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Steve Bright ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Martinsville, I Points: 1344 |
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US farmers who sell to China feel pain of Beijing's tariffs![]() DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — China's announcement Monday of higher tariffs on $60 billion of American exports — retaliation for President Donald Trump's latest penalties on Chinese goods — hit particularly hard in the farm belt. China's vast consumer market has been a vital source of revenue for American farmers. Since December, when U.S. and China negotiators called a truce to tariffs and began signaling that an agreement might be reached, soybean farmers had been holding out hope that sales to China would resume, said Todd Hultman, an Omaha-based grain market analyst with agriculture market data provider DTN. In the meantime, the farmers had been storing a record stockpile of nearly 1 billion bushels. The latest news of a new round of tariffs, with no agreement in sight, spooked the financial markets and some farmers who had been tentatively optimistic. "This is hitting the market at a very emotionally distressful time," Hultman said. "The rug of hope was pulled out from under us and especially with the announcement this morning that China is going to retaliate with higher tariffs of their own." In a statement Monday, the American Soybean Association reacted with frustration edged with anxiety. "The sentiment out in farm country is getting grimmer by the day," said John Heisdorffer, a soybean farmer in Keota, Iowa, who is chairman of the ASA. "Our patience is waning, our finances are suffering and the stress from months of living with the consequences of these tariffs is mounting." A slowdown in soybean sales, and the huge stockpiles that result, has a ripple effect. Farmers in many parts of the corn belt have suffered from a wet and cooler spring, which has prevented them from planting corn. Typically when it becomes too late to plant corn, farmers will instead plant soybeans, which can grow later into the fall before harvest is required. Yet now, planting soybeans with the overabundance already in bins and scant hope for sales to one of the biggest buyers in China, could raise the risk of a financial disaster. "This is the fifth year of low prices, basically, for crops," Hultman said. "I think time is just wearing us out." To Brent Gloy of Grant, Nebraska, many farmers like him appear to be facing only bleak alternatives for planting. "There's just not a lot people can do," Gloy said. "You're looking at late corn planting through part of the corn belt. They would normally go to soybeans. Man it's just a mess." On Monday, Trump told reporters that a new program to relieve U.S. farmers' pain is being devised and predicted that they will be "very happy." The administration last year handed farmers aid worth $11 billion to offset losses from trade conflicts. Trump seemed to suggest that the aid will make up for, or partially cover, the $15 billion that he said represented "the biggest purchase that China has ever made with our farmers." In fact, U.S. farm exports to China approached $26 billion in both 2012 and 2013 and equaled $19.5 billion in 2017 — before his trade war began taking a toll on agricultural sales to China. Gloy, an agriculture economist and a partner in the online research website Agriculture Economic Insights, said he fears there may be no end in sight to the Trump administration's trade dispute with China. And he noted that most crops that farmers could plant aren't profitable right now. He also said that some fellow farmers he speaks with are beginning to sound notes of discontent with the Trump administration. "Farmers I talk to, I've been surprised they're supportive as they are, but I think it's starting to wane," he said. "I've personally been very frustrated with it. I think it's just a lack of a coherent plan." He said worries that the entire agriculture sector could face severe trouble if the dispute lasts indefinitely. "It's going to get louder and louder because there's going to be severe financial distress in agriculture," he said. "We've been getting teaser deals for six months, and everybody kind of thought it's going to happen and now I just think the reality of the situation is that's not in the cards." |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 45331 |
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POOR IGNORANT PISSER.......... We are in a WAR... We will WIN...You are always going to find a few people that don't agree......... ask them "What is the alternative".... and they have NONE....
Your Haters and Baiters at CNN and MSNBC keep pushing their TDS and you fall for it hook line and sinker.
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Trump Is Not A Lib or Conserv, He's a "Pragmatist." (someone who is practical and focused on reaching a goal. Has a straightforward, matter-of-fact approach and doesn't let emotion distract him or her
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Trinity45 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2014 Location: Kentucky Points: 619 |
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Well lets see, lets take the money from the tariffs and supplement the farmers until we can find new markets for them. If China is buying more from South America guess what that means somebody who used to buy from S.A. is out in the cold and will be looking for a new market. Hell in 2015 China tried to collapse our entire Aluminum smelter industry by basically paying it's smelters to make aluminum that had no market for, collapsing the entire market to almost nothing. Their aim was to shutter U.S. smelters and it almost worked, the U.S. went from 11 smelters to only 3 fully producing smelters, until Trump stepped in after the 2016 election and shut down the Chinese imports, now at least 3 of those shutter smelters is starting back up and one that went from 5 lines to 2 is starting those 3 idled lines back up. Do you really want open trade with a country that is trying its best to close our basic industries like aluminum and steel etc, plus the hack our industry and defense contractor secrets.
