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Wisconsin_Man 
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 3:06pm |
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Hi there, I am thinking about going for a 7000 series allis sometime this summer. I talked to my uncle about it, he has been around them his whole life and he is a professional mechanic, and he said the maroon belly ones have way too many transmission problems to make them worth buying.
I would like to know what these problems are, what causes them, and is it worth buying one, or should I save up a little more for a black belly. If you do think the maroon bellies are worth buying, what would you reccomend checking on them when buying one.
Any info is super helpful, thanks
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jiminnd
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 4:08pm |
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Do you mean just 7000 or the whole series? I had a 7030 for many years and pulled it hard and never had any transmission issue. If you are talking straight 7000 that was a different transmission.
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tthams
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 4:44pm |
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In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with either black belly or maroon belly. I have been around maroon bellies for the last 20 years. I have seen the engines wear out before the transmission.
It all depends on how often the maintenance is kept up and filters are changed.
If it's well maintained, I would not be afraid to buy it. They are cheap HP.
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Ky.Allis
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 4:55pm |
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If your uncle has been around them his whole life then why don't you just ask him?
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DougG
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 6:35pm |
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Thats usually how it goes - one person has some trouble with one tractor - rumor spreads - and they are all junk - with no real information on what happened- lol, by now the bugs are worked out- AC really used the hydraulic systems in the transmission and Powerdirectors- just like todays auto transmissions - follow the maintanance scheduele and no problems
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 7:00pm |
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Have both and get along great, I absolutely love my 2 maroon bellies. I'm 42 and they will outlast me.
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Wisconsin_Man
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 7:05pm |
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Any of the 7000 series
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 7:08pm |
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[QUOTE=DougG] Thats usually how it goes - one person has some trouble with one tractor - rumor spreads - and they are all junk
On the contrary, he had a 7020 that he used daily for mixing feed and he loved the thing. I am just wondering if anyone else has had similar experiences
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DrAllis
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 7:23pm |
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He is ignorant. Unless he can be more specific on what kind of failure happens ALL THE TIME, he simply doesn't know what he's talking about. He thinks he does, but he doesn't.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 8:00pm |
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It's all on how previous owner ran it. If he was a gear jammer and lack maintenance could have issues. These things have been around for ages. It isn't like warranty is about to expire to cover product defect/workmanship.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 8:01pm |
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Right on Dr Allis,
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 8:30pm |
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The only transmission failures I have heard of on the 7000 were reverse problems. Many times they could be fixed without splitting the tractor, but you need someone with small hands.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 8:50pm |
The reverse problem is the fault of operator not the tractor. They are good tractors. Can't think of any transmission changes between maroon and black. Tell your friends to tell us about the problem. MACK
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 9:11pm |
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I just wanted to see if anyone else had heard about this, instrad of going off of what I was told so far. I would like to get one sometime soon, just thought I'd pop the question out there
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Alex09(WI)
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Posted: 05 Mar 2021 at 9:31pm |
I live in Wisconsin and to answer your question directly: No, I've never heard of rear end problems in the 7000 series.
I have heard a lot of rear end problems on the 1066 and 1586 IH's and such.
Anyone know the weight limit on the rear end of the 7000 series before you voided the warranty?
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Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 6:18am |
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I will be more specific. #1. the model 7000 maroon or black are a COMPLETELY different transmission that any other 7000 series. #2. The 7010 and larger models have a Power Director or Power Shift transmission offered in them. They are pretty much the same from 1973 thru the end of 1981 maroon or black chassis. #3. The claim of "way too many transmission problems to make them worth buying with maroon chassis" is such a ridiculous statement. Why?? Because which transmission is he talkin about??? You have THREE choices here !!! Ignorance is being uneducated on the subject being discussed.
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Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 7:33am |
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We bought one new and had our share of problems but tranny problems weren't one of them. the problems we fixed really made it a sweet tractor. I'd buy one again, in a heartbeat.
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Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 8:42am |
I just finished putting custom gears in a maroon 7040 pulling tractor, one of the heaviest trannies out there.
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Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 8:46am |
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I wish this page had a like button,!!, Dr Allis, your answers nail it every time, just love it. You always say what some of us are thinking.
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Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 10:02am |
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In defense of the person who asked the question, I see a broader advantage to ignorance. While the uncle may be ignorant or simply uninformed, asking the question in a forum with expert knowledge is anything but. I may be wrong but I doubt Darin created the forum for experts only. While I understand the natural tendency for experts loosing patience with issues hashed over again and again and with the uninformed and misinformed, it is the interaction between those seeking knowledge and those who have it that makes this forum valuable and popular. The way I see it, lack of knowledge is an opportunity to learn and for those who have to teach.
I also visit other sites dealing with the motorized antique hobby. The same applies on those forums. However, of late discussions are taking place about who will keep the hobby going and perpetuate the knowledge base. I’m thinking supportive discussion which enhances the above may be an important consideration.
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Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 11:16am |
 KenBWisc wrote:
In defense of the person who asked the question, I see a broader advantage to ignorance. While the uncle may be ignorant or simply uninformed, asking the question in a forum with expert knowledge is anything but. I may be wrong but I doubt Darin created the forum for experts only. While I understand the natural tendency for experts loosing patience with issues hashed over again and again and with the uninformed and misinformed, it is the interaction between those seeking knowledge and those who have it that makes this forum valuable and popular. The way I see it, lack of knowledge is an opportunity to learn and for those who have to teach.
I also visit other sites dealing with the motorized antique hobby. The same applies on those forums. However, of late discussions are taking place about who will keep the hobby going and perpetuate the knowledge base. I’m thinking supportive discussion which enhances the above may be an important consideration.
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Right on! I was thinking it, but couldn't have worded it any better!
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Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 11:43am |
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agreed, said it well...
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Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 2:42pm |
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Uncle has a burgundy belly 7000 it’s been a decent tractor. Hasn’t been trouble free but far from problematic. Tractor certainly doesn’t owe him anything. My only complaint is not having clear floorboard.
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Posted: 06 Mar 2021 at 8:07pm |
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JPG great idea on the like button! Don’t forget you do have a thanks button as well.
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Posted: 07 Mar 2021 at 6:01am |
Ed (Ont) wrote:
JPG great idea on the like button! Don’t forget you do have a thanks button as well. |
I never saw the "thanks" button before. Is it something new?
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Tbone95
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Posted: 07 Mar 2021 at 7:15am |
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Thanks button is on my computer but not on my phone.
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Posted: 09 Mar 2021 at 8:44pm |
KenBWisc wrote:
In defense of the person who asked the question, I see a broader advantage to ignorance. While the uncle may be ignorant or simply uninformed, asking the question in a forum with expert knowledge is anything but. I may be wrong but I doubt Darin created the forum for experts only. While I understand the natural tendency for experts loosing patience with issues hashed over again and again and with the uninformed and misinformed, it is the interaction between those seeking knowledge and those who have it that makes this forum valuable and popular. The way I see it, lack of knowledge is an opportunity to learn and for those who have to teach.
I also visit other sites dealing with the motorized antique hobby. The same applies on those forums. However, of late discussions are taking place about who will keep the hobby going and perpetuate the knowledge base. I’m thinking supportive discussion which enhances the above may be an important consideration. |
WELL said Ken. That is one of the main reasons new comers are afraid to ask questions in the first place. Anyone remember the first 'dumb' question you asked? There is NO SUCH THING. It's been stated on here very often, there are NO DUMB questions. We all hate to show our ignorance, but eventually we swallow our pride and put our foot in it. It's called being human. I for one am glad I am. If you never make a mistake,,,,,,,,,,you've never done anything. Just my rant...... can't help on the 7000 questions as I've never had one.
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Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 7:22am |
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Can't say about a 7000, but we had a 7020 and it was a great tractor for the job we used it for only problem I ever had was with the AC going out. Hell we had that problem on the 4440 JD as well.
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Posted: 10 Mar 2021 at 10:39am |
We have a maroon 7000. I'm not 100% sure about the year off the top of my head. It's over 9k hours at this point. It's a good enough tractor for what it is. Really good power on the PTO and its pretty easy on fuel. It pulls ok and did a lot of plowing with 5 bottom AC 2000 plows. Had its hands full in heavy clay and would often stand the front end up when the traction booster started lifting. We've done nothing more than bearings and a new injection pump as far as the engine is concerned. Maybe a water pump along the way somewhere, but the 301 has been really problem free in any tractor we have it in.
The transmission has been basically problem free. The rear end, not so much. We've been into it several times for broken pinion shafts and a few other things.
Some things I really don't like about the 7000: - Hydraulics: Slow to non-existent below 1300 RPM. Not really great overall. - Rough Ride: Will put calluses on your kidneys in plowed ground - No Diff Lock - Thru floor pedals. They fixed this on the 7010 by moving to suspended pedals I'm told - Transmission is not synchronized
Some things I like: - Easy on fuel - Three speed power shift is really smooth - Really snappy on the PTO
The cab is what it is, not fantastic but ok for the era. Ours has pretty much been retired to silo blower and a stand by hay tedding/raking tractor these days. But it's earned it's retirement for sure.
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Posted: 11 Mar 2021 at 10:36am |
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pafarmer, keep in mind like the Dr said. the 7000 is completely different mechanically then the rest of the 7000 series. It was just an updated 200 drivetrain.
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