Japan is back at it again!
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Topic: Japan is back at it again!
Posted By: Don(MO)
Subject: Japan is back at it again!
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 8:14am
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Just read that Kubota has purchased Great Plains! Dad always said "we didn't win WWII over the Japs" just changed how they battled us.  Here's the link. http://www.ksal.com/great-plains-manufacturing-sold-to-japanese-company/" rel="nofollow - http://www.ksal.com/great-plains-manufacturing-sold-to-japanese-company/ ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
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Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 8:26am
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Don, bad as I hate to say it, probably half of what they build is done at factories here in Georgia, they have 4 or 5 huge plants here just North of Atlanta. I'm sure most little parts are still from Japan, but most any piece that is fabricated, is done here. I was inside the plant that makes the backhoes and loaders several years ago, quite the operation. If I buy another new tractor, it most likely will be a Kubota, they are not cheap, but are very nice machines. ------------- Allis Express North Georgia 41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |
Posted By: Hubert (Ga)engine7
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 8:39am
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The Japanese companies have good technology and utilize innovative business models, quite unlike China. "Made in Japan" usually means quality while "made in China" likely means you are getting junk.
------------- Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God. |
Posted By: HaroldOmaha
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 8:40am
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The middle east oil people are beating us down too by keeping the price of crude oil down, trying to put our oil drillers out of business. We need to somehow get independent from them.
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Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 9:06am
| we get in lots of genuine honda parts in genuine honda parts packageing with made in china stickers on them, very seldom made in japan or assemalbed in japan. most of the honda generators that we sell are assembaled in usa but will still have little stickers on the parts that say made in china you would think they would take the stickers off at the factory |
Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 9:27am
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I thought Kubota was Korean? AaronSEIA |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 9:29am
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Someone was saying last week that Kubota was looking at John Deere ------------- |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 9:42am
Boy if this happens it will crank-up them green guys real good!  All I hear out of them green boys is your AGCO is not really owned by the USA like John Deere is. ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
JoeO(CMO) wrote:Posted By: farmtoybuilder
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 9:43am
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So I wonder if Gleaner is next for them? As they want a combine also. They want to be a full line company and a few years said it would happen! I have no good words for them today! With what they did to some of us dealers. We aren't a dealer for them anymore because of their actions Quality today isn't good! When they first came over They had to have quality to sell themselves. Now they are just like everyone else's. And you Couldn't give me a new one! ------------- 5 different TT-10's,5 TT-18's Terra Tigers,B-10,2 B-207's,B-110,2 B-112's,HB-112,B-210,B-212,HB212,2 Scamp's & Homilite T-10. Still hunting NICE HB-112 & anything Terra Tiger & Trailers for them. |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 9:45am
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This might be why Great Plains had been cleaning out their old stuff on
Purple Wave for over six months. ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: Play Farmer
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 10:03am
My brother owns a few go kart tracks. The karts come in with Honda motors on them. When they're done (which happens a lot faster than you'd think) he goes to Harbor Freight and buys their $99.00 engine, swaps in the Honda crank and off they go. He's found 99% of the parts are interchangeable, with the Harbor Freight heads and valvetrain holding up better than Hondas, and the Honda cranks being better than Harbor Freight. |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 10:59am
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I was told that Kubota's ag sales have passed AGCO now, this was from an AGCO rep. A Kubota dealers rep says at his dealership the ag sales are 70% of total sales. It seems to me that all Kubota dealers have been selling Landpride. I wonder what the Landpride color options will be in the future... |
Posted By: NDBirdman
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 1:40pm
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Kubota makes a great tractor. I have one with a Landpride tiller and have used it pretty hard. Not a single problem yet.
------------- 1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 1:52pm
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I was told the higher horse power Kubota's are eating transmission & rear ends. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 4:31pm
| I highly doubt Kubota could take over JD,, in 2014 they had 61.3 billion in assets,,,,, that's a lot of mooolah! |
Posted By: BenGiBoy
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 4:46pm
If you are getting a hydro, I advise you to take a really good look at the hydro-static drive/direction pedal. And compare it to John Deere, New Holland, and others that have two separate pedals, Kubota has a really weird pedal design that looks to me to be difficult to use and a couple others that I know that have used one say that it is a pain. Other than that, I agree, they are very good/ nice machines. ------------- '39 Model B Tractors are cheaper than girls, remember that! |
Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 5:26pm
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I have run two different Kubota tractors over the last 15 or so years. One is an L4310, the other an M6800. From the service I've seen from those two it would definitely take some convincing for me to change colors ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 8:51pm
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Distant neighbor has 60 horse Kubota said its fine for raking hay and light stuff. He figures heavy work would tear it up pretty quick. We have a Great Plains drill cannt what for the day it leaves. As far as I'm concerned it's a marriage of two misfits. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 10:54pm
What? I thought AGCO was US based in GA?
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Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 14 May 2016 at 11:32pm
| We bought a 90 hp track loader two years ago. Much nicer than the previous bobcat. Everyone in this area is going to kubota skid steers for their reliability. Their maintenance costs are much less than other brands. I have no complaints so far. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 15 May 2016 at 5:24am
| I've got 2 older little kuboters, the old ones was built good, cheap to run, and easy to service. I don't think I would buy anything new enough to have that tier 4 BS emissions on. Lots of horror stories of tractors back at the dealer, can't figger out computer and emission problems, massive downtime and huge amounts of $$$ to fix... |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 15 May 2016 at 6:50am
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speaking of 'buyouts', The feds here have allowed Lowes to buy RONA up here, sighing it won't deprive the Canadians of 'choice' of where to buy lumber and stuff. What it DOES do is force us to send our money 'south of the 49th'. Rona was a Canadian based company out of Quebec, LOWES is USA of course, same as the 'orange' big box HD. as for the Honda clones that HF and others sell, I buy a lot of them to repower stuff,they ARE well made ! A 9HP (270cc) unit will join to a real Honda reducer with precision !! as for foot pedals, try before you buy !! I have a Craftsman rider and the 2 pedal fwd-rev is a PITA ,especially when wearing big shoes or winter boots !! Jay BTW 38*F up here... ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 15 May 2016 at 7:30am
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Pick me a new Kubota- Which new 2wd Kubota tractor would be about the same as a 175 Allis? If you go by HP, the tractors weigh 2000 pounds less than a 175. I too wonder if their tractors can do heavy tillage full time. It looks to me the 3pt hitches are not solidly attached to the tractor. Maybe ok for nominal conditions, snag a rock and see what happens. Some of the Massey Fergusons look really beefy, and the engines rev lower. Kubota just moved the US HQ to Texas, so there goes hundreds of jobs in turmoil. However, I don't get the impression the Torrance CA people there were tractor experts, surfing, fer sure. Just importers managing the business. ANY questions talk to your local dealer. How much does a M5660 weigh, talk to the dealer. The local dealer may be an idiot, maybe not. Landpride- I hope they don't radically change the culture, just slowly improve the products and methods. Emissions- Well they botched it, just like US car makers did in the '70's. They keep having software upgrades. At least I don't see any re-purposed tomato juice cans in there. I don't know how extensive their electronics and sensors really are. Is there a combustion temp and pressure sensor for each cylinder? How about a fuel flow monitor to each injector? How robust is the diagnostic software. If they do it right it would be a good thing, do it wrong, the headaches multiply. |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 15 May 2016 at 7:45am
| Look at how many atv's are around today. Honda is a Japanese company and they are assembled over here. Several guys around me have kubotas and love them. I think I would rather have one than a French Deere, and atleast you will still be able to buy Great Plains parts I guess. |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 15 May 2016 at 9:31am
i hope they do buy deere and paint them orange just think how pissed them juys will be driving a orange deere  ------------- You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 15 May 2016 at 9:31am
