Allis 8050 engine build
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Topic: Allis 8050 engine build
Posted By: Peterson
Subject: Allis 8050 engine build
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2015 at 7:47pm
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Well guys, im goin to be posting up some pics of the new engine im putting together for our 8050. She's getting a brand new crank, A series Bosch injection pump, .078 injection lines, 5 hole injectors, Borg Warner s300 turbo and balanced rods and pistons. I have to get the pics uploaded to photobucket later. Still waiting on the block and rods to get back from the machine shop. So just thought I'd start the build thread. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
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Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2015 at 7:55pm
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It actually started as just a head gasket and valve job, but found this... http://s460.photobucket.com/user/17cumminsboy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/NCM_0097_zps0edhreaa.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  So out came the spare block and matching head. Because the head that came off the original engine was off a D21... plus it had 5 original Allis pistons and sleeves, and one aftermarket. So who knows what happened to this poor thing before we bought it. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2015 at 9:23pm
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I'll start off with injector building. All the cleaned and new parts.  I start off with machining out the end nut to the proper size to fit the bigger nozzle tip.  I then machine the tip to fit the head.  Here you can see the difference in the sizes.  They are now the same size tip as the old style allis injectors, don't want to make the nozzles to thin. I have this set up in three other tractors and its been working great. I then relap the mating surfaces so they are flat and true. Here's the intermediate disc.  Here's the finished injector popped to 3800 PSI for the A-pump.  Only thing with these 5 hole tips is you need a different hold down and return line. I'll have to get a pic tomorrow of the hold downs and line kit. But here's a start on the build. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2015 at 6:29am
Here is a pic of the BRAND NEW Allis 426 crankshaft. It is also stamped USA!!! Don't mind the pulley on it, hopefully have found the pulley and damper off a 8070 to put on it. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2015 at 4:54pm
| Nice pictures. Amazing how you do that work on the injectors |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2015 at 5:07pm
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Thanks! I like fiddling with the lathe. lol Here's some more pics of parts. USA stamped crank.  A-pump set at 135cc's of fuel and the drive hub.   Its timed to start of injection just like the AmBac pump. It also has the same style throttle as the AmBac too. Here's the straight .078 lines.  And here is the hold downs compared to the original ones.  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2015 at 5:57pm
Good pics, keep them coming,enjoying your thread. 
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Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2015 at 7:15pm
| I like seeing your 426 rebuild & photos - thanks. What hp do you expecting? |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2015 at 7:17pm
| What causes a block to crack like that - age, overheating, tension stress (over-torqued) ?? |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2015 at 7:17pm
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Shooting for 210-220 hp when its all said and done. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2015 at 7:21pm
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Seeing that it had a different piston in number one and it wasn't the original head, my guess is that it dropped a valve at high RPM and she really jammed it up and over. It also had a older cam in it with the cam driven oil pump gear on it, plus all the lobes on the cam were flaked off... but who really knows. Only if the tractor could talk. Lol ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2015 at 7:23pm
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O and also, half of the rings were broken in it too! Funny thing is that it didn't use oil, didn't have abnormal blowby and she had 210 hp when we had the torque limiter redone at the dealer. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2015 at 7:52pm
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calculates to 230 hp. Stock 8070 model 100 pump spec is 100cc, so 35% over on fuel delivery should be close to 35% more hp, at 229.5. Test injectors differ slightly, but we're talking estimates. You say set at 135cc at rated rpm of 2400? Are the injector hold downs from FVP?
