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frnkeore 
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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 10:14am |
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Yes, a very nice looking farm fresh tractor!
Gerald, that link, doesn't work for me.
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Frank
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TimCNY
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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 10:09am |
Congratulations, now read first then drive lol. Maintenance is what determines whether or not they're still here or if they were scrapped years ago. And whether they'll still be around in another 50 years or not.  Check the brakes, too - and as much as I like to complain about what until recently considered an idiotic brake design (thanks for the education, Don(MO)!), when they used to be worked regularly the brakes were being relined every 3-4 years so the pins never had much chance to seize up like they do (or seem to) today. Have fun!
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 9:26am |
I have had good success looking for AC manuals at: http://grandpas-tractor-site.s3.amazonaws.com/manuals/ac many manuals are available for purchase on ebay. Neglect the IT manuals. They are very thin compared to official factory shop manuals. They believe you know machinery fundamentals, e.g. have worked on tractors for half a century. Gerald J.
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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 9:08am |
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That is a fine looking 45! Think you will enjoy it a lot!
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Sugarmaker
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Posted: 22 Jun 2019 at 6:44am |
aj, I looked at the picture and it looks to be a straight solid tractor. If your grandpa has a body shop I am sure it will turn out great. Things to look for: Good strong snap action in the hand clutch, pesky oil leaks for almost any orifice Jumping out of gear, typically third any engine smoke, Lots of books out there. Try to get a service manual, usually better than the IT manuals. Have fun and be carefull! We need some more pictures when you get it out. Regards, Chris
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Posted: 21 Jun 2019 at 10:43pm |
uploads/19869/AC_wd45.jpg
Well here she is! Me and my grandpa are going to start restoring the body the 2nd week of July. All we will have to do is sand and paint, she is in great shape! I must say I am very glad I went with the WD45, I have had a lot of AC enthusiast's compliment how great these tractors are. I have drove it a few times and runs great! I already picked up a snow blade for 90 bucks! Thanks for your guys help. Can I ask again, now what? I know nothing about these old tractors, are there any books or manuals I should look for? Any important things to know about them??? Thanks!
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 8:03pm |
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My favorite tractor that I don't have. The WD45 was a terror in field demos in it's day. Put the competition on it's heels.
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frnkeore
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 11:22am |
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It's still not showing. I'd like to see it, also.
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Frank
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 10:12am |
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 8:10am |
aj, Congratulations! You have a icon of the Allis-Chalmers tractors! Your picture does not show for me? Regards, Chris
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ajlewis
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Posted: 20 Jun 2019 at 7:59am |
Well guys I ended up and went with the WD45 and I am super glad I did!!!! I paid a little more for it than I originally wanted, but because it has no mechanical issues, 3 point hitch and WIDE front end I got it!!! Also the body is in great shape compared to most! I paid 1350 for it. I actually talked to my grandpa and it was a similar tractor they had on his farm. We are going to sand and paint it the original AC orange too (he has a body shop). Anyone know what year it is? Also, anyone know some need to knows about the WD45??? This is my first tractor and could use any info you are willing to share? Thanks for all your help I could not be happier with it!!!
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 8:42pm |
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I for one think a little overkill is just fine, maybe even makes a ordinary job a fun one. Over sized is always better than under sized.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 5:48pm |
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x2 what Fred said. The hand clutch in the CA runs dry. Could be rusted together. Or it could be bolted together. In either case the cure is to remove the rhs axle housing, pull the clutch and rebuild it. Or it could be working but slipping....or it could be fine. Good idea to get as much information about it as possible.
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HoughMade
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 3:03pm |
 HudCo wrote:
for one acre why not just a good garden tractor or a compact like a 720 ? |
Yeah, these all seem like overkill for 1 acre.
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Fred in Pa
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 1:09pm |
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If u buy the CA with bush hog mower on it .Ask the owner if they used the hand clutch with it . The hand clutch might be rusted fast . The WD hand clutch runs in oil .
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HudCo
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 9:41am |
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for one acre why not just a good garden tractor or a compact like a 720 ?
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Gerald J.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 9:29am |
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Steve at B&B can supply a new wiring harness.
There were two versions of the Ford 8N engine. The early ones used the distributor mounted on the front of the block like the 9N and 2N and late 30s vintage V-8 car engines. Hard to work on. The last year of the 8N used a side mounted distributor that is much easier to work on when needed.
