off color baler question
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Topic: off color baler question
Posted By: aaronac1
Subject: off color baler question
Date Posted: 25 May 2015 at 10:16pm
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I have new Holland s68 baler that u pull with a 170 if that makes my question ok. I think I might be out of time a little because my bales are tight on one side and loose one the other. Does anyone know the right way to set the timing since the local dealer will not tell me how. They want . My to bring it in. Thanks guys... Aaron Phillips ------------- Wd-45 D-17s4 170 185 190xt 7045 8070 |
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Posted By: BradRisen
Date Posted: 26 May 2015 at 12:48am
| Is the two - coil spring Hand turned Tension Bar Cranks on the end of the Bale Chamber,adjusted exactly the same ?? These two Hand -cranks is the Adjustment for your Bale density, Sounds like one side is tighter ,than the other, next time you bale with it ,the side of the bale that is loose, Tighten that crank about 5 complete Revolutions , then bale another bale or two , and check to see if that String is any Tighter . |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 26 May 2015 at 1:11am
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Another possibility is the loose side may have lost one or more of the wedges along the side of the bale chamber. Really the only way to fix it is to buy a new Hesston beeline baler. lol ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 26 May 2015 at 6:47am
| My dad had a NH 68 baler for years. He bought it new in the 1960's? and it always made a lop-sided bale. He tried everything possible but nothing fixed it totally. I think it's just something you have to live with on them. |
Posted By: Dusty MI
Date Posted: 26 May 2015 at 6:59am
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There are tines on an arm that push the hay into the bale chamber. Perhaps they need adjusting to get the amount of hay equal in both sides of the chamber. Dusty ------------- 917 H, '48 G, '65 D-10 series III "Allis Express" |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 26 May 2015 at 7:11am
| The tines Dusty talked about is the problem. If you need more hay on left side move tinec to the right. They also ware off and brake off. There is a steel set that has a spring that could be missing. MACK |
Posted By: aaronac1
Date Posted: 26 May 2015 at 8:03am
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The the tines are all there ------------- Wd-45 D-17s4 170 185 190xt 7045 8070 |
Posted By: scott
Date Posted: 26 May 2015 at 9:00am
| You need a bigger windrow. My NH 66 does the same thing if fed a small windrow. Cover 2/3 of the pickup head and keep your hand on the power director lever. The spring pinchers are for fine tuning but wont compensate for not enough coming in to fill the bale chamber. Do you rake two rake widths into one row? |
Posted By: VFDfireman
Date Posted: 26 May 2015 at 12:17pm
IIRC the tines are different length. You will need to move them around. IIRC the longest tines should be in the middle of the set. Back in the day our NH 268 pulled by our wd45 created the straightest bales in the county. We'd bale circles around any other baler too. I absolutely hated working for the neighbor driving their IH M with a JD banana maker behind it. |
aaronac1 wrote:Posted By: albatros_3
Date Posted: 26 May 2015 at 12:24pm
| It doesn't sound like the timing if both knotters are working fine. Like others have said, check the bale wedges, hay dogs, and the feeder tines. What side is the loose side, the inside or the outside? |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 26 May 2015 at 6:05pm
| Don't forget to check the hay dog springs... 2 fingers that stick down into the bale chamber, just under the knotters. They have a habit of rusting halfway and breaking after that... |
Posted By: aaronac1
Date Posted: 26 May 2015 at 6:50pm
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It never misses a knot and its the outside that is loose ------------- Wd-45 D-17s4 170 185 190xt 7045 8070 |
Posted By: rw
Date Posted: 26 May 2015 at 9:49pm
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If it is the uncut side of the bale you may be driving too fast or have too big of a windrow. We run a 315 NH in front of a 1034 stackliner bale wagon. It took forever for us to figure out how to make bales that the wagon will stack properly. I did not think the wagon would stack bales till we broke the PTO shaft and had the neighbor bring in a Hesston B line baler that always fills both sides even. I owned the New Holland so I set my mind to make it bale a stackable bale. The tines that fill the chamber can affect how much hay is on each side of the bale. To put more hay on the uncut side of the bale move the tines to the right, I know that seems backwards but the tines push a bigger chunk of hay into the chamber and that tends to fill it equally on the cut and uncut side. Also driving speed and windrow size and plunger strokes per minute affect bale shape. Our baler will make and tie bales that tend to be too long on the cut side if we drive one gear too fast. Windrows that have multiple swaths raked together tend to make windrows that vary more in size over the length of the field. we try to avoid putting more than 2 mower widths together. In a light crop we run a faster gear and less plunger strokes. Im not sure if it would be OK on your older baler but running over pto speed is allowed on our baler. Don't overlook the condition and fit of the knife and plunger. If these are not up to snuff you will have problems. That is probably why the dealer wants the baler in the shop because all that stuff has to be right. Balers tends to get a little wear in a lot of places then adds to a bad experience. rw |
Posted By: albatros_3
Date Posted: 27 May 2015 at 7:46am
| If the hay dogs and their springs are in good shape, then the feeder tines are not loading the hay far enough into the chamber and packing more hay on the inside of the chamber than the outside. You can either adjust by adjusting the feeder tines or try to pick up most of the windrow closer the the plunger side of the pickup. The best advice is to buy an operator's manual for the baler. It's the best thing I ever did for my 269. Just small adjustments here and there make a big difference in the bale quality. |
Posted By: GWS
Date Posted: 27 May 2015 at 8:13am
| Balers are like combines - they work best when run at full capacity. You need to double up the windrows, then you'll pack the bale chamber full with each plunger stroke. And make sure the hand-crank tensioners at the rear of the bale chamber are even. |
Posted By: VFDfireman
Date Posted: 27 May 2015 at 10:07am
| When we ran our 268 we would always count the threads showing on the tesioners to make sure they were even. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 27 May 2015 at 10:24am
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My 270 did this until I found the coil springs were broken on one side for the........ I think others are referring to them as hay dogs. I believe there is a set top and bottom. So looking at the parts on line it looks like it takes 4 springs. 2 on top and 2 on the bottom. They go on what NH calls the plunger dogs. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 27 May 2015 at 10:26am
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You have to clean the old hay and crud away on top to even see them. They rust away because they aren't kept clean. I blow my baler off after every crop and keep it inside with the chamber empty of hay too. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 27 May 2015 at 11:02am
| the packing fingers need to be moved toget the hay allthe way to the other side of the bale chamber also if the windrows are light use ahigher gear to bring the ground speed up while maintianing the strokes per minet on the baler to keep the baler full those balers made the best bales and were adjustable for every hay condition also check knife clearance and sharpness that makes funney shaped bales |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 27 May 2015 at 8:42pm
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I had a broken spring on one or two of the hay dogs on my 273 along with a lot of old hay and chaff crammed underneath the dogs. Cleaned it and replaced the bad springs and it made a world of difference. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |