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plummerscarin ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3927 |
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Is an interesting thread. Thanks for sharing
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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All states ag found some good used ones for me!!
I tried some local shops around and they told me they have never seen that big of brake line before… Got them yesterday and put them on, no hydraulic leaks!!! ![]() Had to order front wheel bearings due to one being rusted pretty badly and the other worn out very severely. Should be in tomorrow sometime. I think this project is getting wrapped up now thanks a’ll for the patience and help!!!, |
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1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3069 |
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Use Brake line
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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What kind of material is best?
How thick? I’m pretty sure the original is steel… Edited by 55allis - 11 Sep 2025 at 12:37am |
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1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD45
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8641 |
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Inverted flare. A quality tool should form that fine.
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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Are they a double flange? I’m not very good with steel line…
I have All States Ag Parts looking for them and they found the long one but was having trouble finding the short one I think it’s was. Maybe Heitman Tractor Salvage would have them? I seen they had a lot of d17s listed on their website. Got to looking at the long one and the other guy tried to jb weld it… Wonder how long that would’ve lasted.. |
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3069 |
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If you can't find a new or used one, you can make one.
I made a lot of new ones for my WD45. You may need to use a little different fittings than original but no one will notice. You could probably go to about any mechanic that does brakes too and have him make and flare you one. |
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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Found that line with a part number of 70228425.
Than looking at the long line going to the back has job weld patches… That one has a part number of 70229059 |
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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I don’t think previous mechanic knew what he was doing and when he put the rocker on none of the push rods was down in their holes correctly and he ran the bolts down instead of gently pushing it down there for bending all the rods.
I just drove it around only to discover a very bad hydraulic leak when lifting. I think this line is the culprit… ![]() I think it is shot… Going to try to find a part number and maybe find a good used one. |
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ACinSC ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 16 Dec 2015 Location: South Carolina Points: 2996 |
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Glad you asked Dr Allis. I was wondering myself. Thanks
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21937 |
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Why 8 bent push rods ????????
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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 1309 |
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WHEEEEEE!!!
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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Good news once again!!
It runs like a champ!! |
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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Good news today!!!
Got it to spin over freely and no bending push rods!! Starter spins it nicely, very good compression (finger test) it almost will suck my finger in the spark plug hole!! So far no leaks on the seals I put in.. I think it will fire right up when I can get spark. Gas line was completely plugged with crap so I had to blow air through it until it came out. I adjusted the valves to .015 of an inch cold, so I think that should do until it warms up. |
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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Well it’s now on the path to come together again!!
Got the rear crank seal put in and the fly wheel on, now I’m waiting on the clutch input seals to come in, maybe tomorrow afternoon mail and I need to pick up the head from the head shop. |
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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What kind of glue has worked best for you? |
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8641 |
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....and remember to GLUE felt in place.
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Allis dave ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 10 May 2012 Location: Northern IN Points: 3069 |
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There are lots of those crank seal holders around. Call Bill Deppe or Orange Knight(Lad Benes) and see if they have one.
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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Called him and he figured that out before he did anything. Thank Doc |
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DrAllis ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 21937 |
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Intake valves on any D-17 head are 30 degrees. Exhaust are 45 degrees.
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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It’s been a week now and I’m still waiting on the head…
He did give me an update and found the seats was ground to a 30 degree instead of a 45 degree… so he’s going to grind them again to correct them. Would that be enough to stick the valves? And bend the push rods? Onto the rear crank seal: it does appear to have been replaced BUT in the process it appears he turned a wrench too much and cracked the top seal retainer. ![]() What material is that made of? Is it weldable? It feels like aluminum but it could be cast aluminum. |
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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 1309 |
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I'm beginning to think that way myself
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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Talked to the shop who has the head and he hasn’t looked at it yet…
Said he’d try to look at it today or tomorrow. The valve guides look original, rust is still on the bottom side. So I don’t think it would be that. |
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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 1309 |
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It would be interesting to know what the rebuilder has to say about the guides
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Sugarmaker ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8529 |
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Ok guys,
I am on the edge of my seat (ok the couch) and the popcorn is almost gone! I need Dr Allis to tell me a little more about valve guide placement. No I am not a engine builder. No I know nothing about valve guides. (I have a machine shop do the head work on any engines I am working on which is not very many) But it sounds like if the guides are incorrectly installed this stops the valve movement and then can bend the pushrods on the other end of the rocker? I am a little confused but I am old and easily confused too. Humm This is like a who dunit murder mystery. Let's all take a trip to 55 Allis land stand around drink coffee or beer and noodle and lay hands on this awesome restoration. Sorry for being sarcastic on the restoration thing. I do a little work every couple years on my own stuff. I make many mistakes. But I do not call any of these old tractor projects "restorations"! That word is for folks that have way more skills than I have. But I must say I was not impressed with the very first exterior picture of this finished restore D17. Sorry maybe my expectations are too high. And yes shiny paint does not mean it will run. I understand that. But if a customer is going to pay good money for 7 years of fiddling the details should be slightly better inside and out. Just my rambling 2 cents. Not trying to step on anyone's toes here. I hope this tractor can be completed for the owner and that they get many years of enjoyment with it. Makes me want to find the old D17 and fire it up! Regards, Chris and Cheryl I just started another batch of popcorn. I like the wrong head or wrong rocker arm combo idea for some reason? :) Maybe the butler did it! I also wish Don Bradley was able to chime in on this engine situation too. RIP Don! Just thought of another one for the team! Could the push rods have been purposely pre bent so that they made the valve train look like it functioned. Ok that idea is stranger than aliens building the pyramids!
Edited by Sugarmaker - 27 Aug 2025 at 6:57am |
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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TedN ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 30 Apr 2025 Location: Central WA Points: 97 |
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Not sure how to do links but I was able to download the picture. Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks different to me. Keep in mind I don't have much familiarity with D17s, I am only going by what I see in the pictures.
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190XTD seriesIII, 190XTD seriesI, maroon belly 7000, 190XTD series??? project(or maybe parts)
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Les Kerf ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 08 May 2020 Location: Idaho Points: 1309 |
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The only thing I have heard about regarding two different pedestal heights involves the early WD heads vs the later WD and the WD45 head; i.e. the 'Short' head and the 'Tall' head, which requires different pedestals. According to three different online advertisements selling rocker pedestals for the D17 they measure 1.945" tall.
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8641 |
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I can't tell from pic. Is head about 4in thick? Should be on a 17.
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55allis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 30 Jun 2020 Location: Griswold Iowa Points: 986 |
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![]() Here’s a picture of the rocker currently… I never changed anything from when I pulled it off. |
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Mikez ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8707 |
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Yea looks like the rockers are just about up against tray.
How strong are the rockers after that.
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