does anyone make there own hoses
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Topic: does anyone make there own hoses
Posted By: acd21man
Subject: does anyone make there own hoses
Date Posted: 17 May 2016 at 10:34pm
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does anyone make there own hydraulic hoses? down here in town carquest is 5 dollars a foot and like $10-25 for fittings. and orielys is like 7 a foot and maybe the same for fittings... so today i went to some mennonites and got 2 12ft hoses and 4 fittings i think it was 3/8s hose.. the hose was about $2.90 a foot and the fittings was $4 i mean come on why does everyone need to rip farmers off
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Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 17 May 2016 at 10:50pm
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Businesses are in business to make money, not give stuff away. They are also providing a service - making hydraulic hoses so you don't have to. They are not ripping anyone off.
------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '63 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 17 May 2016 at 10:53pm
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i should have stated how carquest and i know these people well by the way are the highest place by far in town on anything. what makes them dif from the other places is that they know parts. where the other places just hire anyone who can read and write ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 17 May 2016 at 10:56pm
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and im not knocking anyone for making money i just mean taking advantage of people and doing business the way it should be are two dif things and also prices move with the wind lol ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 17 May 2016 at 11:03pm
| some areas i can beat everyones price or quality in others icant but try to still provide a service when needed mostly has to do with voluum of each product that we sell or use the better we can buy |
Posted By: ACmowerguy
Date Posted: 17 May 2016 at 11:13pm
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Were the Amish hoses custom made or prefabricated? ------------- 10 various B-series garden tractors, AC Homesteader8, 416 hydro,710 gt, 914, 916H, 917H, 920D, and many misc attachments |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 17 May 2016 at 11:25pm
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Go out and buy all the different fittings. The places that make fittings have a huge amount of overhead. I have heard stories of places offering to give you the crimping tool if you buy a set of fittings. The one I like is we have a guy who farms, has a Kubota dealership and sells seed. His hoses and fittings are 50% over Napa. I'm like I compete with you for seed customers you bid up land rents and screw me on hydraulic hoses. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 3:24am
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Having just replaced ALL the hoses on my backhoe and the loader,,I can attest to the fact,,,there is a great difference in pricing on hydraulic hoses/ fittings. My initial thought was to replace as I went along with this project so's not to have a big outlay of dollars,,but that fell thru on the very first purchase,,,,!! I went to the local hydraulic hose place and promptly laid out $67 for 1 (one) 3/4" X 24" hose W/ one swivel, and one piece of 1 1/2" suction hose,,,,!! I figured at that rate,,this project was goin to run into the $1,000's pretty quick,!!! I got some great advice from ole Dan here and looked at Surplus Center online and wound up buying all the hoses needed for the loader for just over $100. they have a great selection of pre-made hoses if those sizes and lengths will work for you. After doin some more "scrounging" on the net,,I find Global Hose Co has even better pricing for their pre-made hoses,,so,,,I ordered all the hoses for the backhoe from them for less than $180 shipping included,,!! If I had more than 3-4 pieces of equipment using hydraulic hoses, I think buying a crimper and some bulk 1/2" and 3/4" hoses would be a good investment. TSC did have some pre-made hoses, but they were not competitive on their pricing at all. Hope this short story helps someone,,,,, |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 3:41am
| I buy the pre made hoses instead of the tooling for two reasons first I don't have enough to justify it long term I mean once I get my old stuff rebuilt the hoses should last a long time and that dubbed coating on the hose isn't something I really want to have in storage for years between using. The second reason is how many fitting will you mess up crimping that one hose a year you might need. I will have to check out that place Joe found though could stand to save a few more dollars on the next batch... |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 3:43am
| Oh and crimp one of them ends wrong and get a oil bath that will make you realize quickly that you want to have someone who does it more often make them up. |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 6:52am
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Up here, North of the 49th, we have 'Princess Auto'. Kinda like HF but smaller. Anyway they have a great hyraulics department,even make their own cylinders! Had them make up the hose in the rockshaft for D-14 #1.It was 1/2 the price of the AGCO one AND has a swivel fitting on one end. THAT made it easier to install . One reason a place may charge a lot is the 'tooling'. That fancy hyraulic hose crimper machine ain't cheap !! It also takes a fair amount of skill to PROPERLY measure,cut and crimp the FIRST time. Screwup and it has to cost someone. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 6:58am
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Its like anything else, if you're in the hose business, you buy in bulk. Its cheaper purchasing anything in bulk. Fittings are not cheap period! Especially when it comes to swivels, and "O" ring style fittings. Some manufacturers are a little more expensive than others. When making hydraulic hoses, one has to know what type fittings work with the hose it is designed for. You just can't crimp a fitting on a hose and expect it to work. That's okay if ya want to blow yer' head off. I've been making hydraulic hoses for years for our bucket trucks at work and other heavy equipment. The bucket trucks of coarse are man lifts, so its super important to make sure you use the correct components together. Hose pricing also depends on the pressure usage also. Higher hose pressures, higher prices. Its all relative. An outfit that offers to make a few hoses with a small inventory is going to be expensive because like I said, the overhead is high for them, so of coarse the price is high. An outfit that specializes in hydraulic hose assy's and all components, and anything you need, will be cheaper because of the inventory they carry and amount they spend on hose and components, the pricing will be much better... Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 7:11am
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We made up hoses at the shop where I used to work. Inventory is crazy expensive and if you don't have just about every fitting made, you can't always do the job. When we rebuilt our portable line boring machine we made new hoses because of changes we mad in the set up. I asked the boss about the slightly used hoses we took off. He said if I paid for the fittings, I could have them. It would have been cheaper to go to Farm and Fleet and buy them. We still had farmers come in during busy seasons on the farm, wanting a hose made "NOW" and they weren't concerned with the price cause "daylight was burnin". ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Ken(MI)
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 7:45am
| Just yesterday we blew a metric hydraulic hose on our big CNC lathe, I was able to go to the Parker Store and have two hoses made and return to the shop before the guys could get the mess cleaned up, I didn't question the price, just wrote the check, service like that is worth more than the price of the hoses and fittings. But, for what it's worth, two 3/8" diameter, 5000 psi hoses each being 150" long with fittings came to $164.00 total, and I would have gladly paid three times that without question just to get back up and running. There may be places in town that are cheaper, but I know that Parker has always had what I need on the shelf and if they don't, they will have it by 9:00 am the next morning, so I take all my business there to support them and the service they provide. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 7:50am
| Well like with most things in life if you have to have it now you can expect to pay a lot more. I try to avoid the have to have it now as much as I can. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 8:46am
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Well Joe, couple years ago when I was needing hoses for my HD5 dozer, I could buy all the hoses that would fit up to it for the price of one in town... and wrote about that here because I was so impressed with the quality of the hose too. But.... when I visit the local o'reilly and the co-op, I look in the hose trash barrel for replaceable fittings and if I find them, I ask if I can take them... and walk out with home repair parts...but you have to know the correct size for what they match up with.  and if I didn't grab them, it would just get trashed. ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 9:58am
| I went to a NAPA once to get a 6 ft hose made...$84.! told him to keep it and went and bought a china made for $13. and it's still going strong on my disk. that was 10 years ago! |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 10:23am
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i got the same hoses both 12ft for 190$ months ago cause the old ones was shot. went and got those yesterday for another mulcher for 87$ yesterday both are the same quality.. these hoses pick up the feet on a cultimulcher so they dont really have to do much. iv paid for lots of hoses that i had to have that min. but when u save 100$ on the same product. which would u pick im in the wrong business if they can make near a 100 dollars for 5- 15 mins of work and the carquest boys buy in bulk they have their own room for this stuff. and the machine has been there for 20 years so im sure its paid for by now ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 11:17am
| Yup I had the same thought about buying in bulk plus the inventory argument is bogus with napa cause they only stock the common fitting here the odd ones they tell you they can have the next day or in a few days depending on if another store close has one or which warehouse has it. But I just shop around inline when I have the time and most of the time I can be organized enough to have the time to wait for shipping. |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 1:25pm
| Its called "Capitalism". There are shops in town that will make a hose up, but seem annoyed they have to and charge the "I couldn't really be bothered" price. Princess Auto is smart, they have a fully equipped hydraulic shop in the store, hoses made while you wait, pre-made hoses, fittings, oil, etc, etc. They are cheaper than anyone in town, service with a smile, so, they sell a lot of hydraulic associated items. And, they make money, staff are well paid, everybodies happy...Trev. |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 2:25pm
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We make hoses at work, so fortunately I was able to re-hose my Allis fairly reasonably. If it's a Saturday afternoon and I need a hose NOW, Tractor Supply gets my $$$. They have a decent selection of hoses and fitting at a reasonable price. I recently needed a hose NOW and Tractor Supply didn't have the parts to get me going so I went to my local NAPA. All I can say is OUCH, but at least they were able to piece up enough stuff to get me going.
