B part number 208014 curtain?
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Topic: B part number 208014 curtain?
Posted By: Jonny B 1938
Subject: B part number 208014 curtain?
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2016 at 11:16pm
| I have a 1938 Allis B and had a question about my grille. My parts book shows that my tractor came with a grille curtain # 208014, I found some info elsewhere that states it was an olive drab duck cloth material but no further info. Can someone tell me how this part looked and worked? I have seen something like this on JD unstyled tractors but not sure what the Allis B one looked or operated like. Does anyone have some further info on the missing parts? Thanks Jon. |
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Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 5:45am
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Is this what your looking for? It's a basic curtain that has a heavy wire sewn into it top and bottom to hold it in place with the round hole at each corner of the grill screen. 
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Posted By: rasman57
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 5:57am
| That is neat! Never saw one before. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 6:01am
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I've seen them for an unstyled WC but never a B. On the WC it had top and bottom small metal frames with leaf spring type clips on each side of the frames that held on to the side of the radiator. Peterson Implement had a NOS one sitting in the shop on a shelf when I was working there back in the early 90's. Nobody gave it much thought on it's value back then. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 7:08am
| What is that curtain for? |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 7:09am
| If your early B did not have the 4 little holes at the 4 corners of the grill opening this was normal. The real early Bs without temp gauges had no coolant temp controls to speak of. The Canvas Curtains came along later to warm the engine in freezing weather. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 7:11am
I may be wrong, but isn't that what the shutters were for?
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Ken in Texas wrote:Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 7:33am
| My grandfather had put screen on the grills of the D-15 and D-17. When your brush hogging all you have to do is sweep of the screen. Saves the radiator from getting filled up. He took mechanics wire and poked it through and bent it over. Worked good. Some times all it took was going to idle or shutting it down, and the stuff would fall off |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 7:51am
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Yes Creston. The curtain did what the shutters do BEFORE Bs had shutters. Bs were in a constant state of evolving improvements over all the 20 years of production. Bs were a little like people. The next generation got smarter and more user friendly. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 9:23am
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Posted By: Jonny B 1938
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 10:18am
| Mine has no holes in front and no gauge hole in the water neck so I guess it was bare bones. It is a pre 2000 series number so info is hard to find. My original non pressurized radiator does have some unexplained worn holes in the shroud behind the core but not sure what those were for? |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 10:27am
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Ken, You are precisely right! I remember on real cold mornings in the 30's Pop would put them on when we started the B's to warm them up. Shutters came later and then thermostats. Johnny B, Your B may well have a thermostat on it that was installed later. We did that when they came in for overhaul. Take good care of my favorite. Good Luck! Bill Long
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Posted By: DSpears N IL
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 11:18am
I have the curtain that came with my 57 CA with out a hole in the shroud for shutters.
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Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 5:33pm
| A CA without shutters or a hole in the nose piece for the shutter crank is a interesting example of what a CA nose piece could look like and be correct. |
Posted By: Jonny B 1938
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 6:08pm
| It is strange that my shroud came without the holes for the canvas curtain. The original shroud has been hacked on the bottom as some moron mounted a Chevy flywheel and starter to the front of the engine. You talk about stupid dangerous, hmmm a big buzz saw mounted to the crankshaft that spins all the time. I had to get another grille and radiator support to do away with that abortion. I still have the original grille but there is about half of the bottom of it missing from the cronk hole to the radiator drain hole. It has no evidence of either the four holes or shutter crank hole ( which my brothers abandoned C has along with the shutter crank hole also). I guess maybe because it was a basic pre war tractor it had options emitted, other than the hack job on the grille it was completely original. I made an unfortunate discovery while resealing the engine today, apparently the idiotic contraption the previous owner did twisted and cracked the crankshaft in the middle main so a complete overhaul is going to happen there. At least I found it before I fully assembled the tractor and did not have a catastrophic failure on my hands. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 8:45pm
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Jonny B If you are interested in a fine example of a early 38 B (#751) my best friend has his up for sale. He and I restored this B with authentic early B only parts. There may not be another historically correct early B as complete as this one to be found anywhere. No expense was spared in gathering the one of a kind obsolete vintage bits and pieces to RESTORE this Early B to what it was when new. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 8:56pm
 38B tractor B751 Restored with authentic early 1938B obsolete vintage part wherever possible. Since this picture taken the incorrect Tri Rib Front tires have been replaced with Single Rib 5:00 15 Firestone reproductions from Miller Tire. Note that the 4 holes for a canvas curtain are not there on this early of a 38B. This is correct along with cast front wheels, split rim rears, fabricated clutch peddle, threaded brake lever knobs, Zenith sediment filter, Front axle weights, Pancake rear wheel weights, Canvas covered wood seat back, covered steering wheel spokes and much more. The tranny casting is different at the filler plug and correct for a Early 38 B |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 9:23pm
| Send me a PM if interested in owning this historically correct Early B and I will put you in touch with my friend the seller. It after all is the very next best thing to a 1937 Waukesha B |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2016 at 3:58pm
| bump to top. Trying to help a friend sell his B. A real correct early 1938 RESTORATION using only early 1938 vintage parts |