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flo
Bronze Level Joined: 30 Jul 2020 Location: Canada Points: 12 |
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Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum and pretty much new to the Allis Chalmers world, having grown up on a MF environment and worked on several JD farms. I just bought a 1981 AC 6080 with fwd, cab and front loader, and I'm pretty excited to learn more about this machine. I'd welcome any suggestions you have for maintenance and operation of the tractor, and any leads on where to find parts in Western Canada. I'm aware these tractors had a potential issue witht the thrust bearing and I'll be checking on that ASAP, and I plan on replacing all fluids before putting it to work in the fields, other than that, it seems to be a well built machine. Thanks |
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Dan Hauter
Orange Level Joined: 06 Feb 2011 Location: Carlinville, IL Points: 1223 |
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Welcome to the Forum and congratulations on becoming an A-C owner! I don't have a 6080 so I'll defer to the more knowledgeable members. You've come to the right place for advice. Some people who know what they're talking about will be along soon to answer your questions. Have you heard of Old Allis News? It's a magazine, published quarterly, and dedicated to those of us who have orange blood in our veins. www.oldallisnews@amerytel.net. Lots of advertisers in Old Allis News and information on where to go for parts. The advertisers on the Forum are also a valuable source of information. Good luck with your new purchase! Dan.
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flo
Bronze Level Joined: 30 Jul 2020 Location: Canada Points: 12 |
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Hi Dan, thanks for your reply and the info. I'll make sure to check out Old Allis News, it looks like the ''orange'' tractors have quite the following. So far, the only issue I have identified on the tractor is the a/c not working. I am not sure whether the thrust bearing was ever replaced, but I looked at the serial number and it is 7413, with would indicate 1985 or newer if I'm not mistaken. Also there is a KHD enblem on the front grille. Does anyone have any input on that (serial number break after which the thrust bearing issue was fixed form the factory and not as a recall)? Thanks
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MACK
Orange Level Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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Hope it has front thrust bearing. If it don't, put one on it and keep it adjusted to .006. Every time you change oil, check clearance , adjust and grease.
Always operate with big lever on right forward, unless using PTO. MACk
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Orangeisgreat190
Bronze Level Joined: 07 Apr 2020 Location: Ohio Points: 50 |
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Excellent tractors. I have ran a 6080 and personally they are my favorite tractor. Maybe Billoh will be along to tell you more. He does most of his farming with one he bought brand new in 1983.
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AC720Man
Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4635 |
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Welcome to the forum and you bought a good series tractor. We have a 6060, the 6080 is intercooled and has a 3 range transmission versus the 2 range in the 6060. Same engine and a lot of similarities between the 2. Make sure you understand the operation of the pto, the pto disconnect lever. Good to see in your picture that the disconnect lever is in the forward position as it should be when the pto is not in use. The thrust bearing issue came about because too many folks were operating this lever incorrectly. When that lever is pulled back in the disconnect position it puts a lot of pressure on the thrust bearing in the front of the engine. It’s not an issue if it is used properly. The whole purpose of that lever by pulling it back is to temporarily disconnect the pto to say go from one windrow of hay to another that may be 100 feet away without having to keep running the baler. As you approach the windrow you slowly re engage the lever forward to start the pto again. If there is one gripe about these tractors it is the pto engagement. Bring the tractor to idle, pull back the pto disconnect lever at which point the yellow light will appear on your dash, reach to your left and pull up on the pto knob. Expect to hear some grinding, pull up firmly. Slowly release the disconnect lever and your pto will become active. The point is, when the pto is not in use, always put the pto disconnect in the forward position. It was designed for only temporary disconnect of the pto and should never be left in the rearward/disconnect position. They are a really good tractor, powerful 4 cylinder turbo engine. Ours is a 1981, has only needed a fuel pump rebuild about 10 years ago. Very fuel efficient and has been extremely reliable.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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AC720Man
Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4635 |
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Forgot to say Nice looking tractor, cab, fwd and loader are 3 nice options. Hope it does well for you.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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AC720Man
Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4635 |
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MACK are the thrust bearing support still available? Would like to get one for our 6060 but was told they were no longer available. Dad bought it new in 1981 and the dealer never told us a kit was available later on.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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Mikez
Orange Level Access Joined: 16 Jan 2013 Location: Usa Points: 8135 |
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Welcome to the forum. Good luck with new tractor
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MACK
Orange Level Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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If not new, I would check with salvage yards. MACK
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DSeries4
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7202 |
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Welcome and congrats on buying a fine tractor from a fellow
Canuck The best way to learn about your new tractor is to buy an
operator's manual. They can be found cheap on ebay and contain pretty
much everything you want to know about the tractor - how, what and when
to service, what fluids to use etc. The best investment to keep your
tractor going for years to come. I too have a
1985 6080 like yours - without the loader and 4wd. Mine is Serial #7112
so I can help address a couple of your concerns: Deutz bought out AC
in March 1985. I found out that mine was built in mid June of that
year. It too had the KHD emblem on the front with Deutz Allis stickers
placed over the originals. Fortunately the previous owners removed the
DA stickers before I bought it. I found out that the KHD emblem on the
front was glued right over top of the AC emblem. Some people have
successfully removed it and saved the AC emblem - I just bought a new
one. So it was sold as a Deutz Allis although it was (and still is) a
bona fide AC. Secondly, mine does not have the
thrust bearing on the front of the engine either. I recall reading
somewhere that later production tractors like mine and yours had a
stronger block which did not require an external thrust bearing. Mine
