Paint Prep
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Topic: Paint Prep
Posted By: HVFDFIREFIGHTER
Subject: Paint Prep
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2016 at 6:10pm
| Getting ready to put primer coat on. All wire brushed. What is the best way to get rid of oily residue? |
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Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2016 at 7:16pm
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I use one of these with lacquer thinner. http://s769.photobucket.com/user/actractorman/media/spotsprayer_zps558948eb.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- Maximum use of available resources! |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2016 at 7:17pm
| Lacquer thinner works. They also make paint prep stuff that is a lot like lacquer thinner. |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2016 at 8:46pm
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Castrol SuperClean. NAPA sells it.
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Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 9:14am
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Mineral spirits. It has a longer working time than lacquer thinner. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: HVFDFIREFIGHTER
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 12:20pm
| Castrol Super Clean goes by just Super Clean now. I bought 2.5 gallons for $18. It was sitting right next to another product called Purple Power. The net said both are good products but Super Clean is stronger. I got the Super Clean. I'll give it a try. |
Posted By: Bill_MN
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 3:24pm
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I find when hanging small parts hitting them with brake cleaner right before painting is a lot less tedious and works better than wiping them with something. only thing is a can goes fast
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Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 5:39pm
| VM&P Naphtha makes a good pre prime wash on metal. |
Posted By: HVFDFIREFIGHTER
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 6:21pm
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Well I think tomorrow is the big day. Got the tractor stripped down as much as possible. All has been wire brushed and hit with the needle scaler, blown with air, and washed with Super Clean and air dried. It is looking pretty good. I have never used a HVLP gun before today. Ran a lot of water through it today "painting" cement playing with air flow fluid flow etc. I think I am ready to try some primer tomorrow. It is a sandable primer so if I screw it up, I can take it off and try again.
 Water sprayed good at 20 PSI with fluid nozzle open about 1/4 turn. Had a nice elipticle pattern. I am assuming paint will be a little thicker. I have filters once I mix it. I think it says 1 pint reducer for 1 gallon paint. I am going to mix in smaller batches though. Anybody have any tips?
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Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 7:04pm
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I personally would use a self etching metal primer or epoxy primer on cleaned metal. Sandable primer surfacer is not designed for priming bare metal. Save it for a smooth sanding primer over body work and first prime. When you get a smoothed surface ready for finish paint seal it with a primer sealer before applying final color coats. You can't hardly do enough prep work before shooting final color coats. |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2016 at 10:24pm
| I agree with Ken. For the first primer coat I'm a big fan of self etching primer. After that I'm OK with whatever primer you want to use. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2016 at 8:05am
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Looks like a HF sprayer. Used several of those and also have an expensive one and even though they lay it down differently I'd be hard pressed to say the more expensive gun paints better than a cheap one from HF. You'll do fine. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2016 at 8:08am
| I, personally, would wait until this terrible humidity in our area subsides, before spraying paint. |
Posted By: HVFDFIREFIGHTER
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2016 at 11:27am
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Well I am impressed with the HF gun. Paint Booth:  Primer started  Primer complete   |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2016 at 11:34am
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Looks like you're making good progress! I agree with the others, use a self etching primer on the bare metal. Then, if you want to get picky, prime again with sandable primer. I did spray on a layer of sealer over the primer before painting, but I don't think I needed it. Had some guys tell me the sealer is more to keep old color from bleeding through. When I painted my 45 a few years ago a barely used sanding primer. The expensive self etching primer laid on really smooth. I was getting tired of painting and decided it was good enough on most places. I don't have a perfect show finish, but it turned out pretty good. |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2016 at 1:05pm
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I'm impressed with your paint booth!! ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: HVFDFIREFIGHTER
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2016 at 1:55pm
| PVC pipe and 2mil plastic. 13'x10'x7' 8 3/4" 3 ways, 4 couplings, 12 10' 3/4" Pvc pipe, 20" box Fan on one end and furnace filter on other. Seems to work. Having trouble holding plastic to floor. Might have to wrap in 2x4. Sat 2x4 on top of plastic but it keeps pulling out. I'm guessing I should wait 24 hours before top coat? |
Posted By: Richardmo
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2016 at 3:28pm
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Read the product Data. some primer can be coated after 1 to 2 hours later some work better later also depends on the temp and humidity. |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2016 at 8:39am
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I use brake clean, dries fast, leaves no residue, spray it on a rag and wipe down, painted an RC tractor with spray cans in 2003 after wiping down with Brake clean and it still looks good. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: HVFDFIREFIGHTER
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2016 at 7:19pm
Primer was dry this morning. Lightly sanded and put first color coat on. Will check tomorrow ans see if it is ready for a second coat. I noticed a lot of orange paint on the floor and on the corners of the walls near the floor. Kinda hard to spray the under side of the tractor. The angle of the gun just does not make it easy. I like the results so far.  |
Posted By: HVFDFIREFIGHTER
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2016 at 1:13am
| I am thinking two coats should be enough. |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2016 at 6:21am
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Looks good! I like your booth too. Two coats should be fine, as long as they were 2 decent coats. I usually do a light duster coat at first, followed by 2-3 decent coats. Knowing when to walk away is an art. 
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Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2016 at 8:08am
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Interesting, what kind of paint are you using that you wait so long for the second coat. I always thought that you came back on with another coat when the previous one tacked up. |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2016 at 9:08am
That's how all the paint I spray works. |
Dave H wrote:Posted By: WC7610
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2016 at 10:49am
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Knowing when to walk away is an art. +1 That gets me every time- I want hit one last spot and the bam, it runs... Best to do several coats. As you mentioned prior, the bottom is hard to cover good. ------------- Thanks Most Bad Government has grown out of Too Much Government- Thomas Jefferson |