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2015 at 7:59pm
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Rpm of 2400. Set to what a 8070 is for rpm. I actually had a set from FVP and had a local machine shop water jet me out a few sets. Lots cheaper that FVP. We have our 220's A-pump at 140cc and its got 220hp at rated PTO speed. So with the bigger hydro pumps on the 8000 series I was guessing alittle less. But we will see. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: aras
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2015 at 6:38am
| Out of curiosity who puts the ends on your injection lines? |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2015 at 6:40am
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Scheid Diesel makes up my lines. Can get them other places, but they have the best prices I've found. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2015 at 7:10am
| If you don't use a NEW damper on front of crank, you may have wasted alot of money on alot of new parts. If you need some new big pin rods, I can make you a real good deal on a set. MACK |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2015 at 7:15am
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Well this is the new style damper that is machined for the front washer that pilots into it. But im trying to locate the silicone style damper off a 8070 or 7080 to put on it. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2015 at 7:17am
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Shoulda told me ya had new rods before Mack!! Lol just had these original ones rebushed. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Jordan(OH)
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2015 at 8:26am
| Does the inline pump also spin engine rpm? |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2015 at 8:27am
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No half of engine speed. Just like the old roosamaster. Need to put the idler gear and pump gear from a 7000 series engine. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Sam T-Ga
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2015 at 9:07am
| Does the A-pump bolt up without any grinding on block or pump? I bolt pattern close to Rossa pump? |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2015 at 9:09am
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No grinding on anything, just need to bore out the pump hole on the front plate to 85mm and weld the old holes shut. Then drill the 4 holes for the A-pump. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: IndianaBuckeye
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2015 at 10:32am
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Great pictures and information. You make it look so easy! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2015 at 6:56pm
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Ok guys get this, I had the front plate bored to the correct size and the holes welded shut. For some reason Allis had the pump hole for the ambac pump lower than the roosamaster. So when i went to put the pump gear on for mock up it rubs on the aluminum front cover ever so slightly... Just looking at the front plate you couldn't tell that it was lower. So I ordered a front plate from downing tractor parts to bore that one out and use. One could use the 8000 series plate if you would grind a bit on it to clear but I'd rather not do that for our tractor. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2015 at 7:06pm
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Yeah it actually is pretty easy, IF you understand how the injector itself works, how the injection pump works and how the engine itself works. I've read on the internet, watched at the local dealer, watched at a injection shop and watched videos/tutorials on injection systems. It actually is pretty fun messing around with things like this. Been taking stuff apart on the farm since I could turn a wrench. Lol ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 10:13am
Here's a pic of a set of FVP injector hold downs with the return line on our 220.  The return line will look just like this but the hold downs that I will be using are just 3/8" thick steel cut with a water jet. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 6:56pm
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Here's some pics of the turbo mockup on the old engine. http://s460.photobucket.com/user/17cumminsboy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/NCM_0116_zpsaylgheqa.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Pic of the S300 turbo http://s460.photobucket.com/user/17cumminsboy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/NCM_0117_zpsy0eksxze.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  And finally a pic of the injection lines, then need to be clamped together and tweaked alittle, but you get the picture. Lol http://s460.photobucket.com/user/17cumminsboy/media/Mobile%20Uploads/NCM_0118_zpsfdyywcyp.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  Damn i hate bending lines!!! Try to make them look halfway decent... ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 6:58pm
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O also guys, if your wanting to mount a A-pump on your tractor, get the adapter plate and hub from Mr. Kcgrain on this forum. He put Lotsa time into that adapter. I would have bought one from him for this but I had this drive hub along time. So figured I'd use it. He also has injection lines too. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2015 at 9:54pm
Well guys, Finally got the rest of the engine back from the machine shop. Now to balance the rods and pistons. Then Assemble it!!! WOO-HOO!!!!! Here's a pic of the finished lines. I will be making a little brace to go from the clamp to the block. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2015 at 12:08am
