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Jesse175 
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Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 8:22pm |
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I took my D17 out on the road for a test drive to confirm no issues with gears. In high gear-top speed I am getting a noticeable tire bounce that feels like a tire/wheel of round. The tires are loaded so I am wondering if that is the issue. I am not sure of the history of the tractor and was wondering if it was sitting a long time whether that is the issue. If so, will this go away over time? I can live with it but it would be nice not to have it happen.
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MACK
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Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 8:26pm |
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If they set a long time they will get flat places. Will smooth out. MACK
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Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 8:28pm |
Often the power adjust wheels are the cause of the flat spot. Make sure all of the eccentrics are turned all the way. On the tractors with only 3 eccentrics, I sometime need to put a shim in the solid block before tightening the other three. When you have Calcium solution in your tires, It's not If your rims will rust out, but WHEN. Get rid of it.
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Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 8:58pm |
 PaulB wrote:
Often the power adjust wheels are the cause of the flat spot. Make sure all of the eccentrics are turned all the way. On the tractors with only 3 eccentrics, I sometime need to put a shim in the solid block before tightening the other three. When you have Calcium solution in your tires, It's not If your rims will rust out, but WHEN. Get rid of it. |
If a rim rusts out with CaCl2 in them it’s because your negligence not the product. You have too be smart enough to work with the product most aren’t. I handle it by the 1,000’s of tons at my day job and have it in nearly all my tractor tires with zero worries.
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Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 9:02pm |
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I agree with Mack. If the tractor sits for an extended period of time the back tires will get flat spots. Give it a run on the road and things will smooth out as the tire flex more.
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 20 Apr 2021 at 9:13pm |
Musta not drove far....in a mile you'll not notice it.
Back when...I worked for the TWP and the road grader could hop first thing of the day with those 4 drive tires.....nylon tires all do it. Radials won't.
Edited by SteveM C/IL - 20 Apr 2021 at 9:17pm
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Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 6:25am |
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How many out there are original owners of tractors that are 50+ years old and have rusty rims due to CaCl2? Once the abuse starts it only gets worse.
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Jesse175
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Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 6:50am |
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thanks for the input. I did not drive it real far. I note differing opinions on the calcium chloride. How do I get rid of it? If I drain it I would still have the residue? I note someone states I should not have any issues if I deal with it correctly. What steps do I take to avoid rusting? The rims I have are in good shape. Very minor corrosion around the valve stem.
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Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 6:52am |
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Victory
What is it an owner has to do to prevent Calcium Chloride solution from making its way from inside the tube to outside the tube and next to the rim.
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Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 6:54am |
My new rear tires seem to be much worse having noticeable flat spots. Yes driving for a couple miles will probably get them round again. After repairing half a dozen rusted rims I don't fill mine anymore. I am also not farming with them, so the weight is not as big of a issue. Leaky tubes, and leaky fluid is pretty hard to detect untill it has already done some damage. My 2 cents. Regards,
Edited by Sugarmaker - 21 Apr 2021 at 6:54am
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SteveM C/IL
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Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 7:17am |
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If you replace valve core every 2 yrs and don't poke thorns,wire,etc. through tire,calcium stays inside tube causing no harm. My experience.
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Tbone95
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Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 7:27am |
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When it got my 7045, it bounced AWFUL. For months. I was saving pennies to get new tires, I mean it bottomed out the seat springs. One day you're driving along,. . . . .and ya' go hmmmm, I'm not bouncing anymore!
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Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 8:22am |
Gary wrote:
Victory
What is it an owner has to do to prevent Calcium Chloride solution from making its way from inside the tube to outside the tube and next to the rim.
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It doesn't. Rubber is impervious to chloride. Chloride will sit in a tube for 200 years and not leak a drop. If a rim has rotted its not due to chloride, its due to someone had a leak at some point and didn't clean it up. When you have a leak with a chloride filled tire, you need to drain the tube, completely dismount the tire from the rim, clean the inside and out with a mild soap/water and a stiff nylon brush, remount tire with NEW tube ( a patch wont work) and refill. My dad, uncles, and their fathers all used chloride and we never had a rotted out rim
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Posted: 21 Apr 2021 at 9:35am |
Back on the original question, yes fluid can make a tire bounce at high speed. My Massey in road gear will sometimes almost get the tire to bounce enough to come off the ground. We were always told at enough speed and with tires 3/4 or more full that friction of the tube/tire and the fluid would sometimes bring the fluid over the top creating an imbalance. I usually throttle mine up until I just feel the bounce beginning and then just back off a hair and everything is OK
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