John Deere is so innovative!!!
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Topic: John Deere is so innovative!!!
Posted By: CrestonM
Subject: John Deere is so innovative!!!
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 3:51pm
I can't believe no one else ever thought of it! This late 30's John Deere No.6 combine has a cross mount threshing mechanism! How ingenious!! Crop goes from the header, makes a 90 degree turn, then exits out the side! Truly one of a kind  And you know they didn't copy anybody because that's so unlike Deere!! http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q8nHwHN_QcA&feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q8nHwHN_QcA&feature=youtu.be |
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Posted By: tomstractorsandtoys
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 4:55pm
| Hate to say it but Deere is still in the tractor business and Allis is not. I like Allis but much prefer my Deere tractors. Compare a 190 to a 4020. Why didn't the 190 have a fully independent pto? I like the rest of the 190 but we do way to much pto work to put up with the no independent pto. Dad bought a new 4020 and Grandfather bought a new 190XT. Tom |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 5:14pm
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That's true. You can also pull start a 4020. Allis made some mistakes in the last years, especially during the economic recession. My grandpa said he took a tour of the Deere factory in the mid 1980's. He said they had one new tractor on the show room floor to show what their newest product was, but the factory had ceased manufacturing farm equipment, and was manufacturing trailer houses, of all things. They were smart in that they hunkered down and waited for the storm to pass, while meanwhile, A-C keeps pushing the envelope with new designs and better "high tech" machines. They should've just slowed down a little.
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 6:13pm
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And a 190 will pull a 4020 thru its own ahole. How many tractors don't have a turbo on them today ? Who was behind there ? To each there own but like my dad always said by an AC and a piece of ground. For the price of a Deere. See how that works out in the end. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 6:16pm
That thing looks like an AC bolted together backwards...
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Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 6:28pm
| why do you have to ruin my day....just mentioning that colored chit? wait til I see you agin! |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 9:49pm
Well...that tractor don't have much color on it 'cept brown rust! And the combine is just galvanized, so no color there either! Lol
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shameless (ne) wrote:Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 9:50pm
Yeah! Lol! Left hand bolts too I bet lol
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 9:53pm
Yeah, A-C invented/refined a lot of things that were later industry standards, like the turbo, round baler, electro-magnetic clutches on combines/cotton strippers, power adjust rims, etc.
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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2016 at 10:06pm
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In the same years as the side console 4020 beginning 1969 Deere sold the 4320 and 4520, both turbo charged. 4320 without intercooler, 4520 with intercooler between the turbo and the intake manifold. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 5:43am
I grew up Green but today when I compare my Massey 1100 to a 4020 I wonder why Deere outsold Massey 10:1. Paint them both the same color and the Massey is a nicer, more innovative tractor than the Deere, IMO. Deere certainly did (and still does) a great job of marketing. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 6:05am
I guess that makes them the Walmart of the tractor world,selling the most doesn't add up to being the best a lot of the time. |
Posted By: Trinity45
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 6:51am
| Never ran a 190 but ran several 4020's and I would not trade my 185 for any of them when it comes to round baling. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 7:18am
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JD 4520's didn't have an intercooler. The 4620 and 7020's did. I spent a lot of time running both those tractors. I believe the 4620 was the first tractor to have an intercooler. Some 4520's could have been retrofitted. A 4020 didn't need a turbo to make it's STOCK 90HP. You had a 404 vs a 301. In their stock form HP is almost the same, all else aside. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 7:19am
Hmmm....maybe the actual 1100 Massey. Opinions are funny how they ebb and flow. I bought an Allis 7045, guess about 6 1/2 years ago now, and it turned out to be a pig in a poke. I've got it working pretty good now, but during one of it's lengthy shop stays, I REALLY needed a tractor and considered a Massey 1175. Nice looking tractor, nice cab, etc. Anyway, posed the question on a different forum (frequented by many Canadians) of what to look for in that 1175. The resounding answer was basically "Run don't walk" and "That series tractor in the higher HP models single handedly ran Massey out of the tractor business in North America". Incidentally, borrowed a friend's JD 4320 for the task, and it performed great! His family has had that tractor since new, and no troubles really ever. |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 7:24am
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I attach a sketch of a tractor. Can anyone identify brand/model? After a few opinions I will let you know where I found the sketch.  |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 7:27am
| I remember a few years after buying my 7010 new, I was plowing all night and on the way home stopped at a gas station to get me sum smokes, a couple farmers was in there having coffee, one said to me "must be starting to go out this morning huh"? I said nope, been out all night plowing. he said "BS...your clean"...I said well yeah....I have a cabbed tractor! he then said he don't stay clean in his cabbed tractor. he had a green one with one of them rounded front cabs, don't know what number it was). I told him to close his windows! he got red faced and said he don't run with them open! I just shrugged my shoulders and said I don't know what to tell ya then and walked out! |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 7:31am
That's pretty funny!
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 7:34am
Well, to me the steering column/dash area looks like 7000 series A-C. However, everything in front of that looks like Deere to me.
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Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 8:06am
The 190 XT is about the best tractor to large round bale with I've used when I made the bales just put the power director in neutral and tie the bale,kick the bale out,then slightly edge forward with the power director to let the tailgate of the baler have room to come down and then take off.The PTO stops and starts hydraulically so that makes easy to do when I was kicking the bale out.Never had to touch the gear shift. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 10:14am
That's what I was thinking. Not sure about the fenders.....I remember my ol' Massey had square top fenders like that. And others do too. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 10:16am
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Allis cab....well, the dang door don't open wide enough to let the dust in! Hahaha! I get plenty dirty in mine, since the air don't work, and trying to keep the door open in the field to keep from dying in the heat ended up breaking the door off. Sad day there. |
Posted By: bigredisb
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 10:31am
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I love Deere's latest innovation of the 9rx 4wd tractor. The slogan they used at launch was "Innovation not Imitation". Some videos going around of our (I work for Case IH) Steiger QuadTrac pulling that 9rx around by its ass in circles. Just like they reinvented the rotary combine and on and on.... |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 10:50am
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That old combine is kind of an interesting idea, must not have made many, never seen a picture of one before. Remember, JD made a baler that set the bales out the side, what kind of "better idea" was that? In 1976, I took a tour of the Waterloo, IA JD plant. They were building 4430's that day except on a small production line in the same plant they were producing heads for 2 cylinder tractors. A few years later a buddy took me through the Cat big crawler plant in Pioria, (SP) they were making track pads on a side production line - for JD! ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 10:59am
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Deere may not make the best tractors but they are best in marketing the product just as Harley Davidson may not make the best motorcycles but they are best at making you think they are. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 11:00am
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The A-C PTO was a heck of a lot handier for a lot of stop and go PTO work than anybody else's. For constant forward and reverse work they were not the best for sure. We had a late 190XT, neighbors had 1100 Massey, 856, and 4020. We had no more (and no less) troubles with our XT than any of them except the poor guy with the Massey and their POS multi power. The XT would ( I like how ILLGleaner said it, LOL) out work any of them any day of any week in the field. |
Posted By: bigredisb
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 11:21am
Well said! |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 12:17pm
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Ok, that illustration of the Tractor was from the Merriam-Webster online dictionary. Pretty clever of them to make it grey scale to avoid tractor color flame war, and also not identifiable as to brand. A non-offensive illustration of an ag tractor. Imagine if, under definition of Tractor, they showed a John Deere? Ha that would stir a hornets nest. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 2:04pm
I want to see that!!
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Posted By: bigredisb
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 3:11pm
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Hopefully this link will work. I cant find the video anywhere but on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bos.bezuidenhout/posts/10206995075863950 |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2016 at 4:27pm
Absolutely. When it comes to Masseys you need to shop carefully. I've looked at a few other since I bought my 1100 and have found the same thing you did. My 1100 has been super, the later ones seem to be nothing I'd be interested in. On the 4320 comment, we had one of those when I was growing up. To this day it's probably favorite tractor, well...maybe #2 after my D17. If I could find a reasonably priced 4320 today I'd own one in a heartbeat. But we all know there is no such thing as a reasonably priced 4320. That was a major over achiever.
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Posted By: combinechris
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 1:33pm
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Don't forget the John Deere 12/12A combine is an Allis Chalmers model 60 prototype. ------------- 35 combines and 15 forage harvesters. mostly allis combines and equipment.WTB 2 row cornhead for a 90 |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 7:03pm
I love telling people that! Especially green guys!
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Posted By: nickia
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 9:59pm
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i dont know why every one didnt like allis tractors when they talk about live pto i do justlike the one guy said just throw the power director in nutral and there you go? i find it rather handy on a square baler to just push in on the clutch if the pick up plugs i find that system a lot handier \
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Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2016 at 11:24pm
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Nick, that is why I love my old XT, like when I was round baling and was pushing hard, (I've slowed up over the years) and baling in third gear high and the round baler decided to plug, all I had to do was step on that clutch and step on the brakes and everything was stopped... wasn't busy trying to find a pto knob or lever somewhere. And with the hydraulic pto, you can start it and shut it off ON THE GO. and if you want to stop, use the hand clutch... on the 200 allis, they were much more jumpy if you didn't engage them right. as for the 190XT vs 966 or a 4020, it didn't burn near the fuel the other two did... neighbor was putting 7 gallons an hour through his 966 and I was putting 2 1/2 and getting about the same work done. I wished allis would have put a fifth gear in it or had put a third spd in the power director, or put a 2spd range box in it and that would have given it a better selection of gears and a good road gear.. like 18-20 mph. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2016 at 7:31am
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Dad scrapped through the 1980's by custom baling hay with his 190XT and 1500 Gehl. On smooth fields he'd go in 4th low (7th gear). He had the hydraulically actuated PTO. Wore a pair of Firestone Deep Tread smooth running all over the countryside. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |