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UPDATE: Back out working on the WD front hubs.

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    Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 2:11pm
Finally got back out to the WD today. Started to clean up all of the inside of the hub assembly. Here's the spindle itself. It looks like the threads are almost toast on the end, and almost like the cotter pin slot is wallered out (wonder if the hub slamming in and out started to beat the castle nut sideways against the tip?). I assume the little flat washer and spacer should be able to come off the spindle, right? They seem on there solid.


So cleaned up the hub cap side of the hub... It didn't seem to be in too bad of shape. However, the bearing I pulled out of here seems to have a lot of play in it as I spin it. Definitely heavily worn.


Then I cleaned up the big side of the hub... This is where it gets fun. What do you see?


Do you see it? There's literally three giant cracks in the bearing race. Probably blown all the way through, I haven't tried to punch them out yet. Here's a better pic:


Also, somebody asked about the farmer fix hub cap... Apparently after the end was sliced through, it was welded up "to make it hold grease again", but whether the bearings or races were replaced at that point, I have no idea. But I'm starting to see where there were 4 shims inside the hub.


Anybody have any thoughts on what my next step should be? I've got new bearings and races to install in the hub. Not sure what to do about the worn out threads on the spindle tip though.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Michael V (NM) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jun 2019 at 2:24pm
Ouch! I really don't like the looks of that spindle,, don't think ya can fix them threads to hold a nut like its supposed to,sure looks like a spindle replacement to me,, BTW,, I gots a couple parts WD's here if ya need one..bound to be something closer tho...
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that "flat washer" looks like it could be a Speedy sleeve, I think as plentiful as those models were, I'd be looking for a hub and a spindle
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There is a two piece nut avaiable to go on worn threads such as yours. I think they are marketed for Fords (FixOrRepairDaily) the main part of the nut goes on to tighten the end play, then the outer part tighens up over a taper to hold things tight.
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Not only do those threads look flat and shelled out, it looks like the whole threaded end is stretched. It has kind of an hourglass shape thinner in the middle. No way you should reuse any of those parts, start fresh with all new hubs, spindles, bearings, the works.


Edited by Bill_MN - 14 Jun 2019 at 4:25pm
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I am going to try and hammer the bearing races out tomorrow and see how damaged the hub looks with that out and cleaned up. But yeah, the spindle tip seems like the threads are worn down and a bit wallered out in the key hole and perhaps hourglassed a bit. Will take the micrometer with me tomorrow and see how much out of flat it is.

I have seen those wheel clamp nuts, I think I may have to invest in a pair, as I am sure the other side is boogered up too. I was hoping to keep this tractor as original as possible, so new hubs and spindles are not out of the question, but I want to make sure these are beyond salvaging (for a reasonable price).
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I would get some good used ones from salvage yard. Should be easy to find.
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I would be looking for a good used spindle and all associated parts .  That way you do not have to revisit this problem later on down the road.
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toss and replace PDQ AND check the other one !
Interesting hole the bearing fractured 3 or 4 places !
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I'll bet your hubs are ok, they prolly just need the new races,, now if the races don't press fit, and spin or just fall in place, then a new/different hub will be needed
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I'm sorry, I know you want to keep it as "original" as possible, but --- what in the heck about it NOW is anywhere NEAR "original," lol!!! If you're anything like me, by the time you get done saving a buck or ten, you're scores or hundreds of hours more time, a LOT more work, and darn near the same money as going the better, faster, cheaper, easier route -> buy a good used unit from one of the guys offering one to you. Not picking, just sayin... I know what it's like.
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The spindle bearings surfaces should be measured and compared to the ID of new bearings. It looks to me like the bearings have been spinning on the spindle.
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Originally posted by Dave (Mid-MI) Dave (Mid-MI) wrote:

The spindle bearings surfaces should be measured and compared to the ID of new bearings. It looks to me like the bearings have been spinning on the spindle.


I went out tonight and took my calipers and did some measurements (which may not be amazingly accurate) of the bearing surfaces left on the spindle vs. the inside of the new bearings. Here is what I see.

Inner Spindle, Up/Down: 1.475"
Inner Spindle, Left/Right: 1.491"

Outer Spindle, Up/Down: 1.182"
Outer Spindle, Left/Right: 1.186"

New Bearing For Inner Spindle: 1.501"
New Bearing For Outer Spindle: 1.189"

Will have to hammer out the races and post those pictures next weekend of what I find -- ran out of time thanks to the rain today.


Edited by garden_guy - 15 Jun 2019 at 9:58pm
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if you bought a new bearing and race just install them.   I know alot of bearings auto come with new races.  do like I and several others have told you go buy a used set up and be done with it .
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