Help finding Allis c under seat light lenses
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Topic: Help finding Allis c under seat light lenses
Posted By: Acmichael
Subject: Help finding Allis c under seat light lenses
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2015 at 11:01pm
| I have the original light and bracket that mounts under the seat on a 1948 c but the lenses are broken and missing. I know this light is very rare looks to be a two piece lense one on the bottom and the front possibly different colors. Does anyone know where I can get replacement lenses thanks |
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Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 1:07am
| maybe you can stea....uh....borrow one from Fred in PA? |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 7:19am
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Those lamps are tough to find never mind just the lens'. You could try e-bay for starters. I remember there was an outfit making that original lamp assy. I remember seeing it advertised in OAN toward the back of the magazine. Maybe Stiener Tractor parts might have something? We have a replacement we sell which has plastic lens'.... Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 7:25am
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I have to ask, is the cup lens red and the flat lens clear, or is it the other way around? ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Acmichael
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 7:38am
| Yes red cup lense and clear round lens at least I assume that's how it's is supposed to be. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 8:14am
| I will look today. I remember seeing a original light in my junk. |
Posted By: Bill (E.C.MO)
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 8:47am
Michael, I had the same problem, and turned the internet upside down looking for something that would work. Re: the red glass cylinder "cup" lens, It worked pretty well to make one from a strip of thin plexi or lexan, bending it into a circular shape and tinting it with the red tail-light lens repair tape sold at auto parts stores. For the clear, dish-shaped "flat" lens I scrounged ebay for a long time searching "clear railroad lamp lens" and such, but never came up with a passable clear lens the right diameter. I did find red ones the correct diameter, actually several in a lot, and if you or anyone wants a red one of let me know ;-) At one time, Norm's Toys had a reproduction that was very correct other than the red cylindrical lens which was made of pinkish red plastic. The clear dish-shaped lens and the rest of the assembly was spot-on. After all that I decided to be done with it, got off my billfold and bought an intact original. Those old B/C tail lights are really cool IMO and such a nice original touch. ------------- A-C's currently on the farm: B, CA, 2 D-17 D's, One Eighty, ass't implements. |
Acmichael wrote:Posted By: Chad(WI)
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 12:01pm
| The M crawlers used the same Guide light ( maybe others? ) . Red rear lense....clear bottom window. Bill may have a goldmine lol. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 1:16pm
| Anyone have a pic of an original? |
Posted By: Scott B
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 6:40pm
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I've got one I'll sell. Was going to add it but use my tractors too much and afraid I'll break it ------------- D17 Series 1 Allis B- 1939 Allis B- 1945 |
Posted By: Acmichael
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 7:35pm
How much would you want for it and does it have the clear round lense and the red half moon lense |
Posted By: Scott B
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 9:04pm
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Sent pm ------------- D17 Series 1 Allis B- 1939 Allis B- 1945 |
Posted By: Bill (E.C.MO)
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 9:16pm
Good to know, thanks Chad! I'd have to check, but I think have four or five of those red lenses.
This isn't a great view, but I happened to have it loaded on photobucket: http://s376.photobucket.com/user/TractionBooster/media/BSeatCover.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- A-C's currently on the farm: B, CA, 2 D-17 D's, One Eighty, ass't implements. |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 9:26pm
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The repo lights have the large red lens and the clear window lens. They are manufactured for the antique auto market, which is where they originally came from. Aliis just had the lens colors reversed for their use. I found a plastic tail light lens for the clear and a round red tail light lens at a flea market several years ago. I never used them because I have 2 originals. You can buy red plastic sheets and cut into a strip and warm it to bend it to fit. Bob ------------- 4 B's, 1 C's,3 CA's, 2 G's WD, D14, D15, B-1, B10, B12, 712S, |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 9:33pm
This isn't a great view, but I happened to have it loaded on photobucket: http://s376.photobucket.com/user/TractionBooster/media/BSeatCover.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> [/QUOTE]
I have one of those lights on my B!
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Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 9:40pm
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The photos from Bill and CrestonM are the original lights. I remember selling them in our parts department. The things we threw away. I have no idea where you can get them today. Good Luck! Bill Long |
Posted By: Scott B
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2015 at 10:10pm
Here are a couple of pics. A person would really want some type of rubber/cork gasket to separate the glass. And, please don't tell the loving wife I had the tractor parts on the dining room table!
 ------------- D17 Series 1 Allis B- 1939 Allis B- 1945 |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2015 at 5:48am
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I have a few of the red dish type. I would sell . Will not part with the last of NOS Clear dish and red cups. ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: Chad(WI)
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2015 at 8:02am
| Is the window supposed to be up or down? I've seen them both ways? |
Posted By: Bill (E.C.MO)
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2015 at 8:15am
It's always up in this and other original literature I've seen. http://s376.photobucket.com/user/TractionBooster/media/ACBtaillampassycopy.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- A-C's currently on the farm: B, CA, 2 D-17 D's, One Eighty, ass't implements. |
Posted By: Chad(WI)
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2015 at 12:35pm
| Thanks Bill. Sure does help to have a parts book for a B/C lol. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2015 at 6:34pm
| So why are these lights so rare? Were they not standard equipment? |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2015 at 6:40pm
If you where as old as these lights and been hanging on the back of a tractor that things could hit you. U would be rare too. ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2015 at 6:48pm
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Funny story...when I got my B in 2009 (I was 11) I drove it around at night a little bit and couldn't figure out why the PO put such a dim little light back there. Then later I find out it's a rare original light! Even so, I'd like to take it off and add another headlight for a work light. Then maybe I can actually see the plow behind me. This light is horribly dim.
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Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2015 at 7:06pm
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My C has one. The glass is good, no chips, no cracks, knock on wood. I made a new retaining clip, the original was rusted down to about ready to drop the glass! I painted the case PO1, was it supposed to be black? I remember searching for a higher wattage bulb, think I found something hotter than stock. |
Posted By: Acmichael
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2015 at 7:25pm
Have to remember these guys using these tractors back then were about work not appearance. Most prob got ripped off and thrown away |
Posted By: sandman2234
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2015 at 8:30pm
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I have a couple NOS clear lens and a couple of used ones. The red curved one is the rarity around here. David from jax ------------- A proud member of the Allis Express movement! Northeast Florida |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2015 at 10:03pm
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I lucked out at a flea market and bought a complete one, in the original box, for $10.00. It was a shame that it had rained earlier that day and the box was wet. Bob ------------- 4 B's, 1 C's,3 CA's, 2 G's WD, D14, D15, B-1, B10, B12, 712S, |
Posted By: Bill (E.C.MO)
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2015 at 10:10pm
It could be your bulb is a 12v. A 12v bulb will work, but a 6v bulb will burn a little brighter. Don't expect much though ;-)
Brian, in all the original B&W literature I've studied the case always appears to be black. I painted mine black. If that's wrong, it would be good to know. Does someone know for sure? ------------- A-C's currently on the farm: B, CA, 2 D-17 D's, One Eighty, ass't implements. |
Posted By: Chris (swIA)
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 9:04am
| I am going have to plead ignorance. What is the point of the red lens on top? I have seen rear lights in the past with a switch that allowed it to be red or white but this i don't understand. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 9:27am
| I'm like you Chris. Why would you need a red lens on a so called "Work Light". Parts book calls them "Lamp Assembly-Tail" |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 4:13pm
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You know, they never told us and to be honest we never asked. If you recall later the light was removed from the seat and a red "bullet" light was placed on the fender. I believe that was to meet government standards. Good Luck! Bill Long
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Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2015 at 9:40pm
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It was just an inexpensive way to have a tail light and a work light. I added an old headlight to use as a work light back in the 50's. Much brighter. LOL Bob ------------- 4 B's, 1 C's,3 CA's, 2 G's WD, D14, D15, B-1, B10, B12, 712S, |
Posted By: sandman2234
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2015 at 7:16am
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I have a guy trying to buy what basically is most of my collection, so at the current time I can't put any of my lens or lights up for sale. I will advise if this changes. One of my hesitants is that all of my tractors will be parted out instead of being restored. David from jax ------------- A proud member of the Allis Express movement! Northeast Florida |
Posted By: Acmichael
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2015 at 8:22am
Thanks and I understand I actually went ahead and bought a whole assembly from another member |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2015 at 5:11pm