| Man oh man that looks factory. You should be very proud of your work. When can i send you up my 8070???? |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2015 at 7:01am
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Thanks!!! I appreciate the kind words!!! And you can send it up whenever!! lol I wouldn't mind getting in to doin engine rebuilds for ya guys! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2015 at 5:28pm
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Got the other front engine plate back today. Got the 3 other holes drilled and the top ground out for the rack cap. The bottom left hole in pic will need a very short headed bolt to clear the idler gear inside the front cover.  And why I say other 3 holes drilled is because the top right hole is one that's factory for the roosamaster. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: studer automotive
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2015 at 9:25pm
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I think 210-220 is a little light on the hp estimate. With the S300 & upgraded pump, injectors& bigger lines it should be around 240-ish..... ------------- a-c 185-d y/r cab turbo soon 99 f-250 7.3 4x4 86 mustang5.0 owned since 8/93 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2015 at 9:41pm
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Bigger lines do nothing for HP. Injectors will flow about the same amount of fuel. Hp will depend on the injection pump and turbo. Turbo because you will be getting a cooler more dense air charge, and pump because of more fuel. Seeing that our 220 has pretty much the same setup but it has 140cc of fuel, she is at 220 HP at 1000 PTO rpm. So seeing that the hydro pump of the 8000 series take more HP, im guessing around 210-220. But I guess we will see. When its back together, I will be taking it for a drive to the local dealer and put it on the dyno. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2015 at 9:44pm
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And according to KcGrain, a 140HP pump from a deere will give the 426 190HP. So if Ed would chime in on how many CC's a 4450 or whatever deere that's 140 hp we could figure it out. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2015 at 9:47am
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well, a stock 4440 which is a 466 is 98cc @ 2200rpm, and that should make for a 130 pto hp. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2015 at 10:11am
Rods balanced within 3-4 grams of each other. The were 25-30 grams difference... ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2015 at 2:05pm
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What's your method for balancing connecting rods? Not trying to pry, I'm just curious. I've never done it. I really enjoy seeing & reading what you share - thank you. Please keep it coming... |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2015 at 3:17pm
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get a gram scale and balance both ends. Takes lots of time. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2015 at 9:56pm
| Keep posting. I'm very interested in seeing the progress |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2015 at 8:19am
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Sorry I haven't posted a update guys, been working on the engine, but haven't had time to take many pics, I will get some uploaded later today or tomorrow. Got the head torqued down, and the engine painted yesterday. Prolly put it in tomorrow, got to run to town and get a few little things for the farm today. More updates to come. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 8:37pm
Almost ready to put in the tractor. Just need to get a few little things that didn't come in the kit. Here's a few pics of the progress.  Also have been doing alittle filter crossing and came up with this CAT filter for the By-pass. Its only $12 bucks at the local Cat dealer. Instead of $20 bucks for the Agco filter. And this is what my brother has been doing. Took up the mat and cleaned all the old dirt and who knows what else. lol here's a pic.  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: dpower
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 8:39pm
| what a nice brother! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 8:49pm
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Lol he did it to the one he drives, the 8030, now the 8070 needs it done too. Poor things are slowly rotting away... ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 8:55pm
| What's the micron rating on that Cat filter??? I doubt that it's as fine/small as the AGCO luberfiner filter. |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 9:22pm
| I'll agree with you there DR. It cracks me up everyday when people get aftermarket filters cuz they are cheaper. Odds are its for a good reason. Equipment is designed to run a certain micron filter. I prooved it this winter and its been prooved in our shop at the case IH dealer. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 9:36pm
| The AC luberfiner filter is a low volume, very fine micron, intended to extend oil change intervals. A filter that is larger micron won't accomplish the intent of the luberfiner design. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 10:05pm
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What's the micron rating of the Agco filter? And is that rating single or multi pass. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Mike Kroupa
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 10:06pm
| I ran the Donaldson equivalent to the CAT filter on our 8050-70's for many thousands of hours and never had a problem and yes it is a 20 micron full flow filter. I do see you left the restrictor on coming off the oil cooler which is good. I really feel the extra oil capacity was the main idea behind the extra filter. We've used Delvac 15-40 since it's conception and at that time changed @ 100-125 hrs. Not trying to argue Doc as I see your point also. You've got a great project going , keep us posted. Mike |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 10:09pm
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I like the crack about aftermarket filters too. You really think Case Ih or agco make there own filters? And CAT filters are not "aftermarket" ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 10:13pm
| I don't think ANY manufacturer actually makes their own filters, but they do set the specs and oft times will-fit filters are not spec'd exactly the same. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 10:25pm
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Also, seeing this is the PRIMARY oil filter and only filter on the Cat D6D Dozer of ours with a oil change interval of 250 hours. I feel that having this as the By-pass filter on a tractor that has its oil and primary filters changed at 60-70 hours and by-pass filter at 120-140 hours will be more just as good as the "FACTORY" filter. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2015 at 5:41pm
Well, got it bolted up to the Bellhousing today. Got the turbo and injection lines on too. Got the frame rails all cleaned up and ready to put on. That's tomorrows job. On this pic, you can see that you have to grind out alittle on the front plate for the rack cap. Still is sealed good by the gasket. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2015 at 10:05pm
| Why do you have the injectors in 1/4 turn off? Unless the tips are drilled to be in 1/4 off you will loose power , smoke, and be hard to start. MACK |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2015 at 10:06pm
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5 hole Mack tips need to be turn a 1/4 turn to be correct. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2015 at 10:08pm
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These are stock tips from a Mack injector, many guys use them in the IH injectors. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2015 at 7:55am
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Sorry for no update guys, been working on it off and on. Got the throttle to work like factory. Got a new cable for it and had the adjust the linkage under the console to idle the engine properly and shut it off too. Been trying to do alittle field work also. Also took the front pivot off the front axle to have built up and remachined to spec. Plus ordered new hardened washers and bushings for it also. Should hopefully have that back by next week. Got new hoses made for the oil cooler up front also. Might as well do it while its readily accessible. Also not goin to put the fuel tanks on right away, going to pressure wash the whole thing underneath when it gets pulled outside. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Andrew(southernIL)
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2015 at 8:48am
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I like the CAT filters have read a lot of good about them. Even put the conversion kit on my Duramax to run the CAT fuel filter. Also like the thread you got going here. ------------- If fishing is a sport your looking at an athlete |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2015 at 10:20am
| No, already knew that filters are made by outside sources. Just saying that aftermarket filters aren't the same micron rating. Had a customer put a wix filter on a mx240. Brand new filter and engine would missfire under load and throw fault codes. Put the right OEM filter on it and it ran just fine. And have 4 duramax trucks at home. All winter long they would push half a quart of oil out the side of the filter on cold starts. Put the OEM filters on and it quit. Filters were to restrictive, and all that does is either open the bypass or starv the system. Just because it fits doesn't make it right. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2015 at 6:43am
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Sounds like improper installation to me. Like someone not oiling the o-ring on the top of the filter before you put it on, and not being able to tighten the filter on all the way on. If you really think that Baldwin, Fleetguard, Cat, WIX, CARQUEST, NAPA filers are bad. Better go tell the thousands of farmers, truckers, loggers that they better put on OEM filters otherwise its going to wreck the engine! ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2015 at 7:12am
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Aftermarkets can be fine if they are the right type and micron. Many come out of the same building but if the microns are wrong you can mess up your engine. Fram used to be absolutely no good no matter if the microns were right or wrong but it's been years since I cut one up to see it's guts. 20 years ago they were glued together inside and every one we cut apart in mechanics school had come apart at the seam and they had far fewer pleats than an OEM filter, so no, not all filters are built the same. I don't care what claims ares made. I'd cut it apart first to prove that they are the equivalent. Glued seamed vs metal crimped seams, twice as many pleats means a whole lot more filter area. It all ads up sometimes to you get what you pay for. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Carl(NWWI)
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2015 at 7:21am
| All comes down to the micron rating. If the micron rating isn't the same you can have problems. Seen time and time again. Its like trying to breathe through a or sraw or a 1" hose. One is a lot easier then the other. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2015 at 7:23am
