Plow tail wheel question
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Topic: Plow tail wheel question
Posted By: CrestonM
Subject: Plow tail wheel question
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2016 at 12:05am
Kind of a general question (I just used Oliver pics), but how come some plows have a tail wheel like this that trails on the ground regardless of when the plow is raised/lowered And some have a tail wheel like this  It raises up with the plow, allowing the plow to be backed a LOT easier! Are there any advantages/disadvantages of one or the other? My plow has the 1st type pictured. Thanks!
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2016 at 1:11am
| in the first pic....it was easier to transport it down the road with a tractor that didn't have any type lift, like a 3-pt hitch. the second as you can see has a long tongue on it for transport keeping the rear wheel off the ground. the tail wheels also helped control the depth in the rear of the plows so they would plow even from front to back making most pull easier. I don't know about the real early plows that Oliver produced, but the later modern day plows of the late 60's and 70's were the best plows ever made. even to this day and age! |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2016 at 6:58am
| I've always heard that they made the best, and after plowing my my 2-12, I believe it! Mine is the same plow as the 2nd pic, but it has the dragging tail wheel like in the first pic. It cuts the cleanest furrows I've ever seen, and plowing a perfectly straight furrow is super easy! Not so with the 8N and my 1941 Ferguson 2 bottom! Only thing I like about plowing with it is the 8N has draft control! |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2016 at 7:30am
| draft control??????? ain't you gots a lever on that POS ferd???? learn to control it yerself before letting a machine do it for you! you'll appreciate it a lot more! |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2016 at 9:21am
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The trailing wheel, whether metal or rubber tired was usually tilted so it took the side thrust of the plow. Important on a plow with several bottoms. It also helped control the plow depth a little except it ran on the bottom of the furrow of the rear bottom. More of a land side with much less friction. On the first plow it lefts the back of the plow independently of the tractor hitch that on my AC 2000 plow is only two point, and besides the beam of that 4x 18 would rip the top link off many a three point tractor. I used the separate control of depths of the two ends of the plow frame to level up last passes in the middle of the field and also the first pass. My 2000 also has a depth wheel that runs outside the last furrow to set the maximum depth of the rear end of the plow. Gerald J. |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2016 at 9:02pm
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Wouldn't you agree the three wheeled drawbar pull plows have the best potential to be set up correctly and easily. Won't matter if your 3pt or draft control is acting up. I like 'em. |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2016 at 9:21pm
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Not really, If you are not beamed in correctly, all you will have is still a plow wanting to lift itself out of the ground or fight the set up if set to go deeper. Proper set will win every time. Smooth in, smooth out, clean furrow/landside, and a very satisfying pull for your tractor. No fighting.
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2016 at 3:59pm
It's pretty similar to the Traction Booster! Just bumps the plow out of the ground a little when you get in a tough spot. Sure is great! The 9N was designed in the late 30s to, 1) Compete with the A-C "B". 2) It was designed as a plowing tractor.
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SHAMELESS wrote:Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2016 at 4:00pm
I like 'em too! I think a lot of people agree they are more forgiving than a 3pt plow.
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2016 at 4:04pm
| So if I'm understanding this right, there isn't much operational difference in the 2 plows pictured? Both are drawbar pulled trip plows. I just wondered why they made the type like the green plow (Which are longer and harder to be backed) and then the type like the red one (Where the tail wheel is right close to the back of the plow and raises up with the plow. (Making backing and left turns easier) |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2016 at 4:27pm
| ain't sposed to back up with them, they's made to pull forward! and 3-pt plows take out small trees easier than the pull types! |
Posted By: BenGiBoy
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2016 at 4:50pm
Huh, you learn somethin' new every day, I guess....I always thought that a plow was for turning over DIRT, not TREES!!!! ------------- '39 Model B Tractors are cheaper than girls, remember that! |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2016 at 10:15pm
| I mean backing up into the barn! Unless you have a nice drive-through barn with plenty of space, it's difficult. I have done it once, when I was painting mine, but I had to back a couple feet at a time, getting off to straighten the tail wheel after it turned. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2016 at 10:17pm
I guess the nice thing about 3pt plows (at least on a Ford/Ferguson) if you hit a stump, or any other obstruction underground (Like a stump) the draft control will pull the plow out of the ground! Of course, if a pull-type plow has the factory trip hitch, it should release too.
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Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2016 at 10:30pm
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Here's a neat video. Go to 2:40 to see the draft control test. I've hit rocks at the farm with my 8N and it's done almost the same thing, although mine didn't work quite as good as the Fergie in the video. Also, at 1:30 shows a funny scene, although kinda dangerous. My dad and his cousin both admit to doing that when they were plowing as kids on their family's 8Ns. Dad's cousin almost got killed getting back on once, so he said that was the last time he did it! His leg got caught and the tractor rolled over it. My dad had a even closer near-death 8N experience, but that was his dad's fault. That's another story! Let's just say if the 8N didn't have such awesome brakes, he would've surely died or been paralyzed.
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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2016 at 9:34am
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Plowing an occasional garden with the 8N I had did not go well. The plow depth varied a lot and sometimes it lifted the tractor rears so the tires rototilled in front of the plow. My friends weren't pleased with the plowed results and didn't ask me back. The tractor was too light for moving snow with a rear blade except by making a run at the snow. I broke the frame of my three point blade doing that. I was happy to see it leave with a check in hand that made me a few bucks for my repairs and tires. I class the N family as toy tractors, though I know some like them. Gerald J. |