The Ford N series PTO is driven by the intermediate shaft in the transmission so if a mower is spinning it will propel the tractor unless the overrunning clutch is added to the PTO connection. Without the overrunning clutch the tractors often run into trees, buildings, power poles, or over bank edges.
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 8:00am |
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Just found a AC wd 45 with 3 point hitch and wide front end for 1100. The owner said the wires were chewed through by rodents so they need replaced. Is this a hard fix? I am really liking the wd series the more I hear about them. You guys have been a huge help, would appreciate a little more help on this.
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DaveKamp
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Posted: 17 Jun 2019 at 1:38am |
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IMO, the best 'n-series' tractor is actually the Ferguson TO-35... but I wouldn't put it in the same competition category as a WD... there's just no comparison between a 120ci flathead and a 201ci OHV engine...
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Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 8:18am |
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I say get the CA, if a WD and 9N are your only other options. If it were a 8N or Jubilee, I’d say get that. The 600/800 mentioned earlier are great tractors too. They are a “series” though, not a model number. Just improved/higher powered versions of the Jubilee. If you were to go that route, and wanted live PTO, you’d need a 660 or 661 or 860 or 861.
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AC720Man
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Posted: 16 Jun 2019 at 7:09am |
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We have a 1952 CA and WD. Either tractor would work well for your needs. The CA has a 6’ Woods belly mower on it and does a fantastic job of mowing. The hand clutch works pretty well for a 67 year old tractor but will need to be replaced if we would do any plowing as it would probably slip. The WD’s hand clutch is much heavier. Neither tractor has power steering which in my opinion is their only down fall. If you have hills get a wide front end for safety. My WD is a narrow front and caution must be used if using it on hills more so than a wide front end. Both have a lot power for their size and are fairly easy to work on due to their design. Parts are readily available. WD’s are easier and less expensive to come by due to the mass numbers that were produced. I paid $300 for WD, put $250 more in it and have a fine running machine. Perfect hay raking tractor which is why I wanted one. We have 3 point for the CA but not for the WD. Both are great tractors.
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Posted: 15 Jun 2019 at 8:12pm |
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WD and never look back!!!
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Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 11:36am |
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WD all the way
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Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 11:19am |
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I bush hog with an 8N, great little tractor. My 6' mower is a bit much for it. 4' would be ideal. They recommend 5 hp per foot. Friends 170 handled it like a dream. I like my 8N with both brakes on one side and 4 speed trany, drove a few 9N's and didn't like the pedal set up or 3 spd. WD with a 6ft mower would make short work of an acre of grass
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Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 7:09am |
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I put a 3ph on one of my CA's and us a 6' finish mower on about 4 acres with it. Not that hard to put one on the Allis, I bought the arms off ebay cheap and bought the bracket from one of the sites to mount the lift arms for $75.
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Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 6:30am |
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Go with the WD its twice the tractor of either of the other two easy to find parts and i realy dont loke the CA hand clutch i have hadall three choices the only reason i still have a CA is you cant beet it for mowing
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Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 5:58am |
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I am a big fan of WD's they are easy to build your own three point hitch on. A Ford 9n has only three speeds as said and as such a slow road speed. Many other flaws in my opinion as well, the only thing going for them is the factory three point. Keep us posted !!
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Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 5:47am |
My 'vote' is for the CA. Had one , great tractor. Also has a 2N( 1944 version of the 1939 9N which is only a 3 speed, CA is 4 speed. Since you're talking 1 acre( like me..) smaller is better, easier to do 'stuff'.WD has more HP but bigger, like my D-14s. I just can't 'see' needing a bushhog for 1 acre though, I get by with a 42" rider, though 1/2 is a veggie garden..maybe your land is hilly or rough. 1K for the CA/BH is an OK price, GREAT compared to a 'riding mower', providing it's complete, tire ok, etc. If it doesn't work out, you should get 350-500 for the BH depending on area you live in...so 500$ for a CA.. I'd buy it !! I used a rear blade on my D-14 for snowplowing. PITA always turning around, hands and feet going everywhere cause it's a small driveway. I use a dedicated rider/front snowblower now and planning to bodge 2 walkbehinds onto a SSQA plate for my Kubota. There's a lot of options, pros and cons so write them down on a paper ! Take pictures of the tractors from EVERY side. But from here, the CA seems to be the better choice.
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Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 5:35am |
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I really appreciate all the feedback guys. I think I just need to make the decision on going with the CA or WD. I really like how Big the wd is compared to the CA.
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Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 5:31am |
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PaulB can you tell me how much you want for it? I am I interested. My cell number is 419-603-9286
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