


Posted By: bryani289swmi
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 6:52am
A friend of mine just had his Kubota dealership terminated here in Michigan after more than 30 years. They want all big dealerships like JD and the rest of them. I have had several Kubotas over the years and liked them. Turned into an ugly situation, sounds like a few of the other Michigan small dealerships are worried about getting the ax too. My buddy is now Yanmar, as will be my next hydro type tractor. Thanks.

Bryan

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Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 7:42am
Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

One of the neighbors bought a new kobota up around 100 hp. They have a dealership here in town. Saw it going by yesterday on the road it looked nice. Atleast it is the right color. I haven't looked at the modern ones but the old kobota tractors from the 70s look like they where built a little light to me. I like alot of heavy cast ion per hp. Then I know I have the mass to handle the load. A d15 or d17 is twice the tractor as those little kobota tractors with the same hp just put them or a scale and it will show you. Lol. Years ago they had a add which said buy a kobota we have the highest power to weight ratio. I was at a friends house when it came on. He just started laughing and said have they ever gone to a tractor plow day we all stack all the weight we can on them not make them lighter. It's a tractor not a race car.
But if I had the money I would probably go there and look simply because there is a dealership here. Hunting for parts does get old.

That's because Kubotas target market is not heavy field plowing work. Never has been  They target the utility tractor market where good power to weight ratios and high maneuverability are far more important to the operator than shear deadweight mass. 

When you're making hay or doing heavy mower work or doing common farm loader tractor work a lighter more nimble but higher HP tractor is nice to have and that's their target market.   


Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 7:46am
Originally posted by Tcmtech Tcmtech wrote:

Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

One of the neighbors bought a new kobota up around 100 hp. They have a dealership here in town. Saw it going by yesterday on the road it looked nice. Atleast it is the right color. I haven't looked at the modern ones but the old kobota tractors from the 70s look like they where built a little light to me. I like alot of heavy cast ion per hp. Then I know I have the mass to handle the load. A d15 or d17 is twice the tractor as those little kobota tractors with the same hp just put them or a scale and it will show you. Lol. Years ago they had a add which said buy a kobota we have the highest power to weight ratio. I was at a friends house when it came on. He just started laughing and said have they ever gone to a tractor plow day we all stack all the weight we can on them not make them lighter. It's a tractor not a race car.
But if I had the money I would probably go there and look simply because there is a dealership here. Hunting for parts does get old.

That's because Kubotas target market is not heavy field plowing work. Never has been  They target the utility tractor market where good power to weight ratios and high maneuverability are far more important to the operator than shear deadweight mass. 

When you're making hay or doing heavy mower work or doing common farm loader tractor work a lighter more nimble but higher HP tractor is nice to have and that's their target market.   

Think that's another way of saying they are cheap built that won't stand up to normal farm use.


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 7:54am
Originally posted by Gary Burnett Gary Burnett wrote:


Originally posted by Tcmtech Tcmtech wrote:


Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

One of the neighbors bought a new kobota up around 100 hp. They have a dealership here in town. Saw it going by yesterday on the road it looked nice. Atleast it is the right color. I haven't looked at the modern ones but the old kobota tractors from the 70s look like they where built a little light to me. I like alot of heavy cast ion per hp. Then I know I have the mass to handle the load. A d15 or d17 is twice the tractor as those little kobota tractors with the same hp just put them or a scale and it will show you. Lol. Years ago they had a add which said buy a kobota we have the highest power to weight ratio. I was at a friends house when it came on. He just started laughing and said have they ever gone to a tractor plow day we all stack all the weight we can on them not make them lighter. It's a tractor not a race car.
But if I had the money I would probably go there and look simply because there is a dealership here. Hunting for parts does get old.


That's because Kubotas target market is not heavy field plowing work. Never has been  They target the utility tractor market where good power to weight ratios and high maneuverability are far more important to the operator than shear deadweight mass. 

