Largest Allis corn planter you have seen
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Topic: Largest Allis corn planter you have seen
Posted By: WD45
Subject: Largest Allis corn planter you have seen
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 8:17pm
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The largest Allis Chalmers corn planter that you have seen, operated or owned. ------------- Fred Dunlop, G,B,CA, WC,WF, 3 WD45`s,gas, diesel and LP,U,D10 series III, D12,D14,D15 SERIES II,D17 Series IV in Gas and Diesel ,D19 GAS and D21,170 185,210 ,220 an I-600 8070 fwd, 716H and 1920H |
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Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 8:19pm
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I have seen a 12r30 front fold and a 16r30 front fold bar painted blue with Kinze units. Both were on dealers lots. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 8:47pm
| If you count in pictures then 24 rows. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 9:24pm
Allis Chalmers corn planter ?  ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Unit3 wrote:Posted By: Skyhighballoon(MO)
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 9:35pm
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Charlie - might have been Allis planter frames retrofitted with Kinze units? I too am curious. Mike
------------- 1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex 1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330 1969 180 gas 1965 D17 S-IV gas 1963 D17 S-III gas 1956 WD45 gas NF PS 1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin 303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 9:37pm
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Yes, both were AC bars. The 12r30 was AC orange and AC units. I remember they both had a huge hydraulic stacks with a million hoses running from them down on the hitch. I would love to see a 24r30 bar and also to watch it unfold. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: SLee(IA)
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 9:44pm
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In mid 80's I saw a Kinze? toolbar with 16 Allis 78 units. Not sure if toolbar was Kinze or other. Question for Lynn Marshall. Wasn't some one in your area building planter toolbars back in that time. Steve
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Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 9:55pm
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Is his town Paton, Iowa? ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: SLee(IA)
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 9:57pm
| Yes |
Posted By: JET8070
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 10:24pm
| 24r30 DA385 front fold 390 bar. True flat land planter. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 11:17pm
| I have an 8-38 3-pt with end transport, I've only seen up to 24 row in a pic. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 11:20pm
| don't know what brand this one was, but in the 70's, saw a 36 row planter being set down into a field by Fremont Ne. was carried by a helicopter, tractor was already in the field ready to be hooked up! stopped and watched for awhile. |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 14 May 2015 at 11:57pm
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There are a few 3800 Kinze 36r30 planters around us. If I counted right, they have 30 tires to keep aired up. Not orange, but still a sight to behold. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 1:37am
| the new planters of today are horribly expensive to buy and upkeep is also horrible! all the wiring, hoses, hyd's, tires, computers, connectors, meters! every year they hafta start 2 onths ahead of planting to do maintance, replace worn stuff (just a year old), clean all contacts, lube, re-adjust, replace cracked wires (mouse chewed too), clean tubes, replace most all bearings, fix tires, re-program putters/monitors! give me an old plate type planter any day...grease, clean drop tubes, match seed to plates, air up a tire, and go! takes maybe 1 hour if you work slow! I put 2 brand new tires on my 6-row last year, I see they are still holding air just fine! should last another 10 years! I paid $600 for this planter some 20-25 years ago, it has cost me about that in repairs since I bought it, and my corn/bean stands is just as good as the stands those $100,000+ planters do! mine came with a monitor, but only used it 1 year. everyone always coments of what a nice stand I have, they ask what kind of planter is use? when I say and old AC planted...I get the deer eyes in the headlights looks! |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 8:08am
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LOL Deere Eyes. Good one Shameless. One thing you forgot was the GPS one todays planters. Last year, I bought the Omnistar package for our corn planter tractor. $800 and it worked good. This year I ran it on WAS free signal along with the planter maker. Still ran good. I had to nudge it at times to keep the mark straight, but I still have my $800. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 8:55am
| yeah...I did fergits the GPS! have ya seen....well I have anyway...a lot of people buying this precision stuff for planting and field mapping, and drive straight stuff...and GPS...and then the next year or 2 they are trying to sell the stuff and re-coop some of their money? I've been seeing a lot of that the last 4-5 years! hope yours keeps up Unit3! |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 9:02am
| one of the neighbors has one of them big bulb lookin things on top of the cabs of his tractor and combine...dunno what all it does...but probably does what he should know about his fields anyway! I know where all the bad spots are in my fields...I don't need to spend $10,000. to remind me! |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 9:21am
| back in the 80's pal of mine bought an 8550 with 12 row planter It razed up and turned 90 degrees to tow it down the road. |
Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 9:41am
Not really Allis related. Vaugn Bauer did start making his own planter tool bars in Paton,Iowa ,probably in the 80's. Using the name of Bauer Built,they were a bare bar painted in whatever color the customer wanted. The customer then added whatever units he desired.Later,Bauer went into a joint venture with Deere to produce the DB line of planters.These were fully assembled planters, made in Paton at a new factory. These planters were up to 36 and even 48 row models. 120 foot tool bars!! Bauer recently sold the factory to Deere and has since,built another new factory just north of the old one.He is making specialty planters for Deere in the new facility. This one has 72 units on a 60 foot frame. Oh yes,the largest Allis planter that I have seen was at a show in Kansas City. It was a 24 row model and was quite impressive for its day.   