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[QUOTE=BrianC]Pick me a new Kubota- Which new 2wd Kubota tractor would be about the same as a 175 Allis? If you go by HP, the tractors weigh 2000 pounds less than a 175. I too wonder if their tractors can do heavy tillage full time. It looks to me the 3pt hitches are not solidly attached to the tractor. Maybe ok for nominal conditions, snag a rock and see what happens. Some of the Massey Fergusons look really beefy, and the engines rev lower. Can't compare a new Kubota to a 175 - it's like apples and oranges. For an accurate comparison, you should be comparing it with other new 60 hp tractors - green, red, blue, etc. I think they would all be pretty close in terms of weight and build quality. I don't think ANY of the new tractors of this size are made for heavy tillage. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: 19856020
Date Posted: 15 May 2016 at 10:42am
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would massey be a good choice vs Kubota? do new massey have anything similar to old ones from the 70,s and 80,s , where are they made? Thanks ------------- 716 917 918 1920 d17 6080 |
Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 15 May 2016 at 1:59pm
| I just got a flyer for their new m7 series up to 170hp. Looks nice and the price will put some pressure on big red and green tractors. They need some healthy competition. And I bet a new deere has qbout the same or more asian parts as kubota |
Posted By: BenGiBoy
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 8:04am
I agree with that, I was talking about the ones on bigger 'compact' tractors. The ones that have the two pedals side by side. ------------- '39 Model B Tractors are cheaper than girls, remember that! |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 1:58pm
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I have a Kubota M110 and have pulled an AC 3 bottom spinner plow for years with it. Have about 2000 hours on it now. Use it mostly for haying as I now have an 8030 for plowing and the old 7580 for the big disk and diskchisel. Seriously looked at a new or almost new Kubota 30 hp for a mid mount mowing/utility tractor but ended up with a nice MF 1533 for a lot less money. Farmtoybuilder, would you mind telling us what happened with your experience? Haven't heard anything bad from dealers around here, in fact I'd guess there are more Kubota dealers in Colo then any other brand. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Ron Eggen
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 3:52pm
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Supposedly years ago AGCO had Great Plains books and were ready to announce a purchase, then decided the profit potential wasn't there to meet their goals. One of my neighbors works for a Deere dealer and their new Tier 4 engines have a injector pump that works off electrical impulses. That is enough to drive most mechanics banannas trying to figure why something wrong is happening.
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Posted By: farmtoybuilder
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 5:54pm
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Well I could write a book on this but I won't! And Great Granddad always said Not to Trust Them and in the End, he was right! To make a Long story SHORT?? They allowed a new dealer close to us to take rental & bid discounts off machines he sold new too retail customers. Machines in that program are suppose to be rented for a year or be purchased by a municipality or such. He registered them to a rental company and not the owner that purchased and paid for them. So he still ended up with a good profit margin with the sale. Come to find out They did this across the US with select dealers and areas to get Higher Market Share. Wasn't fair to us old dealers that worked for it and that had high market shares! ------------- 5 different TT-10's,5 TT-18's Terra Tigers,B-10,2 B-207's,B-110,2 B-112's,HB-112,B-210,B-212,HB212,2 Scamp's & Homilite T-10. Still hunting NICE HB-112 & anything Terra Tiger & Trailers for them. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 6:18pm
| I have only seen one kubota up around 100 hp that was used for plowing. It didn't have the mass to pull the plow in clay soil which was pulled the year before by a d17. And the tractor ended up back at the dealer with some sort of transmission problem. I don't remember what it was about 10 years ago now. I think if you want them for lighter work like haying or brush hogging they will treat you ok. But to be honest i would rather drive an older d serries or 100 serries anyday. Those old tractors where just built to last and the power direct clutch works great for the field work i do. For my money i feel it is worth the repair bills to run the old tractors. |
Posted By: bryani289swmi
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 8:42pm
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Kubota just pulled my buddies dealership, he had been with them over 30 years. Saturday was his last day with them, another new local dealership seems to be pushing it although they just had one co-owner kick the other one out. I wrote a letter to Kubota and actually did get a response. Heard that several others wrote letters too. I've had several Kubota's, never had any trouble with any of them. The new dealership keeps contacting me wanting to do business, I told them to shove it up their arse. They didn't like that too much. Thanks. Bryan ------------- Sticks and stones may break my bones but hollowpoints explode on impact. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 16 May 2016 at 10:33pm
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Todd Stuckey(not sure on spelling) works for them doesn't he ? Came from AGCO, was head of the tractors for AGCO not long ago ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |