D14 Dilemma
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Topic: D14 Dilemma
Posted By: AJ
Subject: D14 Dilemma
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2016 at 8:47pm
 What's wrong with this pedal? Seems wrong and the pedal is correct. Need a little help ------------- Can't fix stupid |
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Posted By: Acdiesel
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2016 at 9:12pm
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one of my 14's is like that, but not that tight, Has this always been like that? Dan ------------- D19 Diesel,D17 Diesel SER.3 2-D14, 2-D15 SER.II WF/NF D15 SER.2 DIESEL D12 SER.I, D10 Ser.II 2-720'S D21 Ser. II Gmc,caterpillar I'm a pharmacist (farm assist) with a PHD (post hole digger) |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2016 at 9:21pm
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Hey AJ,,,maybe the clutch fork inside the bellhousing has broken,,,??? Pedal looks like on my D14,,,, |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2016 at 9:35pm
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The pedal is NOT for a D14. As you can see, there is a "tail" below the pedal's shaft that is resting on the foot pan. That can prevent the pedal from returning to its natural position. Here are 2 completely original D14s that do not have that tail on the pedal... 58 D14... http://s526.photobucket.com/user/szalmyr/media/58%20D14/DSC01032-1.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  59 D14 (over serial #19001 - same as above) ... http://s526.photobucket.com/user/szalmyr/media/59%20D14/DSC01998.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '63 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: Richardmo
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2016 at 9:51pm
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Looks like the later clutch petal to me. Can it go higher or is hitting the foot rest. Added a picture of my late model D 14 petal it is the same as AJ. http://s128.photobucket.com/user/richhc/media/D%2014%20oxnard/D145.JPG_zpsqdpw23b5.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  He has the early model that should not have the stop on it. Also can tell the rods is not coming back far enough by were the spring is position in the picture. |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2016 at 10:09pm
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Hey Alan,,,that picture kept botherin me so I went out and had a closer look see at my 1960 D14. The "stop" that Dseries4 is referring to is also present on my pedal, and appears it's function is to limit the REARWARD travel of the pedal to a certain point. but the front (top) part of the pedal IS different on my D14 from yours,,!! the front part of yours has that 45 degree bend right under the foot rest,,,,went and looked at the one on the D15,,,,and yours is exactly like the one on my D15,,,,,???? 
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Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 6:20am
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Well I think the pedal I have is incorrect is the problem. Agco's site shows the one like Myron pictures, didn't realize there were two styles. Thought a D14 was a D14 and that was it, had not clue there were differences. Guess I should check the serial number. Richard and Joe, look at the little point on the bottom of yours and mine. Your all's is angled slightly where mine is straight-ish. Any clue what the difference is there? ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 6:29am
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Its to darn far away! That's what's wrong with it. LOL!! I'd have a real dilemma trying to reach it with my short little legs! I'd be makin' modifications to that dude, or find out why its like that, compared to Myrons D14 pedal location. Woo wee! LOL! ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 6:32am
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Mine moves about 3 inches when pressing on it. Seems it should be double that or more.
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Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 6:37am
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Great it's only 8*F here and now I WANT to go outside and take pictures of the pedals on the 'group of four'...brrrr... I know I added 2-3" of rod on 'Troy' to get the pedal more upright.At the time(10yr ago) it was thought the nonAGCO clutch disk was to blame.All I know is that it works fine. Maybe come noon I'll venture out and take the pictures. With my luck I'll have 3 different pedals !! Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 6:46am
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Maybe the Rod has been screwed way too far in to the Pressure Plate Lever. Pull the cotter pin and try unscrewing the rod. Gary |
Posted By: Richardmo
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 7:45am
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Were the spring is located it should be out to the bump on the housing. all my tractor are the same. yours is pushed down some already not allowing the clutch petal to travel enough. Look at the D series4 picture and you can see were this should stop. also I learned you can not take out the PTO engager from late tractor and install into early one. |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 8:45am
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I believe the problem is that the pedal is wrong. This tractor has some problems but they all seem to be simple ones for the most part. There is a lever next to your ankle on the other side that don't look right either. I will get pictures and more info this evening. Had this tractor a while just now getting time to work on something.
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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 9:40am
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I'll tell youse guys something,,,,a little sunlight does change your perception of some things,,don't it,,??  AND,,,I guess my Toolie-Wak is the blackest on this one,,,, got to wonderin why there would be different pedals so went back out this morning with the camera that don't lie,,,,,and it does appear to be a little difference in the little tab at bottom that linits too much rearward travel, but the rest seems to be similar to all the posted pics. What would be differences from the early to later ones,,??Gary might have part of the answer in the rod being screwed into the fork too much. If I remember right (?), you can back the rod out without completely unscrewing it out of fork. I had to machine a "spacer" to lengthen the rod for the D14 due to flywheel havin been machined and to get pedal to stand up more for MY short legs,,,,(Ya see, Steve, you ain't the only'ist one like thet)  
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 10:43am
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Just looking at it AJ, I gotta agree.... It's just not right. The bottom tip on yours is straight and the others have a little bend to theirs. I wonder what D series your pedal came off of? ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 12:41pm
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AJ, just trade with one off Randy's D14, he has lots to pick from and might not even miss it. lmao
------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 12:44pm
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I was thinking that I could just cut that little tab off and should be golden I would think. ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 1:49pm
   
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 1:51pm
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oops I really screwed up the resizing....sigh..hadache all day...though it's 3x wamer now than 7 AM ! all my pedals are the same though 1 was cut,rewelded before me. PTO lever is different for one as well ! Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 1:53pm
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now they might be better...