When you're making hay or doing heavy mower work or doing common farm loader tractor work a lighter more nimble but higher HP tractor is nice to have and that's their target market.   

Think that's another way of saying they are cheap built that won't stand up to normal farm use.

Yup because those light tractors will just spin out trying to pull baler and accumulator up a hill here.


Posted By: Dale-OH
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 10:18am
I just looked on Livingstons website and appears they still have 4 locations.  I am sure there was a business reason for closing one.  I know in the early 90s dad had 3 dealerships with new equipment, then 2 and in 2003 we went to 1.  As the market and farming changed it no longer made sense to have stores every 50 mile.  Each time we closed a store it allowed us to get better at the service we could provide, we could stock a larger selection of parts and have better trained techs. 


Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 10:31am
man that makes me worry cause the two closest agco dealers to me are already an hour drive and they are very small dealers. niether one has any new combines. have to go an hour and half to see a place with new big equipment.

probably 10 case or jd dealers within an hour drive....


Posted By: Acdiesel
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 10:41am
my local AGCO dealer is about 10 minutes away and there owned by a John Deere dealer.Dead

hopefully that will be there saving grace.


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Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 11:22am
Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

 
Yup because those light tractors will just spin out trying to pull baler and accumulator up a hill here.

Without context that a totally meaningless statement.   Which model, which baler, which accumulator and what kind of hill?  Dead
 
You do understand the concept of 'Target Market' and right size tool for the job, right?
Do you try and pull 30 foot 5th wheel trailers with 1/2 ton pickups and complain about how they don't handle that work very well too?  Confused

Maybe you don't care for Kubota tractors but the fact is it's to the point now that when a guy says 'orange tractors' the majority of people think Kubota not AC. 

You guys are complaining about how your AC dealerships are shutting down while Kubota Corp is putting new ones in every week which to me that pretty much says who's popular for whatever reason they are. Wink


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 11:35am
Tcmtech I have a NH 565 baler with a holster accumulator don't know the model number off the top of my head. As to the hills there are some good ones. My d17 with pie weights will just climb some of the hills here without slipping pulling it. The same d17 wouldn't pull a full hay wagon up them behind this baler. The IH 574 I used this summer was a little more power then my d17 and had loaded tires it had no problems with the hills. My point is the kobota tractors I have seen them market as highest hp to weight ratio is a joke here I don't need more hp then my 55 hp d17 has to bale my hay but it needs every bit of mass it has to pull it up the hill so the baler and accumulator or wagon doesn't just pull it back down or spin it out. Yes I understand target marketing. I think the question is does kobota understand it? This hilly country needs good traction to pull the load up the hill not light weight tractors but they played adds here marketing how light their tractors are. In flat land yes it could be better then a heavy tractor not as much ground compaction.   But not here. That is why it was funny they didn't know how to target their adds to the area where they played them.


Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 12:46pm
Livingstons is still in Fairview, Oklahoma. Matter of fact they just bought out the Cat dealer in Enid and are moving all that stuff to Fairview. They probably closed the Stillwater store because it wasnt pulling its weight


Posted By: Hockeygoon
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 1:56pm
Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

Tcmtech I have a NH 565 baler with a holster accumulator don't know the model number off the top of my head. As to the hills there are some good ones. My d17 with pie weights will just climb some of the hills here without slipping pulling it. The same d17 wouldn't pull a full hay wagon up them behind this baler. The IH 574 I used this summer was a little more power then my d17 and had loaded tires it had no problems with the hills. My point is the kobota tractors I have seen them market as highest hp to weight ratio is a joke here I don't need more hp then my 55 hp d17 has to bale my hay but it needs every bit of mass it has to pull it up the hill so the baler and accumulator or wagon doesn't just pull it back down or spin it out. Yes I understand target marketing. I think the question is does kobota understand it? This hilly country needs good traction to pull the load up the hill not light weight tractors but they played adds here marketing how light their tractors are. In flat land yes it could be better then a heavy tractor not as much ground compaction.   But not here. That is why it was funny they didn't know how to target their adds to the area where they played them.



