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AGCO and Gleaner’s future?

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    Posted: 11 Nov 2020 at 6:21am
I heard a rumor yesterday that AGCO is possibly planning to discontinue the Gleaner line in favor of the new Fendt combine and offer a stripped down Fendt version with the Massey decals.  This came second hand from a dealer, so does anyone know whether this rumor is more true than any previous rumors??
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I doubt that if it happens, it will be quickly. The success of the Gleaner line in recent years, including their corn and bean heads, is such that cancellation of the line would be very stupid.
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In the past 10 years or so AGCO has a history of being very stupid
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Just rumors that people keep spreading to get people in an uproar. Gleaner is not going away.
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Gleaner getting quite a few upgrades in 2023  "100th", got that from a local that's a engineer for them.   So if it happens he doesn't know and it will be after 2023. Going to be the SX or X series.   If you ever get a chance to go through the Hesston, KS plant it is well worth it, 90+ acres under roofs.  They make round, square, big square balers, swathers self and pulltype, planters, manure spreaders, axial combines and Gleaners, and probably forgetting a few other things.  Also when you get to the combine assembly line and see 1 axial for every 10 Gleaners going down it  it's no question why Agco spent all that money on R&D, oops oh ya that was for the giant junk Fendt. Wacko


Oh ya, I believe the plan is to keep Gleaner and Junk Fendt and phase out the Massey design.



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Local salesman told me that AGCO was going to wreck the Fendt name with that piece of junk combine and that one of the Gleaners dealers that was thinking of taking on Fendt changed his mind when a engineer told him, don't ever sell one of those piece of shi$s.  I would have thought the engineer would have been more proud of his work but maybe that was the best thing he could say about the job he did. LOL
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Two completely different classes and customers. The Gleaner line is class 7-8 and maybe small 9. They are lightweight and have a great reputation among faithful owners. The Gleaner design is maxxed out as they cannot make the chassis/rotor any wider, so they are probably at the end for capacity. The Fendt is a new market which is targeted at larger size farms and are class 9 and 10 for now and could maybe grow into a class 11 machine. Two different markets.

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Agreed. Take a look at any of Mike Mitchell’s western Canada’s harvest videos & you’ll see how big the Fendt 10 combine is, plus it’s capabilities on Mike’s farm.
Here’s one of his 10s on delivery day. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UxhO3zeVQDY
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Theres always this runor going around, doubt Agco would do away with a famous line like this but  could happen - have been seeing a few Fendt combines rolling thru central Mo on trucks, all painted black 
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I hope the Gleaner is here to stay but around here in western Canada they are disappearing.   There are still a few around but you are more likely to see an axial MF up here.  I have one.    There are some Ideals around here but have not had the best reputation so there are still bugs being worked out.  They are similar to the MF axial and would be a natural replacement.   To see some more Ideal action: check out Full line Austin on youtube.
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Doc's analogy is spot on, we run a S78 and a S97 and really have no desire to go any bigger or move to a different design. We've gotten along fine with them through the years starting with a R50. AGCO does recognize and understand, as do other manufactures, that as a whole commercial farms are getting bigger and crop yields continue to increase so the demand for bigger combines is real. We will see how this goes for them, but the transverse machine is not going away any time soon. , Mike 
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I wasn't comparing the Gleaners and Fendts, just stating these are the two machines that Agco plans on offering and for now I'm sticking to those two being what they plan on offering. Subject to Agco change. Wink

Gleaner does offer a class 6 and the S77 with the 8.4 was a stretch class 7.  I walked all over it with a R65 with a cummins, although the rotor was heavily modified.  Gleaner S98 with 36ft. head will barely stay with a 8240 CaseIH with a 40ft head in the field, I'm positive it won't stay with a class 9.  Grain sample and job on the ground will be a different story in wheat not milo. Dry corn maybe, wet corn nope.  I'm a Gleaner man through and through, run a S98 and R65 but that's reality in the field.

Mike, you should post your youtube video of those 2 gleaners picking corn! 

Mitchells run 7 class 9 Fendts oops 6 class 9 Fendts, one went up in smoke.Wink  That class 10 was a demo unit.

I will say in this country Agco has hamstrung there dealers with only the dynoflex, it's a great bean head but around here everyone needs a floating draper.  Honeybee seems to be the head on almost all the gleaners around here.  So outside Kalvesta all of us with Gleaners or the axials are stuck going to other dealers for heads and parts.  There's a few that run the old 5000 Agco drapers also.



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Yes, my bad. Current Gleaner line is 6-7 and 8 class sizes.
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I should add the problem I have with Agco spending all the R&D money on the Fendt is the combine that out sells everything they have they have thrown table scraps at for years in search of the axial that someone will buy.  While it might be true that the gleaner rotor is wide as it goes it still has more seperation area then almost any axial out there but they can't spend a dime on it.  In green leaf milo or high moisture corn it's easy to hold it on the rotor, although you probably don't want the factory setup, but you don't have a chance holding it on the shoe.  They spent 100's of millions on the Fendt but couldn't spend enough on the Gleaner to get a shoe under it to handle a wet sticky crop.  It's pretty sad in milo when you are only running a 60% engine load and can barely hold it on the shoe.
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Kansas99, not to pat my own back, but I got into this with a JD man a few years ago. He stated Gleaner can't make a class 8 or 9 because they are maxed out for rotor length. I told him that they don't need a longer rotor, just make the diameter larger. He didn't think so. Then the S77's came out.  I asked him, if you had two grain bins of the same height, which holds more a 30' or a 40'? All Gleaner need do is to add wheel base and increase the diameter. I wish the wheel base was longer anyway. There isn't much room between the motor and the rotor shields. 

