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    Posted: 28 May 2019 at 10:56pm
While disassembling the engine in my HD5 I was cleaning and inspecting the cylinder head I noticed it is cracked between the exhaust seats and the injector tube. Is this a common problem with these engines? Is it repairable or should I find a different head?
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2-71 Detroit I take it? The head can be repaired or exchanged, try Chapin Cyl Head Chapin IL.
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yes it is a Detroit 2-71. Thanks for the info. Will check them out
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I take it you've been running this machine yourself? If so, you would know if you've had coolant leaking somewhere? I've had many Detroits over the decades and nearly every time I would pull a head there would be small cracks around the injectors. The first few times I would have the heads repaired or exchanged. After a few years I thought just a minute here... I've never had a coolant leak from these tiny cracks. One time after I had a head repaired and rebuilt spending good money I decided to do a full in-frame. The same head came off after only a few hours and wouldn't you know cracks were present again. Ever after that when I removed a Detroit head and noticed those tiny cracks I just put the heads back on and never had a problem whatsoever. That doesn't mean that any or every crack is problem free but I wasn't going to play the guilt game the machine shop would use to get more work. Unless the the crack or cracks in your situation go all the way to the injector tube or to the valve seat I would re-use the head the way it is. You can take the head in and have it pressure tested and then you will know.  




 




 
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Thanks Ive only run this machine from the trailer to my shop. It would barely run.  The crack is pretty significant. I can almost get my fingernail in it.  It runs all the way from the injector tube to the exhaust seat.  
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Originally posted by hodaka hodaka wrote:

Thanks Ive only run this machine from the trailer to my shop. It would barely run.  The crack is pretty significant. I can almost get my fingernail in it.  It runs all the way from the injector tube to the exhaust seat.  

 That is a good size crack, if you don't want to spend the money on repairing the head you might find a good used one for a reasonable price.
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This is a real common flaw it seems in the heads - crack from copper injector seat outward . UNLESS it shows sign of coollant bubbles or loss or overheating - RUN IT . 
 I had my head repaired as the valve seat also showed signs of problem and the shop I had grinding and replacing valve said they would not put new seat in with the crack - also they were not familiar with 71 heads  
  So got a rebuilt head - with new injector tubes and new guides and seats - used 4 new valves and good to go 
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I have a complete 2-71 engine (core) that came with one machine I bought as a extra said low oil pressure so  former owner replaced it with a engine from generator - never opened it up myself .  
  Will sell as is .
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Hard for a engine with usually 5-25 lbs oil pressure to have 'Low' oil pressure!!!
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Originally posted by DMiller DMiller wrote:

Hard for a engine with usually 5-25 lbs oil pressure to have 'Low' oil pressure!!!
Years ago I had a 6V53 Detroit that used to come right down to "0" oil pressure at idle in summer heat... did not sit well with me. I was told by knowledgable Detroit people that if you don't reach 30 lbs  oil pressure at governed RPM you are playing with trouble and rebuilding is in order. (I guess I'm a little off topic for this thread).
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