has never had any problems - yet. But if you lock out the PTO when not
in use, you should be fine. My air
conditioning does not work either. I traced it to a hole in the
evaporator in the roof of the cab. It turns out that they made the
evaporator and heater core as 1 unit and it would be a massive pain to
remove it to get it fixed. Not a big deal for me, mine basically gets
used on the snowblower in the winter - the heater works very well! Fluids
and filters can usually be found at Napa. However, some of the other
parts are best to be sourced from your local ACGO dealer. My closest
dealer is 2 hours away, but they courier stuff out pretty quick. Vendors
here are also a good source for good used parts if needed. Look after it and it will look after you. |
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flo
Bronze Level Joined: 30 Jul 2020 Location: Canada Points: 12 |
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Thanks for the great input on proper PTO operation you guys. Good to hear these are good tractors, like I said I don't know much about them but it looks like there are a lot of them around, only not in my area, and it seems I've come to the right place to learn! AC720Man, I'll make sure to operate that PTO properly so that I can keep the tractor for a very long time, as it's rare to find a fwd loader tractor with a cab around here, let alone one that has such good looks at the 6000 series A-C. I'll leave the other farmers around to their JD, haha. |
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flo
Bronze Level Joined: 30 Jul 2020 Location: Canada Points: 12 |
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DSeries4, that's a fine snowblower you've got there, nust get the job done in no time Your tractor is mint, looks like it just got out of the factory! Did you get it like that or did you restore it to it's original glory? Thanks
for clarifying the serial number and manufacturing history for me. I
think the previous owner peeled the sitckers just like on yours but left
the KHD emblem on... I'll look for a service manual and will get monkey wrenching to make sure we're off to a good start. I
took a look at the front of the engine and I don't think it has the
thrust bearing support, but I'd be curious to hear more about the
stronger block design you mentionned. Do you know if that is part of the
modifications they made to the engine when they gave them higher
compression for cold starts? As for the A/C, I'll try to trace it down, but you and I are in the same boat climate-wise I imagine, a good working heater is way more important! Another thing I'd like to do is replace the front tires before the winter and get some chains for the front axle. Cheers
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8167 |
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flo,
welcome! Great looking tractor! I know nothing about them but sure like the orange! Looks like a real work horse! Regards, Chris
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Lynn Marshall
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Dana, Iowa Points: 2141 |
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I don't believe that the block was changed as much as the thrust bearing area was increased.
Edited by Lynn Marshall - 03 Aug 2020 at 8:02am |
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AC720Man
Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4635 |
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Your 6080 definitely does not have the thrust bearing kit. Shouldn’t be an issue if pto disconnect lever is used correctly.
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1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD
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flo
Bronze Level Joined: 30 Jul 2020 Location: Canada Points: 12 |
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Hmmm, that’s what I figured too. Hopefully the previous owners knew how to operate the PTO.
Going back to the service bulletin posted above by Lynn Marshall (thanks by the way), does the thrust bearing area increase for the models not included in the bulletin correct the potential issue or is more of a patch fix. Not that I intend on leaving the long leaver in the back position, but I didn’t get a lot of info on the history of the tractor and how it has been operated and serviced. Thanks |
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DSeries4
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Points: 7202 |
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Thanks for the kind words. Dad bought that snowblower 20 years ago, new old stock so he got it cheap. For a 7' single auger, it's pretty heavy - made the front end of the tractor pretty light until I added some front weights a couple of years ago. The tractor is sort of original and sort of restored! I repainted the cab and the wheels when i bought it 13 years ago. The frame and side sheets have original paint, I just waxed the sheets real good and it made a decent shine. It only has 4700 hours on it. Still trying to finish off the new interior I put in it a few years ago! As it arrived in the yard... |
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MACK
Orange Level Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Points: 7664 |
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I would still put front bearing on if I could find one. Have saw too many fail with wide thrust bearing and front bearing when operator didn't keep front bearing adjusted. MACK
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flo
Bronze Level Joined: 30 Jul 2020 Location: Canada Points: 12 |
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Dseries4, nice machine! It's amazing how good these tractors look with some fresh paint, and some polish. The original looks are very nice to begin with. I'd like to recoat mine too, especially the rear rims which are showing a few speckles of rust.
Mack, thanks for the advice on the bearing, just to be clear, that would be installing a supporting bearing assembly in front of the pulley? I'll try to find a service manual to learn more about keeping the original thrust bearing adjusted properly. Thanks |
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AllisFreak MN
Orange Level Access Joined: 07 Dec 2009 Location: Minnesota Points: 1499 |
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If there's no oil leakage from the front seal that is a good sign that it was used properly. 6000 series are good tractors if cared for.
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flo
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AllisFreak MN, thanks for the tip, I'll check that tomorrow!
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flo
Bronze Level Joined: 30 Jul 2020 Location: Canada Points: 12 |
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Hi everyone, sorry for bumping this old thread, but I'm learning quite a bit about my tractor as I work with it. As the winter approaches, I'm considering buying a pto driven snowblower. However, the unit I'm looking at (Inland da-92) requires 2 hydraulic valves (to operate chute), and because the loader on my tractor is hooked up on the rear valves, I would need to either give up on using the loader when moving snow (not really an option) or install 2 additional hydraulic valves. How would one go about installing two remotes on a 6080? Sorry if I'm asking this but I've never really done this kind of upgrades, or worked much on the hydraulics of a tractor before. Any input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
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DiyDave
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There are electric solenoid hydraulic valve splitters that can accomplish this, relatively cheaply...
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