220 plowing
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Topic: 220 plowing
Posted By: tractormanpj
Subject: 220 plowing
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 12:26pm
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Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 12:32pm
| Nice picture. Is that corn |
Posted By: DanC911
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 2:13pm
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Not being a farmer I have to ask, why are you plowing under your corn?
------------- 1950 WD, 1955 B, 66 Jacobsen Chief-O-Matic, 68 Simplicity 2110, 77 IH Cub Cadet 1450 w/front loader |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 2:16pm
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That doesn't look like corn. It appears to be another grass of some sort. |
Posted By: wheatbreeder
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 3:14pm
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sorghum ?? ------------- Farm stuff 8050,6690,175,F2,5050,WD |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 3:51pm
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The man must have had a serious itch to roll some smoke and smell the earth as it is turned over... and drive that 220. Plowing down a heavy stand of giant sweet clover works for soil building too. Many years ago, I seen a picture of a fellow plowing down sorgum-sudan that was taller than his tractor... always wondered how much of that crop would decompose before the next crop got planted. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: tractormanpj
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 5:14pm
| It is Millet we plowed it before we started discing it down with the 8070 |
Posted By: Josh H
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 7:16pm
| Nice looking tractor |
Posted By: tractormanpj
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 8:50pm
| Thanks don't have the tractor anymore but still have the plow. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 11:36pm
| we used to plow under about any type of green stuff, makes great manure for the ground. another type of soil husbandry that the big farmers won't do! |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 11:38pm
| So what's the practice? Just grow a cover crop, then plow it under while it's green? |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2016 at 12:00am
| yep! |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2016 at 11:20am
Why? Plowing is bad for soil structure, takes lots of fuel, and makes fields more prone to erosion. Over on Agtalk lots of guys planted into standing covers. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
shameless (ne) wrote:Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2016 at 11:26am
| victory, are you able to pull off no till over there, or more of a vertical tillage or what? |
Posted By: tractormanpj
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2016 at 11:34am
| This was potatoe ground that we plant in cover crop to build the soil back up after potatoes. We try to plow it under before it has a head. |
Posted By: caledonian
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2016 at 4:38pm
| I remember sowing sweet clover with oats to provide a carry over cover crop which was plowed the following spring. Since sweet clover is a legume it fixed nitrogen in the ground to be used by the corn crop. If you had a wet spring that clover could be as high as your front axle when plowed. That ground was by far the most mellow ground you had that season. It also was probably the best yielding corn you had as well. |
Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2016 at 9:07pm
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Was done a lot before the use of commercial fertilizer, we did sweet clover, was always fun to try to plow after you thought it was time and then had 2 weeks of wet weather. Really made it hard to plow with a WD, plugged up all the time. ------------- 1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner) |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2016 at 10:19pm
| not all soil types can make a good crop with no-til. might work 1-2 years, then you need to do some breaking up on the soil! anything you can plow under makes good humis and builds the soil nutrients back up. diesel fuel is a lot cheaper than buying all the commercial made nutrients and fertilizers, but not as fast nor convenient. the big farmers around here are finding this out now. they wouldn't listen to the older farmers! said that was the old way of doing things and what they are doing now is the new way! but now they are pulling the deep tillage tools back out of the trees to use again! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2016 at 7:00am
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Well, there is already enough material on the web to read for a lifetime about the merits and problems of no till / conventional and everything in between, so I'm not going to add to it. I do like to see who does what where and why, that always interests me! I still plow quite a bit. I don't have the planter and drill to do no till. I guess you could say I could have spent my money on those all these years instead of fuel for plowing. But on the other hand, I don't know of any no till, true year after year no till, for a 50 mile or more radius around me. And with that in mind, I know I can't afford to be the one to lead the way and fail. Having said that, I'm open to switching to more like a disc-chisel instead of moldboard. That's why I asked victoryallis what he does, because while he's a ways from me, at least similar latitude! I try to limit moldboard....I use it to turn under hayfields, and usually to bury corn stalks. Ground that was in soybeans or silage corn, I will disc and field cultivate to save time and fuel... Few years back, I had some awful hay round baled. Just truly awful, a starving buffalo wouldn't have eaten it. I rented a bale chopper with a discharge chute and drove all over a field chopping and blowing that hay out. Plowed it under, and for 2 years could see an amazing difference in typical crops for that field. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2016 at 10:01am
Little bit of everything to be honest. We no tilled 200 or so acres this year. One guy does well with strip till in the east edge of county. I would like to try strip till but got to much tied up with my hodge podge I got going. The soil finisher sees a lot of acres it just what if any that leads it. I'm not anti tillage I'm just not a fan of the moldboard plow nothing wrong with a chisel plow or soil saver. For us it was like night and day difference going from a moldboard plow to soil saver. I got a soil saver with a pretty nice leveler to follow the 7580. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2016 at 10:56am
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What kind of soil saver do you have? The soil saver name was Glencoe I believe, but I'm sure many are called that. What difference do you see? Yield? Money? Both? To me, no till is not, "I planted corn into bean stubble", I think of it as an every year, year after year system. Maybe that's just me. Normally, I'm very wet and cold in the spring, and just can't see it. But I know it works for those much farther north than me. IDK, quite a topic! |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2016 at 12:16pm
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Night and day difference in 10 miles... west side of the county has sand that when the rain stops, it dries out, grows some fair sand oaks... east of them the fellows have loam/sand and can get out 2 weeks before I can, unless I am going to plant tractors...I am where it seems every field I have has draws and soft spots with clay right to the surface on most of it. if you get a crop established in the clay, it seems to do good, so I am glad I am not on that droughty sand. Do about the same as you, plow sod, disk or chisel where theres little trash to bury. Wanted to do deep tillage but takes hp to go through the clay. also if you bust up the clay and in a real wet fall, you will go through to the plow depth and sit and spin on the undisturbed clay. ... We use to plow down a crop along with a good slather of manure before planting corn. Rotation was 2 years corn, then oats or wheat/barly with alfalfa/clover/tim/alsike/ladino mix and would run the hay for 3-4 years. Sometimes we combined the grain, and sometimes cut it off in dough stage and then baled it. and if weedy, cut it off before the weeds went to seed, if the weeds had green seed, baled the oats on the damp side where it would go into a heat. boy the cows liked the tobaccoy carmal smell. We would try to combine some clover and alfalfa seed every few years to have our own to use. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2016 at 12:45pm
I know what your saying about wet spring. We have a 7 shank Glencoe and a 11 shank Steiger. Both are ok for our residue needs. Might plug in 250 bushel Iowa stalks. The Steiger came with additional braces on the frame so that tells me someone might of had issues in the past. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |