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Grant
Bronze Level Joined: 26 Jun 2020 Location: Cobb, Ca. Points: 24 |
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Posted: 10 Jul 2020 at 10:59am |
I am helping a friend clear up an old ranch and one item is an old orchard sprayer. There are no readable data plates or names, but I found on the left rear corner of the cylinder head (flat head 6 cylinder) a raised "A C" with some unreadable number or letter below it. On the lower,rear left hand corner of the block there is a raised lettering that says "molly/iron" and the letters CWC just below that. The cylinder head has a ridge running the length of it that is square/flat top rising from the rear. It has a gear driven generator and a gear driven water pump. The head is loose, so we lifted it and the valves appear to be stainless steel, since they show as shiny and rust free, while the cylinder walls are badly rusted. We both feel like it might be an Allis Chalmers engine and wonder if my description is recognisable to anyone? If it is identified, we might pull the engine before the rest of the machine is scrapped. I dont know how to post photos (sorry). Any info will be appreciated. Thanks, Grant.
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Grant
Bronze Level Joined: 26 Jun 2020 Location: Cobb, Ca. Points: 24 |
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Correction !!! The raised "A C " is on the right rear of the head, not the left rear. Oops, Grant.
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DrAllis
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Allis-Chalmers never made a 6 cylinder flat head engine.
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Lonn
Orange Level Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Location: Назарово,Russia Points: 29773 |
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I wonder if Allis Chalmers cast parts for some flat head engines for some random company? Just wondering because they did cast parts for Le Roi at some point. But I think the letters used on AC castings were AM not AC. Just thinking out loud.
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steelwheelAcjim
Orange Level Joined: 06 Dec 2009 Location: Blissfield,Mi Points: 1257 |
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Could be: Continental, Chrysler, Hercules, Ford, or Waukesha. A picture would help.
What type of ignition? Battery or magneto? and where are these components located? Edited by steelwheelAcjim - 10 Jul 2020 at 3:20pm |
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Pre-WW2 A-C tractors on steel wheels...because I'm too cheap to buy tires!
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DaveKamp
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Apr 2010 Location: LeClaire, Ia Points: 5637 |
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Moly/Iron frequently appears on blocks of Hercules industrial engines. Hercules Industrial Engines of Canton, Ohio (not to be confused with the Hercules hit-and-miss singles) were found in every imaginable type of industrial machinery, many heavy and commercial trucks as well as agricultural and marine applications. When built, they're given an ID plate riveted to the block just left of center of the right side (if it were in a truck, with flywheel facing rear), behind where an updraft carbeurator would be. Of course, they came with updraft, downdraft, and sidedraft carbeurators, gaseous mixers, and (with an appropriate cylinder head) injection pump and injectors for compression-ignition applications... From the 30s through the 60's, They used a 'modular' design, meaning that the large and small engines were similar, just scaled appropriate for the displacement and quantity of cylinders needed... Fours and sixes being most common... they ranged from the little ZXA (around 60ci) through the IXA, IXKs in CLETRACs, up to the QXD and QXLDs in many harvesters and irrigation pumps, up up to the JXD (320, and the JXLD (long stroke - 338ci) LDT (478ci), RXC (529ci) HXC/HXD (855ci) and DFXE (895ci).... and many, many, many others. The first two letters gets you in a general ballpark size, and after that, the presence of an L identifies long stroke... after that, a -3 means three timing gears, while a -5 signifies a 5-gear timing (and concordant auxiliary PTO point). Eventually Hercules was absorbed by White, which as a holding company, amalgated Oliver, Minneapolis-Moline, and many others... so you'll see Hercules-made engines in many of those companys' products. It may even have been re-designated with another company's name. D&&r& used a Hercules-made twin cylinder for the first half-or-so of their "L-series' tractors, Hercules identified it as the NXB... basically half of a ZXB engine... arranged in 'odd fire' orientation, so that it had the 'Two Cylinder' sound of their larger engines. It could be a Continental, or a Waukesha...possibly a Dodge industrial (similar to that in the Power Wagon trucks of the late 40's.
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Grant
Bronze Level Joined: 26 Jun 2020 Location: Cobb, Ca. Points: 24 |
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I will see it again Monday evening and pay more attention. The data plate is clearly gone. The 4 rivets are still there. I think my friend may know how to text photos, and someone sent me a # to send them to, but if AC never made a flathead 6, then that idea is eliminated. Grant.
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