6 Bolt wheels on "D" series ???
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Topic: 6 Bolt wheels on "D" series ???
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Subject: 6 Bolt wheels on "D" series ???
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2016 at 4:29pm
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When did Allis start putting 6 bolt front wheels on the "D" series ??? D15 II year and serial # ? D17 Year and serial # ? Update: D15 S/N 22414 and up (which is mid year 1966) came with 6 bolt wheels, Per AGCO "on line" parts book. This info is analogous with our forum member input. Thanks Fellas D17 S/N not clarified or accurate for this topic in the AGCO "on line" parts book. D17 or D17IV. Anyone have a hard copy of the parts book. Maybe it will have accurate S/N info on this subject. ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
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Posted By: ctbowles 58
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2016 at 5:30pm
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The only ones I ever seen with 6 bolt wheels were on series 4 D17s. We have a 1966 Series 2 D15 and it has 5 bolt wheels. |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2016 at 5:35pm
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My 66 D15 II has 6 bolt front hubs. There is no serial number break for this change. Late 1965 and 1966 seems to be the time that they switched to 6 bolts based on my research. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2016 at 5:38pm
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My 66 D15II is my latest and the only one I have with 6. 65 D17DIV has 5 bolt, 66 gas has 6. |
Posted By: redowns
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2016 at 7:25pm
| I have a series IV D17 serial# 82057 that came with 5 bolt hubs. I changed it to 6 bolt about 10 years ago. Also have serial#'s 85049 & 88695 and they both had 6 bolt hubs went I bought them. Hope that helps. |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2016 at 11:45pm
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My 66 D15II has 5 bolt hubs. My uncle has a 67 D15II, it has 5 bolt hubs as well. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: irlbeck A-C'S
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2016 at 5:32am
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My 65 and 66 series 4's have 5 bolt hubs. My 67 has 6 bolt. I have not found a serial reference showing when the change was made. From what i have noticed the change looks to have been made sometime in 66 for the 17's ------------- B,C,CA,(2)WC's,(4)WD's,(2) WD45'S, 45Diesel, (2)D12'S Series 2, D12 Hiclear,(2)D12 Series 3, HD3, D17NF (3)D17 Series 4 Diesels, M-100 Grader,8550,A few Lawn tractors lots of other AC stuff |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2016 at 3:23pm
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Sometime in 1966 seems to be the change to the 6 bolt. However lets keep searching for printed information that supports this finding. ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2016 at 3:38pm
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according to parts book D17 hub and wheel change at serial #42001 prior looks to be 5 bolt, later is 6 bolt by picture ------------- Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20 Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15 |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2016 at 4:11pm
I have a 63 D17III that is serial number 68048D that has 5 bolt hubs. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
CAL(KS) wrote:Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2016 at 4:54pm
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Serial # 42001 is the first series III in 1962 and cannot be correct for 5 bolt to 6 bolt change. As there are many tractors above that serial number with 5 bolt front wheels. Confirms another inaccuracy in our parts books. :-) Lets keep searching. ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 7:51pm
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Still searching ? ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 8:09pm
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Not to start a war, but I am not convinced the D15II originally came with 6 bolt hubs. We have two in our family that don't. My dad bought the 67 D15II in 73 and later sold it to his brother so we know most of its history. I bought mine from the estate of the original owner. ??? ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 8:21pm
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OK, I have to ask WHY the change from 5 to 6 ? Curious, just curious... Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 8:52pm
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I have a 64 D-17 Ser IV and a 64 D-15 Ser II and they both have 5 bolt hubs . Not sure why the change from 5 to 6 bolts , little stouter maybe . Have also seen the brake latch on the D-17 SerIV and the Ser II D-15 being different on some. Newer models have the ratchet style and older have the pie shaped brake hold .thought it had to do with snap coupler vs factory 3 point but have seen all combinations .Imagine as the new parts came they would use the old ones first .Maybe even find a box of parts during a run and throw them in the mix . ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 8:53pm
The very late production of the D15 did have the six bolt fronts. ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 8:56pm
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Both of my series II D15's have 6 bolt hubs. My series I has 5 bolt. ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 9:22pm
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Have a very original 1967 D-15 II with 6 bolt fronts. Also a 1966 D-17 IV D with 6 bolt fronts ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: David G.