------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 2:04pm
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It appears I just have the wrong pedal....
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Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 3:20pm
| Amazing what comes up on this forum !! Somebody needs to go look at a D10/D12 or D15 to see what tractor AJ's pedal came from. |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 6:45pm
Here is the pedal and cast numbers if it helps you guys.  He's the lever that operates the snap coupler. I appears it might not be correct.   Here the hitch and belt pulley that I will be removing and selling off.   ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Richardmo
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 7:29pm
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Here is the dimension of the late D 14 petal. http://s128.photobucket.com/user/richhc/media/D%2014%20oxnard/allisD14901.JPG_zpsqpffcypz.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s128.photobucket.com/user/richhc/media/D%2014%20oxnard/allis%20D14900.JPG_zps3pzoj4q1.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  The early D14 petal. http://s128.photobucket.com/user/richhc/media/D%2014%20oxnard/d01da99a-b3cc-49f8-8be2-b1452d62b8e3_zpsxi1apvd9.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s128.photobucket.com/user/richhc/media/D%2014%20oxnard/AllisD14911.JPG_zpsz9vcoiiy.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 8:36pm
What's wrong with the snap coupler lever? Looks like both of mine. If it is not springing back to the torque tube, the chain underneath can be shortened. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '63 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
AJ wrote:Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 9:18pm
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Maybe it's missing the spring on the lever. I don't know these things. This is my first D14 so I'm learning on this one. What does the spring look like? Richard what are the serial numbers of the tractors those pedals are on? ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 9:22pm
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Mine is a very early D14. #2368 What would be the correct grill and decals for my serial number? ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 19 Jan 2016 at 9:51pm
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With some of the differences it's almost like there was an early series and a late series. Like a series 1 and series 2 kinda... ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 4:25am
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Serial 2368 is very early of the first year. 1957 started at 1000 and ended at 9400. Gary ................................................. The Clutch Pedal, Rod, and 2 Bushings were revised in late 1959 at Serial 21677. The same revised Pedal, Rod, and Bushings were used on the D-15. ...................................................... Just looking at the pictures again and noticed something. If you look at Richards close-up picture (with the measuring tape )of his late D-14, the added extended nose is at about a 45' angle to the long arm of the Pedal. Looking at AJs picture of the Pedal, the extended nose appears to be practically in line with the arm. If AJ ground that nose completely off , and rounded, it would let the Pedal come up much higher, similar to early D-14's. Problem solved Gary |
Posted By: Richardmo
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 8:15am
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D 14 serial #4262 off the torque tube this is the Early clutch petal. D 14 serial #28268 is the one with the late clutch Petal. Measuring the clutch rods there was only a difference 1/4" from the torque tube housing as I can not get into the torque tube area figure one is just screw in farther than the other. Early D 14 would be a Non Bar grill screen. |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 8:36am
This was the picture I ment to post last night. Better angle. ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 8:39am
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AJ See my 'just edited post' above. Gary |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 9:18am
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Hey Alan,,,Are you wantin to "restore correctly" or just repair to run this D14? I can see two options if your just lookin to repair. What MAY be the problem is the "floor" (for lack of a better word) may have been installed too high causing the interference with the "tang" in question,,,,,? When you get the floor/tang issue resolved, here's how I would tackle the other. If the clutch was operating properly, I would cut the rod and machine a "spacer" to extend the rod so the pedal sits up straighter. I had to extend mine by 2" so I made a spacer 4" long with an allen at each end,,,works like a charm,,,!!!  Fact is,,,if you tell me how long you need to extend the rod,,I'll make you a spacer and send to you,,,
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Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 10:41am
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Right now I'm just gonna use it and fix all the wrong and leaky things on it. Will likely paint it when all that is done. Found out last night it has wiring issue or I'm a dumb a$$ and did something wrong. Melted the positive battery cable off the solenoid. ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 12:07pm
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Is it possible that Tractor could have an incorrect clutch/pressure plate or incorrect throwout bearing in it and the rod needed to be threaded in farther to make it work? That would throw the pedal way off. Just thinkin' out loud here... I don't own a D series Tractor. (yet) ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: Richardmo
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 12:40pm
| If you look at the picture you can see the back part is causing the clutch petal to stay down farther than it should. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 12:56pm
| The problem is for sure the way that clutch pedal is cast. I've looked and it isn't from a D-10/D-12. The D-14/D-15 are supposed to be the same pedal, but that tab that contacts the platform simply needs to be ground off 1/2" or more and the problem is solved. The platform might be raised up too high as well, but by every picture posted, that tab should not be in a straight line with the pedal arm like it is. Linkage isn't the issue. |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 1:46pm
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. . AMEN |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 2:13pm
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I'm wondering if that's the original platform. The foot rest seems to be in an awkward position, relative to the clutch pedal. |
Posted By: AJ
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 3:42pm
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Your right doug. The angle compared to the other pictures looks steeper than the others. ------------- Can't fix stupid |
Posted By: Richardmo
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 4:00pm
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Center of the pivot point off the foot rest should be about 1 3/8", this is same on both of my D 14. Also will post a picture of my D 15 it is not the same clutch petal, Angle is different. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2016 at 6:51pm
| AGCO Parts gives a 70233271 as the p/n for the clutch pedal for both a D-14 and D-15. It does note however, early D-14's didn't have bronze bushings inside them and at s/n 21,677 and up they had 2- 70233270 bushings. It is possible at that s/n there was a change made to the casting, but you'd have to have an old D-14 without bushings to compare to. |
Posted By: Gary
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2016 at 7:10am
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DR. See my post above: Pedal, Rod, and Bushing revised at Ser. 21677 Gary |