Green disc
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Topic: Green disc
Posted By: Chuck(ONT)
Subject: Green disc
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2016 at 7:33pm
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Will be looking at a JD transport disc, 1960-70 vintage. Any thoughts, what type of bearings and do they last? How well do they work in mostly sand? Anything to look for problem wise? ------------- Never take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway! 1C 1 WD45 1 AC180 |
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Posted By: 8050/8030/185
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2016 at 7:46pm
| Owned one of that age and had one big mess of ridges to clean up. All JD discs had a ridging habit. Parts were easy to get. You will need a good field cultivator to get rid of the ridges. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2016 at 8:22pm
| yep...they are a ridger! go find an old IH 470 or even a 70 and you'll be more pleased! |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2016 at 8:24pm
| oh...and if you are disking with a green one and have any trash in the fields, they won't cut down thru, they'll just scratch up on top, you might see some dirt show thru if you look hard! |
Posted By: Joe(OH)
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2016 at 9:50pm
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My uncle was glad when his JD disk went down the road. Said it always broke axles. ------------- Life is simpler when you plow around the stump. |
Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2016 at 12:13am
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Dale - working backwards from a 470 I thought was 370 and then 37 (which I have)? I love my old 11' IH-37. It has the single disc extensions in the rear that help cut down on ridging. I'd much rather have an IH disc from that era than anything else I've seen. I also have an earlier IH 2 point fast hitch disc that my dad did a crude Snap Coupler conversion on but one of the old spool type bearings is busted and I haven't found any used parts for one to try to fix it. Mike
------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
Posted By: Chuck(ONT)
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2016 at 6:45am
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Thanks for the help, will continue search. Any thoughts on King Kutter or other 3 point? ------------- Never take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway! 1C 1 WD45 1 AC180 |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2016 at 7:03am
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Here old Oliver discs are very common certainly not a bad disc. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: albatros_3
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2016 at 9:29am
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I have a 9.5' JD RWA wheel disc. It does a decent job but it does ridge. The Oliver and AC snap couple 40 we used to have did a nicer job. I drag a 10' steel fence post behind the JD disc to knock down the ridges. Edit: The bearings are the old pocket you fill with grease. Very simple disc but seems like a light duty disc IMO. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2016 at 9:48am
| balloon man...yeah...I couldn't remember older than 470's if it went with the 100 numbers or the 10's! either way, they was a good disk even back then! Chuck....the king cutters were made for the horse folks that want to disk their horse arenas. one of the stockholders has one, and it don't cut trash either, just breaks the dirt/sand arena up into clods. |
Posted By: David G.
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2016 at 5:26pm
| I have a 18' JD (BW ?) disk. Mine cuts very well but does ridge pretty bad even with a good heavy drag. Never had any broken axles or much bearing troubles, but I guess it helps that it stays under a shed and a grease the pi$$ out of it when I use it. Bearings are available for those disks through Shoup and aren't terribly expensive. |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2016 at 7:26pm
| I feel I got lucky in finding a Massey 520 disc in rough raw shape. Spent a few hundred for notch discs and bearings, cut it down from a foldout 20' to a flat 12'. Been a good machine for me and needs no extra weight to set it in the hardest ground, one heavy piece of machinery. |
Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2016 at 8:19pm
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I bought one of those disc's once, had trouble with it walking side to side, tried slowing way down, adding weight and every combination of everything else to no avail. Talked to a dyed in the wool JD man about it, he told me, "that was a problem with that model but the good thing about it is that it is green and yellow and it will sell." ------------- Maximum use of available resources! |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2016 at 8:00am
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Lots of disk leave ridges. One way to cut down on the ridge is to replace the outermost disk with one an inch or two smaller in diameter. There have been single disk extensions sold for that too. Another help is to add a single bar spring tooth harrow on the back of the disk. When I plowed, disked and field cultivated, adding the spring tooth to the disk and the field cultivator I was able to create the perfect seedbed with two passes of the disk instead of three. Gerald J. |
Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2016 at 9:15am
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My McCormick #37 will ridge if I go to fast, or if I set it wrong. Ridging can be reduced if the angle of the rear gangs are reduced. How i set it depends on what I am trying to do. If I have trash I want to knock down, I will set all the gangs at the sharpest angle to turn the soil. To prepare a nice smooth seedbed, I will set the rear gangs at the least angle and the front gangs in the middle and possibly increase my ground speed. This way the front gangs stir up the soil and the rear ones smooth it out. One mistake some people make that causes permanent ridging is working the ground the same way every time. Change the direction or angle of attack with each pass over the field. Changing from 10-30 degrees each time will help fill in furrows and knock down the ridges. And it will be a smooth rolling ride on the tractor. ------------- Looking at the past to see the future. '53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
Posted By: Chuck(ONT)
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2016 at 9:19am
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Thanks for the help, I have been using a converted 4 gang (IH) horse drawn disc with my WD45. Now that I have a 180 with working hydraulics /3pt I am looking for something a little newer. I got ridges with the old one, but could smooth them out with the disc closed. Just doing food plots with rye in the fall and sometimes oats in the spring, so not doing any harvesting. Looking for not more than 10 feet, may not get through some trails with anything larger. I have some spike tooth harrows to use also. This is in mostly sand in NE Lwr MI. ------------- Never take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway! 1C 1 WD45 1 AC180 |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2016 at 11:09pm
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One old timer neighbor told me that disking slow was a bad idea. That it took at least 9 mph to kill weeds. At such a high speed the weeds get tossed up in the air and laying on top the ground the roots dry and the weeds die. I know going slower, that clumps of grass and weeds like wild mustard all survived the disking. The field cultivator took them out though. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Chuck(ONT)
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 5:45am
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Learning a lot. Have a few to look at Tuesday. IH37, Oliver 241,251, AC310. Only problem weeds are fern, occasional wild mustard that may have come with the rye seed. The spike tooth harrows do a good job on the weeds. ------------- Never take life too seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway! 1C 1 WD45 1 AC180 |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 7:07am
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I've been using a 12' Deere RWA for close to 40 years, and it was "old" when we got it it seemed! I don't know what you guys are talking about broken axels or the like, I've never broke a thing on that disc all those years except tires and a few scrapers. As far as trash, it won't cut up corn stalks, neither will my Oliver. It will disc up weeds and grass in sandy or loamy soils no problem. I've heard the 9mph (or whatever, for killing weeds), and laugh. Seriously? I don't think I own a tractor with a 9mph working speed, including the 7045! I'd be exhausted steering that thing trying to go that fast in a field!! Hahaha It will ridge some...lighter the soil, the worse I suppose. To reduce ridging, change angle of pass each time, and on your last pass, disc a little shallower, no need to bury it to the axels every time, and lift when you turn. Take a lap or 2 around the field at the end to cover your turn around tracks, or, do as they say and drag something behind it to knock them down. Biggest drawback I know of is there is no rock cushion like an Oliver or White has or the newer ones....the trade off is those will ride up over harder ground too though. |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 7:51am
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I had a Kewanee 1010 hydro-fold 18' disc that was very suseptible to ridging unless the speed was "just right" Pull it too fast and you could have built terraces with the thing. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 8:33am
Ya, go like hell to kill weeds, then wonder why you have a ridge! Isn't killing weeds what sprayers are for? |
TedBuiskerN.IL. wrote:Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 8:37am
| I have a 12 foot jd that came for free when I got my other equipment. It came with a broken axle and I haven't tried to fix it yet. I hope the comment about going slower or just dragging something is right because I want to re seed my hay fields and get them smoother again. It has been about 25 years or more since some of them where seeded and the woodchuck wholes are bad in places so had I think my d17 might get lost in them.... |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 8:41am
| I doubt any disc of the type we're talking about here would satisfactorily till a field left 25 years with woodchuck holes big enough to swallow a tractor! Hahaha...If I came across a field like that with the equipment I own, it would see a plow first, then 2 or 3 passes with a disc, then level the best I could with a field cultivator. A heavy offset or breaking disc would likely work, but I don't have one nor have I ever used one. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2016 at 3:35pm
forget the disk, I can't get past that shameless called him "balloon man". Don't know why I find that so funny
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