8030 FWA
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Topic: 8030 FWA
Posted By: Oldred
Subject: 8030 FWA
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 11:06am
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Anyone have a good source for a complete front end rebuild kit ? Not the differential just the outer bushings/bearings/seals/Ujoints etc ? Just priced out at Agco and had a small heart failure LOL. Thanks Mark |
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 12:36pm
| I can't imagine being able to find ANY parts for those FWA axles other than an AGCO dealership. The axle was made by a company called SIGE from Europe and all their parts are unique. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 9:03pm
| Do I remember right that Sige is owned by Deutz? MACK |
Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 9:16pm
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I spent around 14 grand on my 8070 it was high but as long a it gets greased and taken care of it should last another 10000 hours. ------------- 8070FWA,7080 BlackBelly, 7045,2 200s,D19,D17,G, WD,45,UC,7 AC mowers and lots more! "IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!" |
Posted By: Hurst
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2016 at 9:39pm
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I'm not sure, but look up a Moog 486 U-Joint. It states it is a 4.1 inch across u-joint that is for Deutz and Allis front steer axles made by SIGE. I couldn't find a whole lot more information on the internet, but if you can find a good parts guy with a moog catalog, that should be more helpful. It looks like everywhere is about 2 weeks lead time on them. This might be the part AGCO is selling? It can be found for around $160 +/- on the internet. If it fits, that savings would add up after 4 of them.
Amazon can get them: http://amazon.com/Precision-Drivelines-486-U-Joint/dp/B009HQMVH8" rel="nofollow - amazon.com/Precision-Drivelines-486-U-Joint/dp/B009HQMVH8 This place is where I got the 4.1 inch across dimension: http://www.carid.com/moog/u-joint-mpn-486.html?gclid=CjwKEAiAzuK0BRCW4tiLpJT-8TISJADV8cw9e1qSWC6R" rel="nofollow - http://www.carid.com/moog/u-joint-mpn-486.html?gclid=CjwKEAiAzuK0BRCW4tiLpJT-8TISJADV8cw9e1qSWC6R This website lists applications for Allis and Deutz steer Sige axles: http://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/moog-486" rel="nofollow - http://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/moog-486 ------------- 1979 Allis Chalmers 7000 5800 Hours |
Posted By: 427435
Date Posted: 16 Jan 2016 at 1:59am
I don't know about today, but they were an independent company back when we sourced the axle from them. ------------- Mark B10 Allis, 917 Allis, 7116 Simplicity, 7790 Simplicity Diesel, GTH-L Simplicity Ignorance is curable-----stupidity is not. |
MACK wrote:Posted By: ivan
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2016 at 7:51am
| we can help what do you need 989-379-2721 |
Posted By: Allis 8050
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2016 at 11:30am
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sige is now owned by spicer ------------- AC C, D-15,D-15II,ONE-SEVENTY,185,200,7010,8010,8030,8050 AGCO LT90a, AGCO RT130 and GLEANER R55 |
Posted By: Oldred
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2016 at 11:37am
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Thanks for replies guys, Currently Dana/Spicer own SIGE and they are looking for a possible kit which is probably not available. I am located in Alberta Canada so right now our exchange rate on Agco parts coming from the US is really poor. If I would have known I needed a rebuild 1 year ago it would have been a smaller pill to swallow so to speak LOL. Actually the Agco U-joints are not that bad at $419Can/293USD per side complete. Its just the rest of the seals bearings/bushings etc that add up. Thx Mark |
Posted By: Northern Hoser
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2020 at 2:30pm
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Just gonna bump this... Has anyone tried to see if the Moog 486 fits the Sige FWA axle? Matt |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 4:42pm
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I might be way off on this, but did John Deere and Allis Chalmers both use the same company for their front ends. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: PeteMN
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2020 at 10:48pm
| We used a Moog 486 on an 8050 FWD. The last one came from a regional truck drive line company, I think they found one in a warehouse in Nebraska. Years ago we ordered one thru NAPA and it showed as a Precision Brand U Joint, it was about $100 cheaper than Agco. I think Precision is owned by Moog now. I'm a little surprised how hard they are to come by these days, especially compared to truck u joints. A mechanic friend of ours said he thought the aftermarket u joint fit a little loose in the end cap mount, but we didn't notice any play. The mounting bolts for the U Joint are even crazier in price, they are a hex head bolt w/metric fine threads, but in order to have enough clearance they went with a smaller than std hex head. At one time they cost $7 each, last time I checked they wanted $28 each. A std metric hex head bolt with that thread cost $1 each. I scrounged a couple used ones from a helpful dealer's salvage axle the last time we worked on our tractor. |
Posted By: 8070nc
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 9:52am
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Could the $1 dollar bolt head be turned enough to work ------------- 1984 80780 1957 D14 DES 300 with 25000 engine 616 tractor |
Posted By: Northern Hoser
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 10:05am
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Good to know, Thanks. Mine aren't that bad but if they're getting scarce I better start sourcing them now. Matt |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 2:08pm
| I'm not familiar with these fronts but could a allen head style be used? Probably a clearance problem some where..... |
Posted By: PeteMN
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 9:53pm
| Its been a while since we worked on ours, I'm not sure you can get at an allen head bolt. I ordered std head metric bolts from Tacoma so we can modify them if we need to. There were a few more on a dealer's burned salvage unit, too, but would have had to heat them to get them to turn out(maybe they'd come out). |