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Posted By: 8050/8030/185
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 11:13am
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Allis Chalmers 390 At the 1981 FPS Demo'd it for AC. Largest in the world at that time with 24 rows. There were only two put together at that time. I had the show one at the FPS and the other was at the Gleaner factory in MO. Got to know a lot of great AC Corp. people. It was 3 yrs before anyone else had a 24 row planter. It was numbered 390 because it would plant 390 acres in one day. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 11:20am
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In 1977 on my way to work one day, I saw 2 green and yellow 24 row corn planters at Norris Farms near Lewistown, Il. They might have been the first 24 row planters as Norris Farms was a place JD did experimental work. I don't believe these were production models! ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 12:23pm
| how is that thing transported ? does the maintaince staff have on board cabins ? |
Posted By: Steve Bright
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 1:01pm
| Neighbor has a 12/30 AC planter, hasn't been used for a few years now |
Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 1:44pm
| Mike, as large as that planter is in the pictures, it is ''only '' on a 60 foot bar. The DB 120 is twice as wide. It doesn't have as many units but it is still twice as big. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 2:08pm
| Fall (Sept) of 1980 unveiled the new 24-row model A-C 390 planter at FPS in Nevada, Iowa. The frame was a Carmaco and the units were #78 AirChamp. |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 5:32pm
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There used to be a 24 row here in Iowa just west of the intersection of hwy 9 and 63. They used it until a few years ago and updated it with a newer planter. It was advertised for a few months before it was sold. I would have loved to buy it just as a collectable but my All-Crops already take up too much shed space! lol I do remember seeing it folded up and in the field, it was an impressive sight. Were they the first 24 row planter? ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: 8050/8030/185
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 5:36pm
| The 390 needed a seed tender wagon to fill all 24 of those boxes, which had not been made yet. Also a plus showing the 390 was to meet Loretta and Moonie Lynn. We had to change the axles on the 390 at the FPS because the tires were rubbing the frame. If that wasn't a fun job at 0600 in the morning. That was also the year that the N series Combine made the JD 8820 look like junk in the field. The N was cruising with a 12 row and the 8820 had to set stakes to see if it moved with a 12 row head. A neighbor bought the 7000 series that was atop the silo there at Nevada. The electro hydraulic switches to run the Carmaco bar was interesting. And was told at that time it took the 7080 that I was using at the show or the 7580 to pull the 390. Those were the days! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 5:37pm
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The Deeres I saw may have been 2 12's put together but there were 2 of them with 24 rows and it was the spring of 77. Deere didn't go to production of 24 rows till after Allis though. According to what I have read, Deere didn't have a production 12 or 16 till 79. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 5:42pm
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I've seen a 12/30 something or other Allis with AC air units that our neighbor had bought new back in the early 80's. Dad and him used to rent land from the same guy and they would rotate the acres. Dad would have a certain 80 and this guy had the other 80 and switch 80s every other year. Dad also rented another 80 from the same land owner that never got rotated. That's the biggest Allis planter I've ever seen in person. The 80's took him out of business after he helped take out the local AC dealer and fertilizer/seed dealer. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: SLee(IA)
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 6:07pm
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Thanks Lynn. Bauer Built. Now I remember. Wonder if those DB planters were what Harry Stine was using for his ultra narrow row corn? Steve
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Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 9:51pm
| I remember when I was young of only one farmer around here had a 24 row. I remember being amazed at that going through the field. At the time all we had was a six row and I kept asking Dad,"Why don't we get one of them?" His response was,," we couldn't afford it, and if we could, we couldn't work ground fast enough in front of it anyway." We now run a 16-32 kinze and I have no idea how he ever got anything done planting 1000 acres of beans and corn... All the big farmers around here now have at least 1 24 row planter...hell I used to think 12 was huge |
Posted By: Mike Kroupa
Date Posted: 15 May 2015 at 10:03pm
Just for the record Kinze mfg. introduced their Rear Folding planter in 1975 in various row spacing widths and toolbar widths to 60'. The first one were JD green w/jd 7000 units, next was the red painted toolbar w/kinze units and the last ones were blue toolbar w/kinze units. Very simple and unique design as it did not require hyd. power for folding or unfolding. Everybody else at the time was using Donahue type trailers for transport. Local White dealer in the mid eighties sold several of the 40' Carmaco Bars and installed white row units on them. We had 3 of the RF's through the years with the last being this 24rn. http://s242.photobucket.com/user/mwkroupa/media/2008harvestpictures064.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 16 May 2015 at 10:32am
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I ran a 36 row DB planter once... now that was interesting. still prefer the 190 with a 7000 behind it! got a 8 row Allis in the weeds I need to fix up... ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 16 May 2015 at 3:49pm
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I lot of folks in the Central Nebraska area that jumped on the 24-36 row bandwagon, are selling and going back to 16 rows, just too many fences, and point rows. You spend twice the time turning around, than you do planting. I also think it is a sign of the times, when the seed company that leases our ground, pulls in with two big huge Red tractors, each with 12 row planters, and sits for an hour programming all the gadgets. I know our old JD 7000 6 row, was slow, but we pulled in checked a couple things, and wham.....started planting. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 16 May 2015 at 9:34pm
Mike, just had to share, I finally figured out how to fold the rf Kinze. First I back up so the caster wheels point out ahead. Then I pinned the caster wheel and it folds driving straight ahead in 50'. I would love to show it on YouTube. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 17 May 2015 at 8:41am
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That big JD is a 72 row with sort of paired rows, neighbor got one this spring, is kind of a joint venture with Stine Seeds, they put out a few for seed population and row spacing testing, I know they planted some corn from 25000 seeds per acre up to 50000 seeds, they got some kind of a deal with Stine. ------------- 1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner) |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 17 May 2015 at 8:56am
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oh yeah, I've read about that. supposed to be twin rows that are 8 inches apart then 20 from the next set if I remember right. seems like a awful good way to spend more on seed. I bet if I wanted to I could turn the old Allis into one that would do just as good.... wouldn't they crap themselves! ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 17 May 2015 at 2:08pm
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The one they have is 8 inches between paired row and then 12 inches between pairs, they have been planting with 36 row 20 inch for probably 15 or 20 years so this is basically a 20 in with another one stuck in. ------------- 1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner) |