What was the original paint on a allis
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Topic: What was the original paint on a allis
Posted By: allischalmerguy
Subject: What was the original paint on a allis
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 4:41pm
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What type of paint did they use when the painted WD's and WD-45's? Did they prime it first? Thanks ------------- It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa, |
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Posted By: Austin(WI)
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 5:04pm
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I wrote a blog post about the process. They did prime it and then painted. It was Persian Orange #1 from Dupont that they used. http://austinfrederick.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/makeup-for-a-tractor/" rel="nofollow - http://austinfrederick.wordpress.com/2012/05/02/makeup-for-a-tractor/
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Posted By: Gary in da UP
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 8:21pm
| The type of paint would have been an alkyd enamel... dupont dulux is an alkyd enamel. |
Posted By: yzfarmgirl28
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 8:22pm
| Persian 1 |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 9:36pm
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Austin, I have never seen any evidence of primer paint on any of my tractors from 1935 to 1960.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 10:05pm
| I agree with Chuck, I have never seen any sign of primer being used on the pre 65 tractors. The paints that were used in those years was a LEAD BASED paint and didn't need prime as todays paints do. The coverage was better also. Bob |
Posted By: bitburn
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 10:22pm
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What paint was used for high temp items like the engine and manifold? Is there an AC Orange Engine paint, or does everyone use chevy orange? |
Posted By: Redwood
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 10:38pm
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On the 48 WC I'm working on there are some areas have primer and some don't. The bell housing I'm working on tonight may have been dipped as it was fully covered with red primer, as was the inside of the grill and other areas that either got paint on one side only or maybe no finish paint at all. |
Posted By: allischalmerguy
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 10:46pm
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Austin, Thanks for the write up. I think I saw it before but forgot about it. Since they could paint a tractor in 8 minutes (2 guys 4 minutes each) they must of had a very high solids paint or used lacquer because is drys very fast! Pastor Mike ------------- It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa, |
Posted By: mdtractormechanic
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 10:54pm
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I was pressure washing my 1950 C last summer and also found red primer. ------------- Joe's 1939 Model WC, 1940 Model RC, 1944 & 1950 Model C's, B-125 PU |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 12:13am
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Often castings that need to hold oil were painted inside with an alkyd paint like GE Glyptal that would look like a primer. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 5:09am
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How about the yellow base color that you find? I have found this on my B and both D12's. Not on the D17 though. ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: TexasAllis
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 6:42am
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I think the primer on castings was to seal in any sand left over from the casting process. It would migrate into the oil over time. ------------- 1944 Allis C 1960 Allis D-17 LP |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 6:51am
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Because cast iron is porous they would prime the inside of castings so oil would not seep through over the years. That's what they told us at mechanics school 20 years ago. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: nella(Pa)
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 7:29am
| I have from new a WD and D17, neither had primer under the outside paint. |
Posted By: Austin(WI)
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 8:07am
We found primer on our tractors that we have restored, but I guess they were D series. So maybe they didn't prime back then.
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CTuckerNWIL wrote:Posted By: Redwood
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 8:23am
There is primer on the larger part of our 48 wc both on the cast and on sheet metal. There are also pieces that did not get primer(none on the airbreather). The peices that do have primer it would be hard to notice if you didn't wire brush and sand by hand. It is a thin layer of red primer (a lot like rust colour). If it were sandblasted or dunked you'd never see it. It is only noticable in the places where the original finish is well intact. It does not survive long unprotected by the top coat. I make no assertion this is typical or standard (Kinda like saying the PO1 on my tractor is the real PO1 ) But I can say this is the factory original paint.(what little there is)
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Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 5:37am
This is the torque tube on my '63 D12. Typical of the color that I find ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 6:43am
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Posted By: Redwood
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 6:54am
| Kinda looks like industrial tractor stock got scavanged to use on ag tractors to keep the line moving. Or maybe shortage of stock primer. It does show the difference in tractors coming off the line. |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 6:59am
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The '39 IB I just got has chipped/peeling paint like above. I thought it had been a yellow tractor, repainted orange. Will have to look closer.... ------------- Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. From listening comes wisdom and from speaking comes repentance. Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise. |
Posted By: Charlie175
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 7:19am
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I have Found that color on a '48 B, '63 D12, '64 D12 and the '61 D17. Mainly on the torque tubes and block ------------- Charlie '48 B, '51 CA, '56 WD45 '61 D17, '63 D12, '65 D10 , '68 One-Ninety XTD |
Posted By: mdtractormechanic
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 7:47am
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It doesn't take a genius to distinguish between the inside and outside a machine. The red primer found on my 50 C was on the outside under the orange paint. Out of curiosity, I checked the 44 C and also found some red under the orange. I didn't say the entire machine was coated in red just that I found some. ------------- Joe's 1939 Model WC, 1940 Model RC, 1944 & 1950 Model C's, B-125 PU |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 9:27am
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That yellow was on the torqe tubes on my D19, my series IV D17 and on Dads series III XT. ------------- AGCO My Allis Gleaner Company |
Posted By: Austin(WI)
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 6:27pm
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That is primer...all of our D series tractors have them. You will be able to tell if it was the yellow industrial paint under it. ------------- "Better By Design" |
Posted By: wkpoor
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 7:36pm
| My 52 CA has red primer under the orange at least on the castings outside as well as inside. |
Posted By: jnicol6600
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 7:57pm
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My 63 d17 has the same yellow primer as above on the cast parts. Under the heat shield on the left side of the transmission was never orange just yellow |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2012 at 8:24pm
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Red Glyptal is more than likely what was on the early bell housings and tranny cases and engine blocks. It probably wasn't meant as much as a primer, but an oil sealant on castings. I would guess, it eventually became easier to dip the castings so it got on all surfaces instead of just sprayed on the inside.
------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Redwood
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2012 at 6:41am
| a first coat or layer of paint, size, etc., given to any surface as a base, sealer, or the like. Primer -- a first coat or layer of paint, size, etc./ given to any surface as a base, sealer, or the like. Point is you all are right Glyptal / yellow / red, and even PO is primer if more then one coat was applied the original question was if primer was used and clearly it was. Even found grey primer yesterday one the drive shaft cover between the transmission and torque tube. |
Posted By: WC7610
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 2:35pm
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I wrote a blog post about the process. They did prime it and then painted
I just read the link posted and there is no mention of primer. Aside from the castings, I've noticed primer on our WC/WD's ------------- Thanks Most Bad Government has grown out of Too Much Government- Thomas Jefferson |
Posted By: Austin(WI)
Date Posted: 24 Jun 2012 at 2:50pm
Well, I guess I should have been more specific. I meant I wrote a blog about it. I should have added that they must have primed them because we have found primer on our tractors. ------------- "Better By Design" |
Posted By: Austin(WI)
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 8:22am
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I take back what I said...I don't think they primed the tractors before final orange coats. If you watch some of the old 16mm films of the tractor assembly line. It shows them putting bare metal parts on the tractors and then it rolls right into the orange paint booth. The only parts that have anything on them before painting is some of the cast parts.
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Posted By: allischalmerguy
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 9:54pm
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Austin, Thanks for the update. It would sure be interesting to know the formula for that original paint that needed no primer except for cast parts! ------------- It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa, |
Posted By: ctbowles58
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 10:02pm
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I HAVE HURD BACK WHEN THAY USED LEAD IN PAINT YOU DID NOT HAVE TO USE PRIMER. ------------- 190XT 2WD45 WF D15 D14 CA BIG10 302 & 303 bailers 77G rake 80R mower 6 plows and alot more |