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Mike8cyl
Bronze Level Joined: 25 Apr 2016 Location: Seattle wa Points: 26 |
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I won't do it the 7g has a new head new turbo new starter new generator but burns oil pretty good gonna do a in frame on it soon I think I know it's never been touched in its 50 year life lol but I gotta make sure my son grows up on these machines he's 5 now and ready to learn :)
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29428 |
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I currently have two HD7G machines, one is a parts donor as the engine went sour and the previous owner died before repairs could be made to keep it from scrap. Parts for the AC line are fast depleting as well used getting ever so scarce as many are over 40 years old with much US scrap having gone to China to $200+/ton a short time back.
7G is 105 hp, 955K/L are 98hp by listings so very comparable but hatefully I am about to embark on a newer machine to replace my "FatAlice"(Fiat Allis).
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Mike8cyl
Bronze Level Joined: 25 Apr 2016 Location: Seattle wa Points: 26 |
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Hey guys new to this deal but grew up on allis chalmers machines and love them my dad bought an hd7g in 66 or so 4 cyl turbo I tracked it down 5 years after he passed and bought it back for 5 grand tons of power pushes over pretty much anything you can through at it very rarely do you have to dig anything he also had an hd4 with a six way blade that was stolen same time :/ never found that one yet... I know who took it and I will get it back but in the mean time bought my own hd4 love it but one steering clutch is slipping I may have to dive in and change them kinda a bummer my 2 cents if you can find an hd7g loader buy it they are a pleasure to run and power for days! One other thing to consider the hd machines were fast compared to modern crap the hd4 has a 3 speed gear box and the 7g in hi gear really moves just guessing but 10-15 mph?? To fast for a lot of things but driving it to where your working is way faster and saves a lot of time 👍😎
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Old7g?forSale
Bronze Level Joined: 06 Apr 2015 Location: 78624 Points: 28 |
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I gave an old 7g, or 7gb, I am not sure. I want to sell it. It was bought by my father, who died years ago, and I need to remove it. It needs some work, but I am pricing for a sell now. If you are terested, please Reply.
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edwin
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selling my hd 7-g with ripper. real good u/c power shift needs a head. or engine will sell with ripper for 3,800 calls only 417-718-0766 missouri
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Coke-in-MN
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41184 |
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Taking some large trees out with a dozer , then looks like he could have cut deeper with PAT blade using the corner to get a few more roots and did the job easier.
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Coke-in-MN
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A lot of time only a couple feet, the root ball has a lot of roots near the surface to draw water from. With the back-hoe I might dig down 3 ft or so all the way around, then just fill area back in, its just a matter of breaking up the root structure.
Removed a big cottonwood stump where they cut the tree down first and then had me remove the stump with hoe. Had a root ball about 12' in diameter, and about 8' deep and took all the power I had with the 715B to get it dug out and lifted out of hole. Once out i could not move it with the machine , had to hook a AC 190 to front and myself pushing to get it out of yard area.
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BennyLumpkin
Orange Level Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Location: Centre Hall, PA Points: 2657 |
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We had an HD4 Dozer on our farm and it did everything you want but you may want a loader.....sweet little machine with lots of power and plenty of bang for your buck.
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DMiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Hermann, Mo Points: 29428 |
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Dig on 3 sides into the majority of the feeding root mass, then push TO the fourth direction. It is not so much as 4 sides but looking down on a tree trunk to the stump picture a "C", cut around the trunk in that horseshoe and as the tree gets looser then push it to the uncut area like a hinge, pick that spot accordingly for the tree to fall to. Trackhoes and backhoes do well sometimes even better for this; a tree with a serious taproot will fight back even as this method works well, cottonwood, elm, sycamore and similar set a pretty vicious tap root beyond the feeders.
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darrel in ND
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when you guys are talking about digging on 3 sides of a tree, and then pushing it over from the 4th side, how deep do you have to dig down on the 3 sides? Thanks, Darrel
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DMiller
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I'm with Coke on this, I have used a 450JD loader to push a 22" across black locust out, took a little digging along the edges of the root mass but the tree went over and with a 13,000# machine. Took less time than I saw a gent on a D6C Cat trying to push a smaller one straight on.
The loader I have on my 180 is no hilift but can be used to move some serious material if handled correctly. |
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Coke-in-MN
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Afton MN Points: 41184 |
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Pushing over a tree still leaves you with cleanup, you still need to fill the hole left by root ball, stack or move the trunk and such . manuvering a machine around and working near things , choosing the biggest machine to do the big jobs and then sacrificing the fact the small jobs end up being hard to do with big machine is false economy.
Guy i bought a 4WD loader from had 4 piles of topsoil with around 200 yards in each pile and he asked me to spread them for him before i moved the machine. he had worked on one by digging into pile straight on , I just cut edge off and worked trough piles a little at a time and moved them all in a couple hours where he had worked days taking one bucket at a time.
All in learning how to use a machine , not brute force applied in wrong place.
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Daehler
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Nov 2010 Location: Lexington MO Points: 1152 |
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So i should go with a smaller machine? I know hauling is one thing, but I cant be fooling around having to dig out trees. One push and it should be over and ready to lift out, thats why i was asking about the size of a 7G. The machine I need will have to keep up with a 16B dozer, and I dont really know what model will. 5, 6 or 7G or will I have to go bigger? |
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Mactractor
Orange Level Access Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Location: New Zealand Points: 652 |
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HD6G is a very good machine. With enough ballast weight on the back, they will lift a five ton trailer off the back of a logging truck. will lift almost what 7G will. Here in New Zealand you dont need a lowbed to shift them around. just back a 3 axle tip truck up to a bank and drive the loader onto the truck. Keeps shifting costs down
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michale34
Silver Level Joined: 15 Mar 2011 Location: arkansas Points: 472 |
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i have been looking for a long time for a hd7g and have found one yet. dad had one of each a standard and a b and he liked his 6g better than either 7g .
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chevytaHOE5674
Orange Level Joined: 21 Apr 2010 Location: DA UP, Mi Points: 260 |
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You don't need a huge machine to push trees over.... I have pushed a few 12-14" plus hardwoods over with my little H3. You just dig on three sides as much as you can and then push up as high as possible towards the 4th side. Sure a bigger machine would make it a little easier but mine gets it done.
Moral of the story is you don't have to have a massive machine that takes a semi tractor and a low boy trailer to move from place to place. |
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gemdozer
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I dismantled 2 hd11 loaders for parts these was HD11G with 8 rollers long track and dismantled 5 HD11 dozers
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Daehler
Orange Level Access Joined: 23 Nov 2010 Location: Lexington MO Points: 1152 |
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Ive never seen any hd11 loaders, i would say that would be a good machine. Ive got a hd11 dozer and i like it alot, would like it more if it was running
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"IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!" |
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TREVMAN
Orange Level Joined: 04 Jan 2010 Location: Regina,Sask,Can Points: 1635 |
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An hd11 loader cat would be all you would need, much larger than the hd 5 my dad had that we used for EVERYTHING on the farm. Think about weight if you want to move the machine from place to place. You need a pretty good trailer for an 11 to be legal. I dont know a thing about 977 cat, but an hd11 is a fairly large unit for tree lines and feedlots. They can be bought fairly cheaply and are very sturdy machines, Just my 2 cents, Trev.
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Coke-in-MN
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MY FD5 cost close to $18,000 in 1988 and I have seen them for same price yet. FD7 or FL7 I think would be in same range not to less.
To clarify on the silo of why I could take it out with HD5 , he was trying to push it in from outside , I just broke off sections until I could push from inside. Anyone should know you cant collapse a circle foundation by pushing inward , thats where it's strength is.
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Mactractor
Orange Level Access Joined: 20 Jun 2011 Location: New Zealand Points: 652 |
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Very good point Coke. An HD6 Dozer with a straight blade on it would make short work of those trees if ya knew what you were doin on it.
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Coke-in-MN
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to take out a large tree , you dig on 3 sides of it and then push it over , this can be done with dozer, loader or a backhoe. Brute force works but knowhow wins out .
On some silo footings at a job site, a guy i was working for had a CAT 977 and was trying to remove them with no luck , said i would remove them with HD5G, he laughed and said could not be done with the 5 , hour later they were in a pile.
Same on the footing for house on same site he tried digging them and I finished up with 5 in digging into table slabs of lime-rock. Its knowing how to move material and not tax machine but let it do the work. Edited by Coke-in-MN - 23 Aug 2011 at 9:10pm |
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DMiller
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I have been on here and in conversations with guys here as to PMs' as to machines I have found or looked at, listen well to them they will not steer you wrong.
I backed off owning my own for now, too many needed more work $ to get useable than to just have a contractor come out and push the stuff I needed down so I opted for the latter until I can get a shop and some cash ahead to start a project machine. Rails(track chains) are high dollar as are rollers or getting them re-manufactured, then you have the downtime and the work on time plus tooling to get it where you need it to what you need it to do. If you buy one ready to work with all the parts in decent order you will pay a sharp price for it, beware the 'bargains' as they tend to not be in the long run. |
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Daehler
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Im gonna be pushing over trees thats bigger than 14 inches. Are 7G's and 7G B series hard to find?
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"IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!" |
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Mactractor
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You guys are right, a 7G size loader is probably not needed there, but an Allis engined machine sure does sound a hell of a lot sweeter than any Fiat engined one. Its not always about economics.
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Coke-in-MN
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For what your thinking of you sure don't need that big of a machine as far as 20,000 # or 100HP machine, less your trying to push over 14" diameter trees.
Bigger isn't always better as as size goes up it seems repairs do also, then moving it becomes the next problem.
My FD5 has cleared a lot of land and at 70 HP works great. In the past my HD5G at 50 HP has also done many fence rows and barn and feed lots.
Machines with a torque converter and power shift are just quicker to respond over direct drive machines. In fact even the HD4 loader I had worked good for brush and small trees, then any machines used in conjunction with the 715B TLB could clear most anything.
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orangeman
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Mactractor: Thanks for keeping us on our toes, I was thinking about the HP on the 6000 engine. The reference books show the 7G at 107 HP and max horsepower of the 7000 direct injection at 150 HP.
I can now remove the egg from my face. I guess my perspective would not be so much on the horsepower criteria but the gearing of the machine and how the OPERATOR uses the horsepower bigger is not always better.
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Mactractor
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7G and 7G series B both over 100 engine horsepower. 7000 engine in 7G, 105hp. 3500 engine in 7G series B gotta be way over the 100 mark.
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Daehler
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Im looking at using it to clean up fence rows and help keep control on tree limb in the field. Not gonna forget to mention clean out cattle lots. How big is a FD7 and what motors do they have? I aint gonna lie, Im clueless in this area. What the price ranges do any of the loaders run? Im seeing them from $7,000 for something like a FL to $17,000 for a 12GB, is that about right?
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8070FWA,7080 BlackBelly, 7045,2 200s,D19,D17,G, WD,45,UC,7 AC mowers and lots more!
"IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!" |
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Coke-in-MN
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FL 7 should do most things one would want to do , the weight class your looking in isn't the thing as much as the work that can be done with HP delivered.
Like in dozers my FD5 will outwork a D4 with no problems at all and at a lower price to operate both in fuel and in overall machine cost.
The move away from track loaders has hastened as skid steer machines have filled the gap of smaller machines and excavators have taken over in loading and digging in places where track loaders were supreme in the past.
Edited by Coke-in-MN - 22 Aug 2011 at 7:14pm |
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