What?   


A Kubota MZ605 has 59.2 engine HP and has a shipping weight of 5313 pounds


A D17 has 63 engine hp and has a shipping weight of 4674 pounds.


Posted By: Leesok
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 1:58pm
The burr under my saddle with Livingston's is they never sold a new AC tractor or piece of equiptment. Yet, they were big enough to take the dealerships away from the family owned dealers that did.


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 2:25pm
Well these are the kobota tractors I see around here all the time in fact this one looks big. http://nh.craigslist.org/hvo/5815550728.html?lang=en&cc=gb" rel="nofollow - http://nh.craigslist.org/hvo/5815550728.html?lang=en&cc=gb
Those subcompact tractors might be 40hp but a d15 will mop the floor with them when it comes to pulling and controlling a load. As I said my neighbor just bought something up around 100 hp which looks nice. But to me bragging about power to weight with these subcompact tractors is funny to me.


Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 3:45pm
Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

Tcmtech I have a NH 565 baler with a holster accumulator don't know the model number off the top of my head. As to the hills there are some good ones. My d17 with pie weights will just climb some of the hills here without slipping pulling it. The same d17 wouldn't pull a full hay wagon up them behind this baler. The IH 574 I used this summer was a little more power then my d17 and had loaded tires it had no problems with the hills. My point is the kobota tractors I have seen them market as highest hp to weight ratio is a joke here I don't need more hp then my 55 hp d17 has to bale my hay but it needs every bit of mass it has to pull it up the hill so the baler and accumulator or wagon doesn't just pull it back down or spin it out. Yes I understand target marketing. I think the question is does kobota understand it? This hilly country needs good traction to pull the load up the hill not light weight tractors but they played adds here marketing how light their tractors are. In flat land yes it could be better then a heavy tractor not as much ground compaction.   But not here. That is why it was funny they didn't know how to target their adds to the area where they played them.

I follow now.  That makes sort of sense.   Thanks.  


Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 4:13pm
Part of the problem with tractor HP and gross weight is how the operator uses each.  

As I mentioned before there are many applications where a guy wants a reasonably lightweight (low ground pressure) tractor with good power such as with rotary or flail mowing or general hay/feed production. 

Where I live we are in a valley and have a considerable amount of steep hillsides that need anual  brush and weed cutting done.   Now  the thing is the flail mower we have is just a 10 foot Balser (~110 HP rated) that our old IH 560D (~70 HP @ 7500 #'s 85 inch wheel base) can drag it up and down the steepest hills all day with ease plus go in and out of most anywhere along the stream and marshy areas with it to. 
  
The problem is  at ~70 HP it has no chance in hell of doing most the heavy flail work in anything but 1st gear and in many places even that would require multiple part cut passes to pull off so we run it off the AC 7050 ( ~175HP @ ~18,000 #'s as we have it set up with a 163 inch wheelbase )  which for most of the flail work is way overkill on both size and power and it rather sucks for working in tight areas and anywhere that the soil is the least bit soft.  It's too damn big and heavy for some of the work. 

Now that's where a Kubota M125 would rule in our applications   ~125 HP ~9700 #'s with a 106 inch footprint which makes it far closer to the 560D than the AC 7050.  

As I have stated before, Kubota is not after the heavy field work market (yet) which is pretty obvious looking at their tractor lignup and relating implements to go with them. They are after the utility tractor applications and shine in those areas.  


Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 4:28pm
Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

Well these are the kobota tractors I see around here all the time in fact this one looks big. http://nh.craigslist.org/hvo/5815550728.html?lang=en&cc=gb" rel="nofollow - http://nh.craigslist.org/hvo/5815550728.html?lang=en&cc=gb
Those subcompact tractors might be 40hp but a d15 will mop the floor with them when it comes to pulling and controlling a load. As I said my neighbor just bought something up around 100 hp which looks nice. But to me bragging about power to weight with these subcompact tractors is funny to me.

