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Posted: 19 Jan 2019 at 5:04pm |
Hi guys, im working on a deutz-allis 5230 for a guy. The battery swapped it's polarity so it blew the fusible link, which I have fixed and it now works as it should.
He wants me to do a service on it. My questions to you guys are;
1) what type of hydraulic oil do I need to use, and does anyone have a part # for the filter. 2) whats the best way to bleed the fuel system? 3) what type of oil for the transmission? 4) anything else i should look out for?
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Posted: 19 Jan 2019 at 8:02pm |
Can't answer all your questions, but on these Hinomoto built tractors, any hydraulic/transmission oil that meets AC spec 821 is OK. I buy from Walmart, and seems to be fine. Another service point is the fuel pump. You need to drain it and put in about 200 ml (on my 5015, NOT SURE ON THE 5230) of engine oil directly into the pump, at the same time you change engine oil. On my 5015, there is a plate on the pump with two bolts, that you take off and put the oil into the pump. If you overfill it, it just dumps into the oil pan, so no harm. I'm sure someone who has full info will be along, but hope this is helpful.
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Posted: 19 Jan 2019 at 8:25pm |
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A batteries + can become - ??? Never have heard of that. Not saying it can't, just never heard of it before. The things you can learn on the AC page.
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Posted: 19 Jan 2019 at 8:40pm |
I know, right? I didn't believe it until i had it tested and the guy at napa could hardly believe it either until one of the old guys came and confirmed he had seen it once before.
I'll be using JD hy-guard oil which meets the spec mentioned above. Are the tranny and hydraulic sump separate on this tractor?
also to confirm, is this oil fill on the OIL PUMP or the INJECTION PUMP?
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Posted: 19 Jan 2019 at 8:50pm |
The engine oil needs to be changed in the injection pump. Only diesel pump I have ever seen that needed this done. Normally neglected, as most people don't know or do it. i've attached a pdf file of the operators manual for the 5015, which is also made by Hinomoto, but the smaller model.
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Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 10:42am |
Thanks! thats very helpful!
Now, are the transmission and hydraulic sumps separate or the same on this tractor?
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Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 7:39pm |
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On my tractor they are all one. On the 5015, the drain is behind the drawbar mount, so needed to drop the drawbar mount to get at it. Another Hinomoto special deal.
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Posted: 20 Jan 2019 at 8:44pm |
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awesome. What is involved in dropping the mount?
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Posted: 21 Jan 2019 at 9:54am |
On my 5015 the drawbar is pinned into a bracket that attaches with 4 studs. It is definitely not made for heavy drawbar loading. I just pulled the nuts off the four studs, and then could get at the drain which is in the rear vertical face of the gearbox, at the lowest point. I have no idea if this is the same on the 5230.
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Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 7:05pm |
Alrighty guys, the 5230 has the tranny and hydro sump combined, and the drawbar support doesn't have to come off to drain the fluid.
Now, whats the best way to bleed the fuel system? I changed the filter (made sure it has fuel in it) and cracked the injector lines but no dice. Is there a bleed screw? what am I missing?
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Posted: 12 Feb 2019 at 9:14pm |
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If a battery is completely dead, it can be charged either way. Owner did not want to admit he screwed up. MACK.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 7:23am |
He originally pulled it in because the hydro oil was low. Shut it off to fill up and it was messed up. its all fixed now.
Anyway, I need to advise on bleeding the fuel system. Any thoughts?
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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 7:37am |
You can use the on line parts book at http://www.agcopartsbooks.com/partsbooksn/login.aspx?region=northamerica . Sign in as a guest user. Search 5230 as model, AGCO Allis as manufacturer. The 5230 book shows 72102555 Strainer Asy., Suction. It looks like a spin on filter but I tried to cross it to Wix, Baldwin, and Donaldson - no luck.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 7:43am |
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In the parts book it looks like there is a bleeder in the top of the filter housing and one on the injection pump. That is just by looks in the book, not hands on info.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 8:18am |
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I have a filter in place, napa 3390.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 8:57am |
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I think we have a bit of confusion. The AGCO # 72102555, hydraulic strainer assembly, I posted was in reply to your question: "1) what type of hydraulic oil do I need to use, and does anyone have a part # for the filter." Someone else posted the answer on the oil to use.
NAPA 3390 is their fuel filter cross, and hopefully that is where/what you are referring to. I wouldn't put it on the hydraulic suction, unless I saw manufacturer info that it is a proper cross; even if it screwed on the hydraulic base.
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Posted: 13 Feb 2019 at 5:47pm |
 JohnH123 wrote:
Alrighty guys, the 5230 has the tranny and hydro sump combined, and the drawbar support doesn't have to come off to drain the fluid.
Now, whats the best way to bleed the fuel system? I changed the filter (made sure it has fuel in it) and cracked the injector lines but no dice. Is there a bleed screw? what am I missing? |
Looked in my 5220 manual, don't know if it is the same, but the sequence is make sure fuel valve is on, above filter. bleed screw on filter, front of valve, loosen Do not remove, let fuel out till bubbles stop. then bleed pump, same way, screw is in line with fuel flow, on pump. loosen let flow till bubbles stop. then if needed, bleed injector lines... 
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Posted: 15 Feb 2019 at 7:56pm |
DiyDave wrote:
JohnH123 wrote:
Alrighty guys, the 5230 has the tranny and hydro sump combined, and the drawbar support doesn't have to come off to drain the fluid.
Now, whats the best way to bleed the fuel system? I changed the filter (made sure it has fuel in it) and cracked the injector lines but no dice. Is there a bleed screw? what am I missing? |
Looked in my 5220 manual, don't know if it is the same, but the sequence is make sure fuel valve is on, above filter. bleed screw on filter, front of valve, loosen Do not remove, let fuel out till bubbles stop. then bleed pump, same way, screw is in line with fuel flow, on pump. loosen let flow till bubbles stop. then if needed, bleed injector lines... |
Gee i wish i'd have known not to take the filter screw out all the way.... 
but in all seriousness, I just loosed the screw on the filter head, then the one on the IP (the same bolt that connects the fuel line to the pump) and then cracked the injector lines. Took about 10 seconds of cranking to get fuel. tightened em up and it started right up!
Thanks for the help everyone! later on i'll compile the part # of all the items I used for service, so there will be an up-to-date comprehensive list for anyone else out there looking for info.
Thanks everyone!
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Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 9:08pm |
the AC/ MF compacts were built by Toyosha. We always bled the system by blocking or pinching the drip line return, just barely opening the bleed on the pump and wrapping a shop rag around a blow gun and slightly pressurizing the tank - then crank while continue pressurizing = takes about 25 seconds or less then finish tighten the bleed remove the drip block.. Toyosha went bust and became part of another brand of the holding company Hinomoto that became Hitachi Tierra - Parts procurement was not a priority of any of these unfortunately. There are rumors that Kubota bought a lot of the tooling and destroyed it with the parts- can t substantiate that … filters are available thru Agco..
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Posted: 16 Feb 2019 at 9:19pm |
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72102555 was the hyd filter element - and if memory serves me correct the pump sets down on a camshaft that is part of the block / crankcase / gov - unlike the 5020-5030 fuel pumps that have to have the oil changed...
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