what makes this one rare
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Topic: what makes this one rare
Posted By: acd21man
Subject: what makes this one rare
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2016 at 6:32pm
 i know yall love green so who can tell me what makes this 4040 john deere rare and how many was built ?? ps i have new fenders for it and all the shelds ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2016 at 6:41pm
| What makes it rare? It still runs. |
Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2016 at 6:42pm
| Looks like an orchard model. John Deere didn't make many orchard models in the 30 and 40 series. Green guy pay good money for that tractor. My neighbor has 2 4230 orchard models and has had guys call from all over trying to buy them. He still farms with them. |
Posted By: LSilseth
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2016 at 6:43pm
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Low-profile and no cab. ------------- MN FARM BOY Luke www.silsethfamilyfarm.com |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2016 at 7:42pm
| I don't know but if it is rare and runs I say let someone else own it and buy a couple of orange ones to keep that 170 company. Best looking part of the photo if you ask me. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2016 at 7:45pm
Pretty witty for a youngen, Creston. I like that. Darrel |
CrestonM wrote:Posted By: BigBadAllis
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 7:31am
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Looks like a self modded cab removal and lowered with smaller tires. Note the operators station and small fenders. Jason |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 8:13am
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It looks like the 4post canopy was removed. I don't see anything rare about it. Most 4040s had 34 inch rear tires. ------------- When someone tells you Nothings Impossible, Tell them to slam a revolving door |
Posted By: BenGiBoy
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 8:17am
Maybe the fact that it is staring the Allis 170 in the face and not budging? Most of them would have 'run' off by now.   ------------- '39 Model B Tractors are cheaper than girls, remember that! |
Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 10:40am
| The tool box on the side makes it rare |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 1:45pm
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no you guys crack me up lol.. but the tractor is a powershift open station 4040 they made 400 of them maybe less then 400 i dont know and it has 30s not 34 ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 3:05pm
| What makes most of the John Deere's rare is the ability to type the word (RARE) when advertising it. |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 4:54pm
 tthis is it before i took the fender off ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 5:25pm
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Sorry, still looks like green crap. ....... ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 5:39pm
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So you asked a question with the answer being about the transmission but the one photo you showed didn't show the shifter. That is typical jd. They must have been really good if they only made 400 of them I think that would make it something I really wouldn't want a tractor so bad even jd stopped making them. |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 6:28pm
| Nice tractor, ran the neighbors several times and worked good. Never seen one of them like this though. Thanks for posting pictures of it. |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 7:20pm
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dan i was really just showing the tractor. i didnt expect anyone to know anything about it. and they built the powershift from maybe 64?? to i think 92 so there wasnt just 400 built. there was 400 of this combination built what makes it odd is the combination of being a fender tractor and powershift ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 7:25pm
| Well it does look pretty for a green tractor and it has a normal motor not that shake you off the tractor motor so it is probably a good ride if you can afford to fix it when it breaks... |
Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 7:42pm
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My uncle bought a 4040 new in I think 81 or 82. 4post quad range. It was his big tractor for many years, til he got the 4430 with a cab. After that he wondered how he got along without the cab in the winter. Raised 11 kids on 200 acres milking 70-80 head. ------------- When someone tells you Nothings Impossible, Tell them to slam a revolving door |
Posted By: VAfarmboy
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 9:34pm
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A 4040 is nothing but a 4230 with the screw turned back so it only makes 90HP and different stickers on the hood. It has the same 404 engine, same Roosa Master injecton pump and everything. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2016 at 7:50am
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Not exactly the same Roosa pump as a 4230, but yes, it is very similar, only a few different parts, and about 4cc fuel difference. A 4040 is a neat little tractor, and the one you have here is a pretty cool combination, fender tractor with PS. I like it! I put quite a few hours on a 4040 years ago, but it was a cab/quad range tractor.
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2016 at 8:09am
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So does it have the 8 or 12 speed power shift? Basically an updated 4020. I think it'll make a nice tractor for you. It's hard to knock that 404 engine and powershift. Maybe not be the BEST or smoothest shift (Trying to keep from getting a virtual pitchfork in the gut) but a nice all around tractor. What size tires are on the back? They look small. Like 28's that the Allis's had??? LOL PS at lease when you push in the foot clutch the tractor stops, but the PTO doesn't AND you can put in it park and walk away. Ok I'm dead.... What makes it rare? It's on the AC forum |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2016 at 8:18am
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power-shift on the 40 series is still 8 speed. The 15 speed came with the 50 series. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2016 at 10:20am
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ya ed is right they had the 8 speed from the 20s to the 40 and went to the 50,55 they had a 15 speed allis dave i loved that the tires are 30s ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2016 at 4:54pm
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Wasn't the 4040 A non turbo engine? Can't remember..... ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2016 at 5:17pm
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Let's see...Allis turbo-ed the D19, and they came out in 1961, so (add 30 years) John Deere should've came out with a turbo tractor around 1991. That makes this tractor too old for a factory turbo. Lol
That is...following the widely accepted theory John Deere has always been 30 years behind everyone else.
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2016 at 6:17pm
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While Deere is always behind the 8 ball, the 4520 was their first turbo'd row crop farm tractor, and it was released in 69 I think. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2016 at 7:20pm
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About 1969 Deere came out with two turbo'd tractors, one with intercooler, and one without intercooler. I think 4320 without and 4620 with. I am hundreds of miles from my I&T manual that covers them. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 7:59am
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4620 had an intercooler, not sure about a 4320. 4520 had no intercooler. the 404 is such a monster it didn't NEED a turbo to make 90HP for a 4040 
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Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 2:58pm
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The 4520 came out in 69, straight turbo-charged. They had so many problems with them that shortly after, the 4520 was replaced with the 4620 with an intercooler, and slightly more hp, and the 4320 was released then too straight turbo-charged, and slightly less hp than the 45. 45 & 46 were available with power-shift, the 43 was not. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: jwal10
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 1:09pm
| Thanks for showing the pictures. Really like Son's 4040, Cab, P.S. with FWA. We are in row crop country here, 13.6x38 tires. Are those 9.5x15 front tires? I have heard about the utility model, just never seen one. Have had a lot of JDs from the 20 to 40 series. At one time I had 4840, 4640 and 2 4440's, had to cut back and farmed with 4240's for years. Had to get out of farming in '92 because of my health, went to work for a small city in water department before I had to take early retirement for health reasons. Sold most of the land, kept a 2550 mfwd with cab and a 2520. Now Son is farming. I have bought several to fix up and play with, 4000 and a 3020, both P.S....James |
Posted By: VAfarmboy
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2016 at 2:10am
John Deere just lets everyone else do their R&D for them.  The 4040 did not come with a turbo. You could bolt on a M&W turbo kit and turn the screw and hang some weights on it she will pull anything a 4430 will. But with with a smaller radiator she will run hotter on hot days and with the smaller fuel tank you will be making more trips to the pump. Deere figured out that a lot of guys were doing this so shortly after the 4050 came out they started putting a smaller (359) turbocharged engine in it rather than a natural aspirated version of the 466 that powered the larger tractors so you couldn't bolt on a turbo and have a size larger tractor. |