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JC(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 27090 |
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Trinity, sadly some just can't make that connection... not even when you spell the facts out to them one syllable at a time.
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He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself
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LouSWPA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Clinton, Pa Points: 18645 |
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very well said Trinity, China is very close to completely controlling the markets, and when they do we wont be having this discussion, we will be doing what we are told and taking what they give us....and nothing more. I do feel bad for the farmers, but, unfortunately, it will only get worse if China is not brought under control
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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Steve Bright ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Martinsville, I Points: 1344 |
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Yes, those $10 plus soybeans are way worst than $8.00
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jaybmiller ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 12077 |
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well China has said NO to Candian Canola 3-4 weeks ago cause we've held one of their's for YOU..... Maybe American farmers can grow something locals will buy ?? Like WHY do you IMPORT tomatoes ???
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DiyDave ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Gambrills, MD Points: 32370 |
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Here's a question, fer dimmy: This was the federal grubbermint's main source of financing, before there was such a thing as an income tax?
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 45331 |
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Where does the tariff money go? With all this talk about tariffs, where exactly does the money go? Here’s the answer in very simple terms. A tariff is a tax on imported goods. Like all taxes, it is a source of revenue for the government. The importer pays the tariff to treasury agents when the goods enter our country.
What does the U.S. Treasury do with the tariff money? Good question. From what I can ascertain, it just goes into a general fund to offset the deficit. There is no specific purpose for the revenue. Edited by steve(ill) - 15 May 2019 at 6:52pm |
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Trump Is Not A Lib or Conserv, He's a "Pragmatist." (someone who is practical and focused on reaching a goal. Has a straightforward, matter-of-fact approach and doesn't let emotion distract him or her
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Trawler II ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Jul 2017 Location: Missouri Points: 272 |
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In other words Donny created a huge tax increase.
He is also preparing another bailout ( socialism) for the agriculture industry. Go Trump go?? |
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LouSWPA ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Clinton, Pa Points: 18645 |
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ooh, ooh, ooh, pick me, pick me, I know, I know |
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I am still confident of this;
I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 45331 |
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In other words Donny created a huge tax increase.
He is also preparing another bailout ( socialism) for the agriculture industry. POOR IGNORANT PISSER....... still stuck on the old TURDIE talking points... Call CNN and MSNBC and see if they got anything NEW for you to babble about ... the old SHTICK is getting worn out.
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Trump Is Not A Lib or Conserv, He's a "Pragmatist." (someone who is practical and focused on reaching a goal. Has a straightforward, matter-of-fact approach and doesn't let emotion distract him or her
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Trawler II ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 04 Jul 2017 Location: Missouri Points: 272 |
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Now now Steve, don’t Get your Depends in a wad. Your post states that a tariff is paid like any tax. Therefore it is a tax increase. China is clearly not paying it. You guys harped on this very site how Obama the socialist bailed out the auto industry. I’m simply agreeing with you. Edited by Trawler II - 15 May 2019 at 7:59pm |
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 45331 |
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China IS PAYING.......... they are cutting the price they sell products to us the keep the volumn up... If the price INCREASES for CONSUMERS, many will not buy the Chink stuff...That is what is happening......... Give me a list of chineese items you have bought in the last year that the price has gone up 25% ........... YEP... NOT HAPPENING.... The Chineese are cutting the price and taking it up the BUNG right now... And TRUMP is right, the TARIFF goes to the US GOVT... so WE ARE WINNING !!
The BIGGEST problem is THEFT of research and development goods.... NOT BEANS.
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Trump Is Not A Lib or Conserv, He's a "Pragmatist." (someone who is practical and focused on reaching a goal. Has a straightforward, matter-of-fact approach and doesn't let emotion distract him or her
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JC(WI) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: wisconsin Points: 27090 |
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He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself
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Trinity45 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2014 Location: Kentucky Points: 619 |
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Actually a tariff is a discretionary tax so to speak, you don't have to buy chinese goods that have the tariff added to them, you can buy another companies product from say the U.S. or a country that does not have the tariff associated with it. If China is not checked in 20 years they will own the U.S. and can wreck our economy by simply raising the prices because we will not have any manufacturing base left. I don't know about some of you but I haven't felt a damn thing in my wallet from the Chinese tariffs.
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Lonn ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 25661 |
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Dimbulb is perfectly happy with our good jobs disappeared to China, aren't ya Dimmy
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Yes, yes I am zee Russian bot and I work for Kremlin. ;)
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steve(ill) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: illinois Points: 45331 |
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Go to Wal Mart or Harbor Freight or Amazon, or ANYONE that sells Chineese products... Their PRICES have not changed in a year.... CHINA is cutting the price and paying the Tariff TRYING to keep their volume up........... cant do that FOREVER !!
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