  If I had my way, I would not need to open the rotor shield to remove the air cleaner filter. The batteries would be around on the left side of the door with the ground wire on the cut out switch. The engine oil filter would be easier to see and replace. The throttle would be a twist grip like a motorcycle, but on the hydrostat handle.

  And lastly GLEANER if you are reading this, get a hold of the Mc Dermott pool cue company and have them build up a Gleaner Combine cue with bag like they did for Snap - On some years back. A 602 G core. Burly maple with black, silver and red inlays with a bag to match. It can stand next to my Snap - On and Miller Welder cues.


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I told my dealer that I want to be in shape to trade in 2023. It would be a trill to travel to Hesston, Kansas and see your combine be built from the floor up. The all new Gleaner "TR" series. A 2023 100th anniversary Curtis Baldwin / Kevin Bien limited edition twin rotor with dual sided 18" unloading augers. DREAMING IS FREE.
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we run a gleaner s97, and we also have trouble with corn coming through the rotor,  we are going to add 2 more reverse bars  to try to clean it up.  I like the simple design of the gleaner and how clean the machine is under the tin work compared to a deere but i can never get the field as clean as a deere.
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What rotor speed are you running in corn ???  The older generations of gleaner rotors I have always found right around 300 RPM in corn keeps rotor loss to a minimum.
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The biggest boo boo they made in the S series is that the 2nd concave was taken out. If they left it in then I think any rotor loss could be corrected easily.
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I thought the Fendt combine was a German design and AGCO is looking more at selling them to Eastern Europe and Russia.  Even bigger fields over there then here.  I looked at the Fendt a couple years ago, just seemed more complex and potential trouble prone.  I guess the guys running them only keep them for a couple seasons and keep trading up like JD guys, before the machines start to self destruct.
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Originally posted by Daehler Daehler wrote:

The biggest boo boo they made in the S series is that the 2nd concave was taken out. If they left it in then I think any rotor loss could be corrected easily.


You must be talking about the adjustable seperator grate?

It's still in the S series however it isn't adjustable,  and yes if you tighten it up it would stop rotor loss, used a lot of power but would stop it.  I don't really have any rotor loss problems in the S, I'm running a precision rotor, however I have a shoe load problem in green leaf milo.  Have put in cage covers to reduce separation area and still no rotor loss but to much shoe load.  Thinking of going back to factory rotor and getting 1/2 in. spaced bars for over concaves and then putting sweeps in the separator side clear to discharge probably 3 at discharge and then 3 staggered across the separator end.  No reverse bars at all.  My opinion is if you get the grain out at concaves you won't have rotor loss, if you don't and thrash on separator side you get rotor loss.  A precision rotor has over twice the bar surface area a factory rotor has but I'm thinking it is over thrashing in green leaf milo.  In wheat you can't find anything on the ground behind it and it puts seed wheat in the tank, so it's better than stock for sure in wheat(not that stock did bad).
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Originally posted by joules21 joules21 wrote:

we run a gleaner s97, and we also have trouble with corn coming through the rotor,  we are going to add 2 more reverse bars  to try to clean it up.  I like the simple design of the gleaner and how clean the machine is under the tin work compared to a deere but i can never get the field as clean as a deere.


As mentioned rotor speed usually fixed problem, start slowing rotor in 25rpm increments till it stops(usually)  Also you might open up and make sure concaves aren't getting leaves plugged around wires, if you are having that problem might talk to Mike or Chad at pfe, they got a concave that stops it.  We usually don't have that problem here as it usually too dry and they break up.  I know of a custom cutter that cuts high moisture corn for feedlots (28%+) and he runs a pfe concave.

If your running a 3000 header could just be head loss in dry corn from butt shelling?
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Rotor loss is pretty easy to detect in corn. It will always be in the standing unpicked corn easy to see.
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Agree, milo is the same way, even with a 36ft header it will throw the grain in uncut milo.  Grain cart operator usually can tell you how much your losing as well.  A few hit window ok, sandblasting window is a problem. LOL
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we run rotor at 300,  tried slowing down and speeding up but that made it worse.  we run a drago gt series head with the ear shocks in the stripper plates so thats as clean a head as your going to get, ten times better then a gleaner head we had those before.  i know its not the head because we crawled under machine after header went over but not rest of machine and it was clean at that point.  And we would go through field under load and then stop quick and turn off thresher and you can see all the kernels on the rotor spreader plate.  also checked concaves and they were clean.  concave clearance usually around .85".  what do you mean by precision rotor?

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Just my opinion, but theres no precision in farming,, and   seems the rotors are always losing the crop, as too many adjustments that make little or  no differencs 

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Precision farm parts makes a rotor for the gleaner. Uses staggered rasp bars instead of all in a row. Some like it but the factory rotor set up correctly does a great job.
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PFP precison farm products rotor I think...aftermarket rotor
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I'd hope agco doesn't scrap gleaner. Not a whole lot around me but closer to the gleaner dealer there's more of them. I'd think it would make more sense to get rid of the massey combines, not too many around here either. Mostly deeres and cases with some new hollands scattered about too. Then Gleaner, massey and claas lexion make up the rest.

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