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Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 2:46pm
| Charlie has it right. I've looked at buying the equipment to make my own hoses to save from running to town. The issue wasn't the crimper machine cost or bulk hose cost. It was the cost all stocking all sorts of fittings to always have the right one. There are so many, o-ring, pipe thread, 1/2", 3/8", 90's, and swivels. Than we'd have to spend a bunch to have sitting in a drawer, or still be needing to run to town anyways.. |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 2:50pm
It cost money to ride the train, look at pretty girls and drink whiskey! The comparasion is not equal. Taxes versus no taxes and low overhead. ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
acd21man wrote:Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 7:35pm
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I recently bought a hose crimping machine and fittings and hose stock. The crimper is usually the expensive part. Usually $1200 to $2000. If you need dies, they run around $280 a set. I ended up spending over $500 for hose and fitting. The NAPA fittings were over twice the price of the ones I ordered. ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 18 May 2016 at 11:22pm
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It would help if there where not so many different thread types and all to have if you are going to have the right stuff 75% of the time. If you are happy with Chinese hose keep a bunch of it on hand. It is so far from town at my place I keep a lot more than most people I know of. I keep a lot of lengths 2 to 8 foot put a coupling in and make any lengths you need on employments. Loader and combine more important to not have to much. Several neighbors and I used to try and figure which place was giving the best deal on making hose,came to the conclusion older inventory was cheaper. So was a guess who would be cheaper on the same size hose. Local JD had a woman run the parts department,she demanded no oil could drip off the old hose if she had to measure,or put a new end on hose. Yes save the old reusable ends a good rainy day job to put them on old hose that has been pinched or cut. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 7:14am
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some of the price in getting hoses made is the expensive liability insurance they have to provide. Your shop makes a hose, and said hose blows, injuring or even killing someone, look out! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Adam Stratton
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 7:25am
| We have our own machine for our farm shop. Got it used and cheap, bought fittings on close out deals and buy bill hose. It is very expensive to have a shot at having all the fittings you need, even getting the surplus or closeout, but we live 20 miles or so from any place likely to have the fittings we need,and those places don't work the hours I do. Sometimes we go months without turning on the machine, but when we need it at 730 on a Saturday night, I'm sure happy it's sitting there waiting for me! |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 9:00am
| we looked into it at our shop and it may have been worth it forty years ago when every thing was either jic or npt but not now with metric, o,ring, bppt and all the others its hard to go to a well stocked store and have the fittings needed |
Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 19 May 2016 at 10:13am
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I've been using Discount Hydraulic hose http://www.discounthydraulichose.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.discounthydraulichose.com I have been working through the hoses on my TLB as the budget allows I've done 14 on the hoe and part of the loader for less than Ford wanted for the 4 swing hoses! Been getting my orders in 3-4 days, money saved is worth the wait! ------------- Allis Express North Georgia 41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |