What oil are you running in your gas tractors
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Topic: What oil are you running in your gas tractors
Posted By: Tim (Cent.WI)
Subject: What oil are you running in your gas tractors
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 4:47pm
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My son and I have been arguing about what is the best oil weight and brand to run in our gas AC tractors (B up thru a 180G). I was wondering what everyone's opinions were and what they were running. I know this has been discussed before, but I wanted a new post with unbiased opinions to let him see what everyone is running. Thanks, Tim |
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Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 5:43pm
| Shell Rotella 15/40 works well for me. I use it in everything on the farm--Gas or Diesel |
Posted By: wbecker
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 5:49pm
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Any detergent oil, personally, I prefer multi weight. ------------- Allis B, IB, Low B, G, D10, JD M, 8KCAB, C152 |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 5:53pm
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Any GOOD multi weight detergent oil. 35WC, 38B, 51CA, 54WD45, and 60 D17. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 5:59pm
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Rotella 15w40
------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 6:00pm
| Usedta use amsoil 30 weight, now I am changing to Mobil 1 full synthetic 10w30. We'll see... |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 6:02pm
| Rotella 10/30 as I use tractor in the winter some. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 8:18pm
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Kendall 15W-40 diesel grade oil in all the tractors gas or diesel for the last 20 years. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 9:13pm
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If you start any of your old tractors in cold weather, Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel 5w-40 would also be a good choice. It is also rated for gas engine use. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 9:16pm
| Whatever 10-30 is cheep. Any new oil is seperior to the ND straight wieght it had when new. I change the oil and filter every couple years or so. Been doing that for decades and they still work good. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 9:19pm
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Im with Dave... 10 w 30 detergent oil ... Wal Mart brand in all my smaller tractors. Use Mobil 5 w 20 in the trucks and SUV. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 9:50pm
| Caseih low ash 30w goes in all my gas tractors, and caseih #1 30w goes in all my diesel tractors. |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 10:14pm
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the caseih low ash oil for gas tractors is about the best. the rest of the oils are great but gas tractors are kind of a breed of there own. ------------- AC from the start of my families farming career till the end! |
Posted By: Jim Hancock
Date Posted: 20 May 2016 at 10:17pm
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10w40 Valvoline synthetic. Or 10/30 in winter. ------------- How blessed we are by HIS GRACE! |
Posted By: breedman
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 1:05am
| I use 10w30 in my gas engines for years and 15w40 Rotella in my diesels |
Posted By: cpg
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 5:38am
| Original manual for all my old tractors (which are gas) say 10W winter and 30W summer so I also run modern conventional 10W-30. I don't run synthetic. I don't think these old engines were designed with close enough specs to really benefit from it over conventional. |
Posted By: jgrag984
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 6:57am
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Amsoil 10W30 full synthetic with Napa Gold filters. Use mine year round. |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 6:59am
| F/S 10W30 OR F/S 15W40 designed for farm use. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 8:08am
| The oil I add to my tractors has alot to do with which part is leaking. Lately I have had to add alot of hydraulic oil but I just got the power steering fixed so it should just be time to change the 10 w 30 motor oil. Someone told me a long time ago the old gas motors where designed for 30 weight and that was what you should run. Never seemed to be a seasonal issue running 30 weight in the d17 year round here. It has run on that since the 60s when my grandfather bought it and the 226 is still running great. That is one well built motor. |
Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 8:20am
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John Deere Plus-50 ll 15W40 Premium Engine Oil |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 9:23am
I know it's picky, but there is no 30w oil-----------------the "w" after an oil viscosity denotes that it meets the winter specifications for that viscosity. These specifications stop at 25 weight oils.  Actually, when new, some of the engines probably did have as tight of clearances as today's engines. It's just that some also had looser clearances than today's engines as machining tolerances were not as well controlled back then. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
cpg wrote:Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 9:57am
| wally 10w30 synthetic since modern oils gave flat tappets the finger |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 10:48am
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Even the worst modern oil is better than what was available back in the day. Change the oil and change it often. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 11:00am
Mark good point on the tolerances. The modern motors running 0w20 oil will start to use alot of oil as they get older I have been told. Guess that 0 weight that flows like water is hard to keep in an older engine. But I think they mostly care about the first 100 miles when they design cars now. Beyond that I think they want them to be traded in anyway. These old tractors where built to last. |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 11:07am
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From the old old school. That is when we sold them new in the 30's to the 60's.
In the engine we used sae 30 non detergent oil. At that time we did not have detergent oils available. In fact, when we had customers who bought used tractors they started using the most modern detergent oil available. Worked too good since it cleaned out all the gunk that was keeping the engine from burning oil and leaking. We would go out with five gallons of our sae 30 oil and change the oil. It worked and the owner got quite a bit more life out of the unit before a major overhaul. In the hydraulic we used sae 20 NON DETERGENT oil - 10 NON DETERGENT in really cold weather. Some of our customers used detergent oil and they ended up with a case full of foam. That was how it was in my olden days. Now I am delighted to hear the excellent results from the newer oils in both the engine and hydraulics. Good Luck! Bill Long |
Posted By: TimNearFortWorth
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 12:29pm
| Rotella 15-40 from Wally World as the cheapest place I have found. Filters on gas D-Series changed at 100 hours with NAPA Gold or WIX equivalent. |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 1:54pm
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a note on oil - Al Gore and is minions have impacted oil. The newest oil for the tier IV is not a "premium oil" . Our resident engineer did some research - the IV diesel oil has had a lot of ingredients that "pollute " when consumed, removed. They charge us more for less. The latest oil is fine I am sure, but is developed not for lubrication , but to pollute less when "used" by the engine. Also automotive oil several years ago had some selenium compounds removed as all cars use roller tappets. This automotive oil will wear out flat tappet lawn mower and tractor engines. Use appropriate Briggs, Kohler oil in mowers or diesel oil. Use the same oil in gas tractors as you use in the diesel. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 2:26pm
| Hard as it is to believe, but WalMart is the third ranked oil in standard oils. So go figure. |
Posted By: Tim (Cent.WI)
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 10:10pm
| Thanks everyone for making my point to my son, I have been running Rotella 15-40 for years in all my tractors, gas or diesel and he was trying to tell me it was to thick for the gas tractors. Thanks again |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 10:17pm
| Tim that would all depend on how tight the motor is. If you rebuild the motor and everything was measured and right at spec it would be alot different then a motor which has who know how many hours on it over 60 years. |
Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 10:27pm
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I have ran Mobil Delvac 15w40 in everything for years, except the gas Ford trucks I have. They get 5w20. I have put the Delvac in newly rebuilt engines and some that were worn completely out. Gas or diesel. I have had no problems at all. As said already, I think any oil would have to be a lot better at lubricating than what they had when these old tractors are new. I even run the 15w40 in the transfer pump engines, welders, generators and everything. It keeps from someone grabbing the wrong oil when something needs some. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 10:30pm
| Sounds like it is time to trade that ford for something that take the right oil so you don't get it mixed up...... |
Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 10:41pm
| Well, we only have 2 gas burning trucks. Most are diesels. I drive one and my son drives the other one on the farm. The 04 F350 with a V10 has 245,000 miles, and it still won't use any oil between changes. He drives it on the farm and won't let me get rid of it. I drive the 12 model F350 about half the time. It's got 138,000 on it now, and it never uses any either. So it's not as bad as having to add some to something and getting it mixed up if someone else drives one of them. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 10:57pm
| I run Castrol SAE 30 in all my tractors. B, G, and 8N. |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 21 May 2016 at 11:25pm
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Zinc additives for lubing solid lifter cams is much more of an issue with high reving engines with stiff valve springs to allow the high reving. Not so much on engines with valve springs designed for 2000 rpm operation. However, if you want zinc, the 5w-40 Mobil 1 diesel oil has 1100 or 1200 ppm zinc. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 22 May 2016 at 1:45pm
| I use Petrocan 5w40 in my WD45. Works well and starts well in cold weather. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 23 May 2016 at 7:12am
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For the fleet at work from little trucks to bucket trucks to backhoes, we use Castrol 15-40. At home in the Tractors and equipment I use 10w40 Cam II and in JoAnna's CTS Caddy I use 5-30 Cam II Synthetic. In my Astro Van I've always used 5w-30 as required since it was new. That is also Cam II or equiv. ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |