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Jgranat
Bronze Level Joined: 25 Mar 2019 Location: NW PA Points: 102 |
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That CA is gonna be very spoiled Chris, my dirty old CA would feel neglected. I am searching for parts and knowledge on a narrow front end for a C if you know where one is in the weeds let me know. I need to come waste some of your time and lean on a tire for a bit. Good to see your shop crowded as always!
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11503 |
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Chris! I call taking the Deuce Dump out for a cruise therapy. Anytime Jo Jo and I take one of the old cars out, it's like relaxing therapy. lol! Have fun this summer! Don't miss to many cruise nights... Steve@B&B
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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Plummer,
Not a electrical expert here. The steel plates (sacrifical anodes) are wired from one to another like a chain, so I think that would be in series?? They are connected to the positive side of the battery. Yes should work for your rim cleaning too. Just need a bigger tank! I would use a full box of Arm and Hammer Washing soda in the pool. Maybe hang some annodes inside the rim to clean the inside at the same time?? Regards, Chris and Cheryl
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plummerscarin
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3059 |
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Nice to make progress regardless of the size of the step. A refresher on your E-tank. Are those metal plates on the perimeter and wired in parallel? I have something like that in mind to do a 38” spin out rim using a kiddie pool.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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AC folks,
I did get the E-tank operational. Part #1 came out yesterday. the right brake pedal casting. It removed 95% of the rust and paint. a little wire brushing to remove the black smut, and a good rinsing. Then a little wire wheel work to remove the stubborn paint areas. A wipe down with mineral spirits, and its ready to prime. Might get the primer/paint next week. Need to set up a paint area somewhere to reduce the mess. Regards, Chris
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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Folks,
Making a slight bit of headway on the CA project. But we have not turned the corner yet. I did order a new repro manifold and several other items to get headed in a positive direction. Also have the first part through the E-tank for cleaning. Small wins! Regards, Chris
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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Steve, Mike, Folks,
Thanks for checking in! Out of energy over here! I need some sunshine and warm weather too. The CA in the warm shop needs so much work. I have climbed this hill before. They just seem to get steeper with age!:) I need to set up the electrolysis tank for cleaning some of the parts. A nice HF sand blast cabinet would be welcome addition to the shop too. Hoping to have a lot of fun with the 32 dump truck at shows and cruise - ins this summer too. Two plow days coming up in early May that I want to get to also with the Uncles wide front WD with a rusty set of 2 bottoms. Also may take the WD45 with the old three bottoms to an event down I-79 (Mercer County Tractor plow days May 6. Will try to get some pictures. Cheryl did not like the cracked front tires on the CA, so I ordered a new set of 4.00-15s tri rib. Will get the tires removed and clean up and repair the rims. Maybe splash a little of my favorite paints on them too. Regards, Chris and Cheryl |
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IBWD MIke
Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3409 |
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Thanks for the update. Ruby looks to be hard at work!
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11503 |
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Chris, You can park that AA in my pole barn if ya want. Me and Jo Jo will give it a little exercise this summer. CA is lookin' good! Don't get like Ruby though. Even though she has the right idea. Warm weather is here. Time to go to work again on the CA! Rock n' Roll dude! BTW, that little Denso looks lonely. Needs a B&B wiring system attached to it one of these days! Steve@B&B
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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Allis folks,
The CA is back in the middle of the main bay in the shop. Right in the way. I should be out working on it. Being lazy! The weather was warm enough to mow the yard a couple days ago, then back to cold and snow! Syrup season is done for 2023, Thoughts turn to old tractors and my old truck. Car shows coming up soon, along with cruise-in events. So the CA, Well it is still apart. I did order some paint for it which I hate to say will cost as much as the tractor. But I do like to see them freshened up. So this hopefully will be a Refurb, Clean and Paint project. Will it be ready for prime time this season on the pulling track?? Time will tell. I will try to get some pictures posted. Here is Ruby my helper: Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 19 Apr 2023 at 8:24pm |
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11503 |
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Chris! That Tractor is getting lighter! I don't think they have that light of a class to pull in! LOL! It's lookin' good buddy. Yeah, treat the ole girl to a coat of paint. What the Hell. You might be able to pressure wash it this week. Supposed to be in the 50's round' here this coming week. I love it! I'll take this weather right to May...... Steve@B&B |
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TomC
Orange Level Access Joined: 24 Nov 2017 Location: Hillsboro, MO Points: 1544 |
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I use tin foil to wrap anything I don't want paint on,a lot cleaner and easier than tape and you can shove it into corners and around stuff that tape is almost impossible to get it to stick to.works great
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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Tom,
Yea your probably right! I will keep cleaning the dirty old CA for a while, since it needs that anyway. I know it wount pull any better with acoat of paint. But while pulling or at the pulls it represents me or friends and family pulling too. I do have several in there work clothes too. Have never used tin foil as a mask??? Humm?? Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 04 Feb 2023 at 5:40pm |
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TomC
Orange Level Access Joined: 24 Nov 2017 Location: Hillsboro, MO Points: 1544 |
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You have it that far might as well pull the front tires,use tin foil to mask it and get out the paint guns, I painted mine in my barn, it took me a bit but I got a roll of plastic painter drop cloth and sorta made my own paint booth, I also made a barrier around the temp paint booth,and draped plastic over the other equipment and implements, it turned out pretty good, not a $3,000.00 paint job but probably better than factory.also used way low pressure
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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Thanks guys,
This is what these old brake shoes look like, not good at all: Pulling the right final was easy: Remove the cover from the right side of the rearend: Pop out the old seal and install the new seal: Sealant on the bolt threads Now I need to get serious about clean up. The time to do that is now. Wolud be nice to get the back half of the tractor done while apart. What does that mean? I dont know maybe a coat of fresh orange paint?? I have not painted anything in the shop yet. And I did not make a dedicated paint room. Lots of things in here that we dont want painted with orange overspray! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 04 Feb 2023 at 1:07pm |
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plummerscarin
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Jun 2015 Location: ia Points: 3059 |
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Awesome job!