WOW, the STEAL of the century. You should have at least served some jail time for that one Bob.   ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: norm[ind]
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2015 at 7:38pm
| you fellas are not old enough yet- the glass co. has been sold and will not reproduce them |
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2015 at 5:45am
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What would you guys pay a red cup lens made out of plastic. ------------- He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless ,still dead. If all else fails ,Read all that is PRINTED. |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2015 at 10:48am
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Sir: Ray says: We have a lens still in original box. Part no 0070212763. Thanks 785-353-2392
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Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2015 at 1:18pm
 I finally stumbled across the tail light I remembered having. As you can see it is all there. The case is a little bent but no rust holes. I can see two cracks in the red glass ring without taking the lamp apart. The white glass lens has the face chipped but it is not broken. I would consider it to be a restorable complete assembly. For Sale As is, as found. $25 plus postage |
Posted By: Crewchief
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2015 at 5:44pm
------------- 1952 B 1950 Ferguson TO-2O |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 4:19pm
| Tail lamp SOLD pending payment |
Posted By: Scott B
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 5:13pm
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I'm curious, and a bit of a broad question, can anyone think of any other AC parts like this that are hard to come across and rare? Be great to have a mental list ready when we find ourselves I out at auctions and various places. ------------- D17 Series 1 Allis B- 1939 Allis B- 1945 |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 5:23pm
| That would be nice to have! I just found out a CA wide front end is one of those things. |
Posted By: Bill Deppe/AC Salvag
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 10:55pm
| Have a couple mounting brackets, NOS, item number 10 in the parts list |
Posted By: kak54486
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2016 at 2:17pm
| I am currently in need of this light does anybody have any they want to part with |
Posted By: Jacob (WI,ND)
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2018 at 7:01pm
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I'm going to bring this old thread back to the top instead of starting a new one. I have been briefly looking into finding the original red cylinder glass lens, as well as the clear flat glass lens. From what I have read and hear, no one is making reproductions of these lenses to go into the original housings. I have one of each of the original lenses, and have been measuring them up and researching replacement options. I believe if one waits long enough the clear flat lens may be able to be found, as red examples are easy to find. They were used in old automotive applications. The Clear version is much more rare though. At this time I am holding out to find an original. The red cylinder glass lens is significantly harder to find, because as far as I know no other application used this glass. I believe I have come up with a workable solution to this problem, and I am going to try my hand at making a red glass replacement like the original. NOT plastic. If my plan works, I'll let you know and may provide some for sale. If I fail, I may share so you can all get a good chuckle, LOL!  Sometimes one has to think outside the box for workable solutions... If anyone has other info, I'd love to hear about it. ------------- Jacob Swanson 1920 6-12; 1925,1926 20-35 longfenders; 1925,1926 15-25's; 1927,1929 20-35 shortfenders; C; B's; IB; WC's; WD; WD45 |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 17 Mar 2018 at 7:37pm
This is the best of the two B/C taillights that I have available. from what I can see there are no cracks in either lens and only minimal rust on the housing. I also have a few other housing that are not as good and some clear lenses but the only other red lens is broken. I am currently working a deal on my entire stock of B/C parts and would like to see where that goes first before this light would be for sale. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: sandman2234
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 9:54pm
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Back to the top so DakotaSteve can see what one looks like. David from jax ------------- A proud member of the Allis Express movement! Northeast Florida |
Posted By: Acmichael
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 10:00pm
| Let me know would be interested in one of the lights. Thanks |
Posted By: DakotaSteve
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 10:05pm
| Thanks! This was a really good read, Thanks David. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 10:27pm
| creston you might have had a 12 volt bulb in there instead of a6 v |
Posted By: cjallis
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 10:34pm
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I didn't realize this light is rare. I have one on mine thought it was aftermarket. Glad I kept on to it despite a minor chip in the red cup part. I do need a gasket though for mine! |
Posted By: DakotaSteve
Date Posted: 06 May 2018 at 10:36pm
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I would think a fella could cut a gasket out of a neoprene or silicone rubber easy enough.... I think these are the same work light on the B and C. |