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    Posted: 13 Jun 2019 at 4:51pm
Finally removed the Starter and having it repaired ! dead short a draining the battery a broken + post! On the starter We will see.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote prbean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 5:19pm
update my 200 Allis should have back from the repair shop by Tues. so he though he said there was a dead short in the poss. post! I hope this will solve the problems with charging He said that the brushes  looked surprising good for the age of the tractor 45 yrs old  

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What brand starter?     MACK
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I don't no no tag on the starter original I assume  
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200 tractors came with Delco or Lucas brand starters. Older 200's usually the Delco (which is very heavy and smashes your hands when you remove it) and later models had the Lucas (which was smaller, lighter and poorer quality).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote prbean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jun 2019 at 12:15pm
This very heavy Two of us (my son and me to get out) so from info Dr. I would say it is a Delco not a Lucas  but the re builder will know he de not act like it was a problem to get the field replaced and repaired cleaned up! This a 1973  or 74 model I'll keep you all posted PB 
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Sounds like a Delco. If it was a Lucas, I would tell you to replace it.    MACk
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Why does everyone dislike the Lucas starter? My 200 has a Lucas and in 45 years it has had one rebuild. It seems to crank the engine faster than the Delco on a 185 we bought new in 1972. I will admit my 200 is the easiest starting tractor I have ever seen and requires very little cranking.
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Then, someone overhauled your 200 one time and installed 16 to 1 compression pistons in it. Factory was 15 to 1 and they started fair at best, not good. Lucas starters were NOT as rugged as a Delco and 15 to 1 pistons didn't help that a bit.
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Mine has always been hard to start especially when it a little colder or when it hadn't been stated in a while without the help of a little help from starting!   
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Lucas Electric---- the Prince of Darkness! Ask anyone who ever worked on British cars or motorcycles.
sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?"
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Starter installed still won't start ! Delco starter ! Wiring diagram would help!  
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Still won't  START ??  or still won't CRANK ??   there is a huge difference.
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Does nothing still looking to see what I left off ! Thank you Dr.
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Wish I had a picture before I took it apart! Cranking is another issue. Starting fluid away works
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I assume from your answer that the starter does NOT crank your engine at all. The wiring is pretty simple to put back on a starter and I would have thought that the starter rebuilder would have certainly made sure it turned over before he sent it to you. If it doesn't crank and the wires are correct, then you may have had a bad ground cable from the start or at least a cable that wasn't making good ground? Have you checked the ground cable or cleaned it off and made sure it is making good contact? This happened to me with a non-AC tractor but the starter rebuilder noticed that there was nothing wrong with my starter and clued me in.
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Have a Lucas in my 7010. All I can say is big new batteries make a world of difference.
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White wire from the key switch to the starter push button. 14 GAUGE white wire from the starter push button to the safety switch on the clutch pedal to the starter.
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Did you check the clutch safety switch, you will not be getting power to the starter if it is bad , bypass the switch and see what happens
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With someone on tractor holding clutch down, jump from battery cable post to small terminal with white wire with screw driver. It should spin engine over.   MACK
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I had a cable go bad right after the T at the air heater relay. Moving the cable during other maintenance opened the circuit. Looked connected but had no continuity. She was a 1 hour diagnose and 3 hr parts chase but I’ve always preferred coincidental breakdowns at the shop over in field ones!
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Starter works fine now! turns the motor over fast! Start the motor good. Still having to start it by jumping across the terminals of the solenoid to start! Still trying to figure out the switch wiring!  Thanks to all! Keep trying till I get it.
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Switch wiring problems now. If someone would be kind enough to take picture of the wiring in there service manual it would be greatly appreciated Thanks PB   
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Look it up in the Agco parts books. It's all there in black and white showing wires and all.
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Not to be a smart a** but you need to get you an owners manual if you plan on keeping your 200. It has wiring diagram for both open station and cab models along with lots of other helpful info.
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Order shop manual yesterday from Amazon ! Check out Argo parts book helpful   but black and white photo!! Thanks Ky Allis  for remind Me! PB
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