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sparky
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 May 2011 Location: So. Indiana Points: 1446 |
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Coming right along!
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It's the color tractor my grandpa had!
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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Allis folks,
the tire size on the CA = 12-24 Firestone Field and road. We have the left final drive cleaned of grease and grime and set aside: Have the CA supported on both sides: ready to pull the right rear. Brake pin design on the top is awesome! Brake shoes on the right side were junk, Brake drum on the right is in pretty good shape, so I do not plan to change that. The seal in the differential has been replaced.; Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 04 Feb 2023 at 12:57pm |
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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Folks,
I did get the right rear tire off today. Also have the rear supported with steel sawhorses under the bar which has the pedals attached. I have started to clean the rear of some of the accumulated grease and grime. Not sure whare I will end up on this CA? We all know its a lot of work to clean and update these 70 year old tractors. Will try to get some pictures. Cold weather and some snow today. So most of the day was spent in the warmer shop. Hope things are good in Orange Land! Regards, Chris
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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HudCo,
Humm? I should know and don't? Rim size is same as regular CA, So I think that is 24 inch? correct? I will try to check tomorrow. But one of the reasons I bought this was for the pretty good old Firestone rears. I did get the rear seals from Sandy Lake. Removed and installed the smaller. I did get the larger (outer) seal also, But a little late now that I have the brake drum in place. Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 31 Jan 2023 at 5:52pm |
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HudCo
Orange Level Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Location: Plymouth Utah Points: 3236 |
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what size are your rear tires ?
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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ac160, folks,
I did the work with the shaft in the tractor housing. I believe to pull the shaft you need to have the drum and key off anyway. I did try to remove the shaft when the drum was off. But I guess I did not have the correct tooling as I could not move it outward with the exterior cap off. The outer bearing exterior cup must have to be pushed out with the bearing? I gave up and went back to cleaning the shaft the best I could to allow the new drum to fit on the shaft. I am sure there are folks on here that can tell you what the techniques are to get the shaft out easily? Looking forward to your project. Let us know how it goes! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 30 Jan 2023 at 9:12am |
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ac160
Silver Level Joined: 02 Dec 2010 Points: 371 |
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When you worked on the brake drum did you pull the whole shaft out or do it while the shaft was in the tractor? I am about to do the same on a CA when I have time.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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Paul, Folks,
This tractor has had the hand clutch removed and the brake drum looks pretty good on the right side. But I think I will try to pull that side apart and put in tha new seal for the rear diferential. Regards, Chris
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PaulB
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Rocky Ridge Md Points: 4383 |
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The key in the drum only needs to do enough for the brakes, no power is put to the wheels with that key.
Although those hand clutches (in good working condition) in the RH housing will handle more power than the factory engine clutch, for a dedicated puller I've always put a LH pinion shaft in the RH housing. It also looses a few pounds by replacing the hand clutch with a LH shaft and brake drum.
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If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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Guys,
Yes the entire casting cavity was full of mouse nests, and debis! What a mess! I think I would build some type of puller and or get a grinder small enough to get in the brake hole to cut the old drum apart. Cutting down above the keyway is the way to split the cast drum. After I salvaged the key and installed the new drum over the key, I tightened the bolt/ lock nut down. But the new keyway in the drum must be deep because the key kicked up more than I expected when viewed from the end. Humm?? Still looks like the key will work. Off topic: Today was all maple related with a annual membership meeting and dinner. Then Cheryl and I strung another 200 taps ( about 1/3 of our total ) this afternoon. Hope things are good in Orange land! Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 28 Jan 2023 at 5:15pm |
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IBWD MIke
Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3409 |
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As much fun as you had with that be glad it was the left one. I could really use a right, hard to come by! My guess on Ruby's interest, drum might smell like mice?
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wjohn
Orange Level Joined: 19 Jan 2010 Location: KS Points: 1769 |
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Ha, Ruby's having fun! I had to do the brake bands in one of my Bs, but I've not had to pull a drum off yet... No trouble for you.
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Phil48ACWC
Silver Level Joined: 17 Jan 2013 Location: Vermont Points: 278 |
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Great Dog!!! He knows a busted brake drum when he sees it.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8166 |
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Sparky, Folks,
New seals ordered from Sandy Lake. Friend John and I worked on the brake drum removal. It is not a easy task. Broke off the exterior portion. Used a dremel and a small wheel to slit the casting about 3/16 deep above the keyway. Then a cold chisel through the drilled hole and it continued and split the casting. A lot of prying and choice words. The key was actually hard to get out too. I wanted to clean up the axle, and finally got it but not easy to get in through the hole in the exterior. Installed the new brake drum, and set screw/ lock nut. Ruby was checking out the old brake drum: Regards, Chris
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