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filters are built by other companies to the oem company's specs. Not all cross referenced filters are exactly the same. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2015 at 10:05am
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Hey Dr.Allis the luberfiner filter LFP3191 that the agco filter crosses to, They list that to cross over to this 1r-0739 also. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2015 at 3:04pm
| How lucky for you then. By sheer dumb luck the numbers supposedly interchange. It's pretty clear that you did no prior research on this matter except finding something that fit the threaded base. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2015 at 3:06pm
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Actually no, I did cross fleetguard numbers. Then found a Cat filter that fit. So no dumb luck here. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2015 at 3:30pm
| Dadgum! That looks great! I can only imagine how complicated those engines are! I'll admit I thought engine rebuilding was easy after I completed my Ford 8N, but now that I think about it, it's a 4 cylinder flat head and it couldn't hold a candle to what you have done! Great job and keep the pics coming! And maybe post a video of the first start-up! |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2015 at 5:21pm
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Thanks man!!! Here's some more progress as of today. Had to get a different reman water pump. The other one had the hub pushed on to far and the pulley would rub. So got a different one and it fits good.  Here's the return line that's tee'd together.  Pump fittings and throttle.  Here's from underneath, see the throttle cable bracket I made.  Top view.  And the injector return line by the injectors. And no its not touching the valve cover.  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2015 at 5:26pm
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Also I've had it running to set up the throttle. I pre-oiled the turbo and cranked it over until I had oil pressure then I fired it up. Didn't take many revolutions until its started. I will get a video when I get it ready to pull out of the shop. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 4:03pm
Got alittle more done today. Waiting on the front pivot for the axle yet. Hopefully be able to pull it out of the shop by the weekend.  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: JPG AUSTRALIA
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 6:04pm
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Lookin good! Great job
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Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 7:07pm
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CAT filters are made by Donaldson, but they are made to CAT specs. The dDonaldson branded filter is NOT the same as the CAT filter. CAT filters are made to much tighter specs. The 1r0739 is the filter for the medium duty line.....3116 and 3126 use this filter. The high efficiency version is 1r1808 and that is made for the ACERT medium duty like the C7 ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2015 at 7:09pm
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Our D6D Cat dozer with the 3306 takes the 1r0739 also. 1r1808 is the almost the same filter, just a finer micron rating. The 0739 is the standard efficiency filter, 1808 is the Advanced efficiency, therealso is a ultra high efficiency filter also but I dont have that part number. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2015 at 7:09pm
Got more done today. Front axle installed, turbo intake and exhaust made up to fit factory locations, hood and grill on. Couple little things to go an she will be ready for field work!!    The welds look better in person than in the pictures. lol ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2015 at 7:12pm
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Also I will be stuffing that radiator surround with foam! Incase ya'll were wondering. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2015 at 11:44pm
| Peterson, I've enjoyed reading about your progress on the 8050. Is it back in the field yet? |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2015 at 6:28am
Yes I have had it in the field for a couple days now. Got it done yesterday. Almost forgot to show ya guys this though. If you have ever changed the fuel water separator filter, you'll know why this is awesome! lol Then a few pics of the finished tractor.   Then a pic of her in her work clothes.  Can see the dual on her that we got this spring. Special bands on the duals to work on the step rims. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2015 at 6:39am
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Under a good load, she will pump a good 25 pounds of boost. Also turns the air filter light on. But it did that before with the stock turbo. The air filter is clean also. I've been looking for a 8070 air cleaner to put on it. Hopefully I can find one reasonably priced. But all in all I really like the pump and turbo upgrade. Seems so much more responsive than before. I want to get the rings seated and then take it to the local dealer for a dyno test. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Lynn Marshall
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2015 at 6:54am
| Has the front axle been moved forward on this rig? Also, what have you changed on the weight rack to move it forward? Looks good and I bet the performance is impressive. |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2015 at 7:23am
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Yes I have moved the axle forward on all three of our 8000's. Just moved the rear holes in the axle mount to where the front were, and then drilled the four new holes. I made a bracket that bolts on where the original weight bracket did and moved it about a foot if I remember right. 1" steel front, back and sides with 2 pieces of 3/4" placed on thirds inside the bracket. Pretty easy to make. Plus it seconds as a bumper. Not that use it as one anyway. Just protection for the grill. I can snap a couple pics later today when I go disc. This tractor also has 16.9r28 on the front and 20.8r42's on the rear. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: Kevin in WA
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2015 at 9:11am
| I don't think your head gasket is going to like 25 lbs of boost for very long if you are pulling it steady that way, also what do you have for a radiator? |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2015 at 9:20am
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No im not keeping it at 25 pounds all the time Anyway. It has a newer radiator in it. 5 row 3/4" core with 8 fins per inch. Same as our 8070's. Makes alot of difference. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: LSilseth
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2015 at 10:03am
All We use is CARQUEST. ------------- MN FARM BOY Luke www.silsethfamilyfarm.com |
peterson wrote:Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 6:22pm
Here's some pics of the front weight bracket spacer.    Then we cut the rear pivot for the 2wd axle. I just cut the front one off when I put the engine in. Much easier to slide the front axle under.  ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 8:36pm
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peterson. have you got a 185 140hp?? just readin the stuff below the pictures... what have u done to it? ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 8:39pm
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Yeah but that was the last time it was dynoed, with the stock pump turned up with 7080 tips and a hx35. It has a Dm4629 on it now turned up with 7080 tips and a holset he351. Few more horsepower than before. :-) ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 8:51pm
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wow i like it lol any probs.. im sure there could be. some guys down the road have a 180 with a turbo on it runs pretty good. so is that a jd pump on it? iv read some much on this post thought i seen somthing bout a jd pump on somthing i was readin got a d21 needs some help wana do something like this
------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 8:59pm
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No the pump on the 185 is off a uni power unit 426 engine. Got it cheap so I used it. The Deere A-pump is on our 220. Works great but I wish it didn't have the timing retard notches in the plungers in the pump. And no, haven't had any problems with the 185. It has a 649 engine in it from the factory, so its the latest and greatest 301. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 9:04pm
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ok so the jd pump is on the 220? ok what did u have to do to swap. got a junk 466 outa a 4440 with pump and all on it. how easy is it to make run? ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 9:06pm
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Easiest is to buy the adapter from Kcgrain on here. Pretty easy thatway. If you have the newer Dm roosamaster pump like on the 7000 series. What engine do you have in it? The old 426 that came in the 220? ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 9:12pm
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so would i go wrong tryn to put the 4440 pump on it ? ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 9:15pm
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No that would work fine for a stockish tractor. 4440 pumps have 9 5mm plungers with the timing retard notches. So you couldn't get much over 240-260hp. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 9:17pm
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well i wana still work it and maybe play a little with it so the 240 would be fine with me. ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 9:22pm
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Which engine series do you have? 3500?3500mk2 or 670? Because if its just a 3500 that came in the 220, I dont know if the pump would clear the oil cooler. See our 220 has a 670 from a combine in it. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 9:24pm
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its a 69 model factory motor i cant remember the series on them ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: Peterson
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2015 at 9:33pm
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That should be a 3500 engine. Then im not sure if the A-pump will clear the oil cooler on the side. you wouls have to do some measuring. Also then you couldn't use the adapter from Kcgrain either seeing the the stock 220 pump ont mounts with 3 holes. You would need to take the front plate off the engine and have it bored and drilled for the A-pump. ------------- 7095-685I at 255hp, 8070-225HP,8050-210Hp,8030 with 155HP,220 with 670T engine with A-pump, 7580, 185 with 140HP, 2-6080's,6070, S4 D17,wd45,CA,st34 agco, S1 D17 with 3500MK2 |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 12:46pm
| Bosch A won't clear the oil cooler.Pullers remove cooler. |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 4:52pm
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^^ ya i looked on the 21 today and no room. would it hurt to remove the cooler.? ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2015 at 9:31pm
| A turbocharger puts a lot of extra heat into the engine oil. That oil cooler is there to help counteract that extra heat. It was put there for a reason. |