Well that's because you're comparing HP to HP not physical size to physical size. 

The Kubota L4330 is a 75 inch wheelbase 3900 pound compact utility and the AC D15 is a 88 inch 7500 pound rig which an a equal wheelbase and size  comparison puts it much closer to a Kubota  M5-91 which is a ~88 inch 6900 # rig pushing 92+ HP to the D15's ~44 HP.   Wink  

Ground work wise  the  M5-91 will run out of traction before it runs out of engine where as the D15 will do the opposite and on PTO work the  M5-91 will walk all over the D15. Geek


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 4:44pm
That was kind of my point for what we do here that 40 hp tractor isn't very useful but the old 40 hp tractor was. Bragging about the hp in the subcompact made me laugh.      so like you said I end up with the 92 hp to do the job my d17 is now. Just funny how it works out. But you don't see much but the subcompact tractors and the construction equipment here everything else I think is probably shipped in per order. Most of the farms are gone here and what is left is smaller places making small square bales for horses. Some other stuff but not the way it was 30 years ago. Alot more trees and houses now.

I guess it is a case of growing up where we had different brands and we judged them all in hp. Tractors of the 50s 60s 70s and 80s it was sort of a safe bet to say if a tractor was x hp it would handle about the same equipment maybe one was a little easier or faster but about the same. Now a new one doesn't seem to fit that scale.


Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 5:17pm
No nebraska tractor tests, on the new ones, now...


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 5:24pm
Maybe shameless can setup some testing grounds....

Dave you hit the nail on the head though because those tests gave you engine pto and drawbar ratings


Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 7:29pm
I notice that when we have the  "a 190 better than the 4020" or whatever thread,
the natural weight of the A/C is usually the lighter one. They could and were ballasted up to make weight.  Sometimes the chosen Allis is thousands of pounds lighter than the
competition.
I would like to see one of these lightweight hydro-stat tractors pull a 4 bottom plow per their horsepower rating and see what happens. We don't get that sort of Nebraska test
information anymore.



Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 8:13pm
Originally posted by Dan73 Dan73 wrote:

That was kind of my point for what we do here that 40 hp tractor isn't very useful but the old 40 hp tractor was. Bragging about the hp in the subcompact made me laugh.      so like you said I end up with the 92 hp to do the job my d17 is now. Just funny how it works out. But you don't see much but the subcompact tractors and the construction equipment here everything else I think is probably shipped in per order. Most of the farms are gone here and what is left is smaller places making small square bales for horses. Some other stuff but not the way it was 30 years ago. Alot more trees and houses now.

I guess it is a case of growing up where we had different brands and we judged them all in hp. Tractors of the 50s 60s 70s and 80s it was sort of a safe bet to say if a tractor was x hp it would handle about the same equipment maybe one was a little easier or faster but about the same. Now a new one doesn't seem to fit that scale.


I grew up in similar mentalities as well but I learned to look past the common comparative points of engine power and look at realistic capacities of things when comparing one item to another.    25 HP in a 9N Ford will outwork 25 HP in a garden tractor. Ones underpowered for its size the other overpowered.  

For a few years I had a 1985 Ford F150 that I had a 460 (~400 HP propane burner too!) that I built for heavy towing with a equally built E4OD transmission behind it with the intention of it having gone into a F350 or heavier pickup and not the F150 it did. 
  
For a 1/2 ton pickup it was way overpowered, fun as hell to drive but way over powered for the weight and working capacities of the pickup itself.  
Most days if it wasn't locked  4 wheel drive it couldn't begin to put its own power to the ground which it proved pretty well when I did a burn out on some old tires just before getting new ones.   Easy burn out all the way into OD at half throttle.  Too easy and very much fit into the over powered garden tractor category. Big smile   

As of now I have a 1997 F Super duty ( ~F550  equivalent)  flatbed truck that's the  better place to put that engine and transmission combo.  Its got the heft and build to safely handle  towing things that would put that much engine power to good use but for now with the anemic stock engine it's very much in the underpowered  9N end of things.     It can easily handle physical workloads the F150 couldn't touch but dang it ain't exactly a  hammer down workhorse while doing it either. Sleepy   


Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2016 at 8:28pm
Originally posted by BrianC BrianC wrote:


I would like to see one of these lightweight hydro-stat tractors pull a 4 bottom plow per their horsepower rating and see what happens. We don't get that sort of Nebraska test
information anymore.

Then again you get into the intended design and application of the machine and does the workload fall into the intended application it was built for.  

I see the hydrostatic drive units as being best for applications where constant speed and direction changes are the priority like loader work or light tillage work that needs higher PTO power with below typical geared drive train ground speed capability such as rototilling.

Every design has it intended primary application and using a machine outside it design application largely invalidates it true capability and usefulness.    

To me using a hydrostatic drive tractor for plowing work is about as valid of test of the machines worth and ability to function as using a payloader as as field tractor.  It's not what it was built for and it won't do the job very well for very long.   
Same as taking a field tractor and putting a loader on it and trying to use it like a  commercial payloader.  It won't do the job well and it won't stand up to the workload either. 

Just because the field tractor and payloader may both have the same engines they are not the same machine nor are they directly interchangeable for applications.  Each may be able to do the others job for a while but neither will  be as efficient or as reliable.   Dead 


Posted By: Mnfarmboy
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 7:11am
Livingston in Altus, ok. also closed, my grandson worked for them, he had started a new job the day before the store closed.
Dave


Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 8:13am
Too bad about the dealer shutting down or moving. I know that leaves the local
customer base in a fix. I don't think tractor sales are doing that well, I see tractors on dealers lots for months and months. They get faded, rained on, the lawn sprinklers wash them down everyday. I have seen rust on the front grills of NH dealers workmasters. So you want a new tractor, but the first year it was stored outdoors. But maybe at least it has no scratches where rust can start. Brand new pink MF's, bahh.

As for the intended usage of a tractor, dealers may give advice, but typically the manufactures do not, so much. Yeah the brochure will show the hydro-stat mowing, then using a loader. Meanwhile there is a picture of the gearshift model pulling a disk harrow.
Why don't they just say the hydro-stat lifetime is only 400 hours when used for plowing and disking? How about if we replaced the oil twice a year, is the lifetime now 800 hours?
Selecting a tractor is now a problem because they don't make all the tractors able to do traditional tractor work.


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 8:33am
Brian you are right that they sure don't give you the sense that some tractors won't hold up to different jobs. The pay loader example is extra funny to me. My grandfather bought a Same Tiger 105 back in the 80s because the dealer told him it was perfect for the farmer with a bunker silo. It could be used in place of a bulldozer in the silo and if the field tractor running the chopper broke down it was a full backup there as well. They convinced him he would be a fool to buy a pay loader that would be able to run the chopper. So we had a 4wd tractor to do the work of a pay loader and the sad part was it was also a crap tractor. But for the cost of the 75hp IH or Case he got a 105 hp Same.
Yup sure would have been nice if the dealership told him the loader frame would probably break in a few years with all that pushing or that the standard transmission wasn't designed to be shifted every few minutes.   But they are sales guys whatever they have to sell si clearly what you need.


Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 12:45pm
The only AC related parts dealer when have in our area is the big Butler machinery dealer and by every word of the guys at the parts desk they did not want the job.  

It was some upper level decisions to take it on in our area.  No one else wanted to stake claim to Agco AC/MF and it shows in the lack of service and high markup on what parts they can get. 
If you can't fix it yourself with salvage yard parts or with what you can find and order from online sources you're boned. 


Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 1:14pm
You will just have to use the supplies and classified page here. I am sure they can get you everything you need.


Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 5:58pm
For 10 years I was a salesperson at the only dealer in KY. that sold both JD and Kubota. Rule of thumb: if a 100 Hp. JD tractor would do the job then you need a 120 Hp. Kubota to do the same work. The mechanics always said the Kubota had a Volkswagon clutch in them. I've been gone from that job for 8 yrs. now(thank goodness) and now tend my farm with a 200 and a D-17. Starting to see several new Kubotas (90-120 Hp.) around here and most farmers who buy them trade them in after 1 year for the next size bigger. Makes you wonder if they are such a good deal after all.


Posted By: Michael V (NM)
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 6:54pm
So far, Livingston Machine is still alive and well here in Dalhart TX


Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by bryani289swmi bryani289swmi wrote:

A friend of mine just had his Kubota dealership terminated here in Michigan after more than 30 years. They want all big dealerships like JD and the rest of them. I have had several Kubotas over the years and liked them. Turned into an ugly situation, sounds like a few of the other Michigan small dealerships are worried about getting the ax too. My buddy is now Yanmar, as will be my next hydro type tractor. Thanks.

Bryan


What Kubota dealer?

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Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2016 at 10:41pm
Originally posted by Ky.Allis Ky.Allis wrote:

Starting to see several new Kubotas (90-120 Hp.) around here and most farmers who buy them trade them in after 1 year for the next size bigger. Makes you wonder if they are such a good deal after all.

It not a new thing and it doesn't just happen with Kubota's or tractors in general. Ermm
They all have hope that the smaller machine will be just capable enough to barely do the work most of the time and  thus save them some money up front. 
 

I worked at a local welding supply store as a service tech and if the guys buying the Kubotas were anything like the farmers here were when buying welders and plasma cutters  they  knew what they needed then came in and bought the one model smaller  (because it would save them a few bucks) only to find out that it wasn't up to handling the job and would be back later to trade it in towards the right size machine that would do the work they needed it to  do.  Angry

It was at least a weekly occurrence.  Buy a machine rated for 1/4" steel work then find out it really sucks on 3/8" stuff and come back later and trade the undersized one in for the right one thus costing them more in the end than had they bought the bigger one to begin with.   Cry

Given that I can totally see people buying a 80 HP tractor when they need a 100+ and coming back later to trade the 80 for a the 100+ happen. It'snot just a Kubota thing. It's a every manufactures thing.  



Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2016 at 8:46am
Who has the longest drive to their dealer?

Imagine it is already a 100 mile trek to your small Kubota dealer.
Then they get the corporate boot. Now you have to deal with the big dealer
200 miles away. That is bad bad news. Remember when every small town had
three tractor dealers?  And tractors are just a part of it, I have spend more for implements
in the last 5 years than for tractors. And even a small dealer is good for that.





Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2016 at 12:17pm
Originally posted by BrianC BrianC wrote:

Who has the longest drive to their dealer?

Imagine it is already a 100 mile trek to your small Kubota dealer.
Then they get the corporate boot. Now you have to deal with the big dealer
200 miles away. That is bad bad news. Remember when every small town had
three tractor dealers?  And tractors are just a part of it, I have spend more for implements
in the last 5 years than for tractors. And even a small dealer is good for that.

~12 miles and I used to work there and they are a primary dealer and service center so they won't be getting shut down anytime soon.   Wink  
Now that the drunk little troll they had running the service center is gone I have often considered reapplying for a job there. LOL

As for small town that depends on what you define as s small town.   Most anything in this area with a population of over 1500 has at least one implement dealership that caters to various brands outside their primary one.   

If I wanted to spend the money the nearest small town (~1200 people)  implement dealership and service center would be happy to work on my 1940's AC M crawler for me.   It may not be their brand but they work on other stuff too. Wink   


Posted By: timr
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2016 at 11:46am
I'm 25 miles from a Massey dealer, CIH dealer, New Holland dealer, 2 Mahindra dealers and surrounded by 3 big Deere dealers. I've seen a couple new Massey or Challengers around but Deere dominatest around here with probably 90% of the equipment being theirs. I know people though who are running to all those stores and more to track down parts during a breakdown which still takes up alot of time. Last week on my way home I was surprised to see a S77 Gleaner in a field. The nearest Gleaner dealership to where that farm was would be over an hour.


Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2016 at 11:54am
Originally posted by Mnfarmboy Mnfarmboy wrote:

Livingston in Altus, ok. also closed, my grandson worked for them, he had started a new job the day before the store closed.
Dave

You're kidding!!!! That was our closest dealer, and it was 50 miles away! Crap... They'd always been an Allis dealer until Livingston took them over. Grandpa said they sold a lot of Gleaners at the Altus dealership back in the day. 
Now we get to go 70 miles to Livingston in Chickasha.  Ugh...


Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2016 at 11:58am
Originally posted by BrianC BrianC wrote:

 Remember when every small town had
three tractor dealers? 

A friend of  mine said a town about 10 miles from us had: JD, A-C, MM, MF, Oliver, Ford, and probably a couple others all within a few miles of each other! 

There's also a rumor that when the MM dealership burned, a propane MM was inside with the fuel on (Magneto tractor). He said the fire heated the engine up, caused the propane in the engine to combust, the tractor started (in gear) and drove itself out of the dealership on melted tires. 

Not sure how plausible that is, but that's the rumor. 


Posted By: joe
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2016 at 7:44pm
So by the sounds of it, the good news is that AGCO didn't shut them down. The bad news is that the area is now without an AGCO dealership. 
As for the mindless banter about Kubota. If it was really that crappy of product, would they continue to gain ground? The tractors aren't typically sold for field work. You find me a John Deere made today that is as heavy as a Deere built 50 years ago. Kubota is no different. Most people don't want a 10000lb 80hp tractor to clean their barn out and pick up bales. No longer is a 50hp tractor a main field tractor.
 ADD TO THAT, I've never thought of the D15, 190 or 200,etc as heavy tractors.  Look up the Nebraska test for the D17 gas and a Kubota M5030. simliar HP but the Kubota weighs more w/o ballast. 


Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2016 at 10:57pm
I'm not positive, but I think there are more Kubota dealers in Colorado then any other brand.  With the Case/NH dealership in northern Colo loosing the NH line, people have to drive near a hundred miles for parts.  Supposed to be an other dealer taking up NH but that was supposed to happen over a month ago.  A salesman at the dealership told me the Kubota line they sold had much better prices, financing and less customer complaints then Ford.  He really misses the NH haying line though, going to push the Case and Kubota brands more now.  I think the CaseIH haying equipment is NH painted red anyway but they don't have bale wagons or big balers.

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Posted By: timr
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 11:51am
Originally posted by JohnCO JohnCO wrote:

I'm not positive, but I think there are more Kubota dealers in Colorado then any other brand.  With the Case/NH dealership in northern Colo loosing the NH line, people have to drive near a hundred miles for parts.  Supposed to be an other dealer taking up NH but that was supposed to happen over a month ago.  A salesman at the dealership told me the Kubota line they sold had much better prices, financing and less customer complaints then Ford.  He really misses the NH haying line though, going to push the Case and Kubota brands more now.  I think the CaseIH haying equipment is NH painted red anyway but they don't have bale wagons or big balers.

They're the same company now and have been for 15 years. The tractors are built in the same plants. CNH have a large parts distribution center an hour north of me.


Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 11:41pm
I know they are the same company but they have different management for the brands. The Ford/New Holland group pulled the dealership from G & M Equipment with three stores in Northern Colorado.  The Case/IH group is still happy with G & M.  I heard from a salesman that F/NH was unhappy because they weren't selling enough tractors, even tho they were the biggest NH hay equipment dealer in the state.  They took on Kubota maybe 15 years ago and sell two or three times more Kubota's as they do Case/NH-F/NH.  Now that Kubota has bigger tractors, I suspect they will sell even more unless Fiat decides to make better deals on their machines.

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