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 9:36pm
| My early series 2 D15 has 5 bolt hubs. |
Posted By: ctbowles 58
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 9:43pm
| Just a thought, do you think maybe they changed and put 6 bolt hubs on when a loader was put on the tractor? |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2016 at 9:48pm
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They were on all of them after 66 , Imagine most were being used with loaders so they beefed them up .Does anyone know of 5 bolt hubs that were a problem with a loader ? Always thought they were plenty strong , an engineer must have thought different . ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 12:19am
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My 66 is serial number 21883 with 5 bolt hubs. Curious of the serial numbers of 66 tractors with 6 bolt hubs. This may tighten down the break from 5 to 6. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 7:15am
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Dad use to crack the wheels using a loader on his '61 D17 with 5 bolts. His fix was to put heavy duty pickup snow tires on it and he never broke another wheel. If that hadn't worked I imagine he would have either traded to something newer or switched over to a 6 bolt hub. The 5 bolt wheels were a problem with loader work. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 7:34am
| Can a WD45 be switch to a 6 bolt hub? |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 7:55am
| Pat dad had a loader on his WD45 for 20+ years, narrow front, never broke a wheel. I broke 1 on his 58 D17 with wide front mowing hay. heard it popping when I came in for supper. My series 4 diesel has 6 bolt wheels ssn 88427. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 8:15am
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The strength of a rim depends on the thickness of the steel and the number of bolts. In a 2013 Shoup catalog ( http://www.shoupparts.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.shoupparts.com ) 15 x 5 rims are rated at 1800 pounds for both 5 and 6 bolt centers. 15x 6 rime are rated at 1800 pounds for 5 bolt and 3300 pounds for 6 bolt. In my vintage Baum Hydraulics catalog ( http://www.baumhydraulics.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.baumhydraulics.com ) section F there are few rims, 15x6 5 bolt are rated at 2200 pounds and 15x6 6 bolt are rated at 3300 pounds. Both of these companies sell a fairly large selection of hubs. If I wanted to change a hub from 5 to 6 I would determine the Timken part numbers for the bearings and look for hubs with the same bearings and bearing spacing or the same spindle dimensions. I know when I broke a hub on my 2000 plow that both Shoup and Baum Hydraulics had a hub that fit. I believe that Allis engineers would have bought stock hubs rather than fabricate them since they seemed to have done that with engines in early tractor production and likely the front rims were standard (and there is an SAE standard for implement rims) implement rims that they could buy from multiple sources easier than they could make them. I know the rims on my MF-135 and that came with my 4020 were standard implement rims. I have 11.00-16 on the 4020 to protect the spindles from plow furrows and to give better support with a loader where the tall wide tires don't smash holes in soft ground like the stock tires did. It is possible to buy custom rims today, places like Miller Tire, Gemplers, Wold, Unverforth, and the rim shop at the coop in Radcliffe, Iowa. They probably can make a 5 bolt rim stronger than the standard 5 bolt rim but the number of bolts could be a limit on the maximum possible rim load rating. Its likely that the tire size needs to go bigger to really increase the front end load rating and then the spindles may be the weak part with 6 volt rims and hubs. I'd think the latest part lists for the D15 would show whether the 6 bolt hubs used the same spindles as the 5 bolt hubs and what serial number they were changed, unless for some time period the 6 bolt rims were buyer options. Gerald J. |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 8:20am
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I have a D15II that is from the last year of production that has the 6 bolt front hubs. It is possible that in earlier years that tractors could have been ordered with a HD front axle that would have had the 6 bolt front hubs.
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Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 9:43am
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According to Agco parts book, the serial number break is 22414 from 5 to 6 bolt hubs on D15 series II. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 10:54am
Anyone know if it was standard after that or was it an option? ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 11:06am
I would guess standard judging from the breakdown I saw. Personally, I would rather have the 6 bolt hubs and wheels. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 1:11pm
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Are they just D17 hubs on a 15 front end or has anyone noticed anything else different from a six lug front to five lug. Didn't know if they made them with an extra support or anything for strength. ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 7:37pm
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Update at top. ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: WD45
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 7:43pm
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Have 2- D15 series II gas with 5 bolt and one D15 series II with 6 bolt. Also have two D17 series IV gas has 5 bolt while the diesel has 6 bolt. ------------- Fred Dunlop, G,B,CA, WC,WF, 3 WD45`s,gas, diesel and LP,U,D10 series III, D12,D14,D15 SERIES II,D17 Series IV in Gas and Diesel ,D19 GAS and D21,170 185,210 ,220 an I-600 8070 fwd, 716H and 1920H |
Posted By: CALEBnOK
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2016 at 9:38pm
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Just to ad this since they are a D series. The early d21's have 6 bolt hubs instead of 8 bolt. Another interesting hub senario. We have acorrding to the parts book the first UC to have 5 bolt hubs or 6. I cant remember which just found it neat. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 15 Sep 2016 at 8:37am
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This was put to bed years ago, it might help you guys out, the D15II, D17VI tractors at a ser # might be ordered with the 5 or 6 bolt hubs just like wide, narrow fronts, lift hitch, spin-out rear wheels, lights, PD or tripe of tires,on and on down a list and it was just one of a long list of things your dealer put on the order list at the time tractor was ordered. So you might see a 5 bolt hub on a tractor built after that ser# if a tractor built with a 6 bolt hub.
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