Early B Plow Pictures
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Topic: Early B Plow Pictures
Posted By: wjohn
Subject: Early B Plow Pictures
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 8:08am
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I came across some pictures of this plow from an online auction site a while back, and I thought some of the early B guys might be interested. It's a different version of the hand lift than the one I have.    
------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
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Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 8:23am
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That is an older B Plow. In fact I cannot remember one that we installed that looked like this. The hand lift arrangement is so unique. This does not look like a Waird (?) plow attachment since that uses the B draw bar turned forward and mounted on the front brackets of the final drive. A most interesting set of pictures. Thanks for sharing. Good Luck! Bill Long |
Posted By: craigreavley
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 9:45am
| I have a 38 B that came with the original plow and all the attachments and it looks just like that. Has its own forward facing drawbar. Same hand lift as well |
Posted By: MikeinLcoMo
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 9:49am
| Thanks WJohn, always enjoy early B pixs and mounted equipment. |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 10:37am
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That is the first mounted B plow. I have one, along with the manual, etc. ------------- Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. From listening comes wisdom and from speaking comes repentance. Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise. |
Posted By: craigreavley
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 10:45am
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This is the 38 that I was given. They were using the plow hand lift to lift the woods deck. The engine was stuck for over 10 years. After soaking it for a week, it broke loose, and ran. It smoked like a house of fire for almost a year then quit smoking all together
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Posted By: OzarkAC
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 11:24am
| I have this same plow as well except the rear brackets and how it attaches to the front drawbar are slightly different. |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 11:56am
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How many versions of the mounted plow were made? I feel like there were 3 or so variations of the hand lift plow. I need to dig out my '39 B plow parts book/manual. It lists two different versions of the piece that rotates on the rockshaft. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 1:04pm
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There were 3 versions of the B plow. I am fortunate to have saved one of each, as well as obtain original manuals for each version. I also have the Dealer Parts Manuals that deatail out each model and what makes them different from one another. ------------- Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. From listening comes wisdom and from speaking comes repentance. Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise. |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 1:20pm
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Thanks, Glenn. You B gurus sure are nice to have around here! craigreavley, I wouldn't mind seeing more pictures of your '38 B and attachments if you get the chance. John ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 10:06pm
| that plow was listed as being from September of 38 until March of 39, they made a change to it in March of 39 and used that one until Janurary of 40. Then they made another change and used it until April of 40, after which another change was made and in use until Sept of 40. still another change was made and that one was used until August of 42. These are all changes in the lift and leveling arrangement. the last of these was made in December of 40. There were also several different depth adjusting arrangements used between 38 and 41. also 3 different lift assemblies were used 38-39, 39- 41 and after 41. As well as beam changes, drawbar changes etc. Constantly improving the product and performance. Bob |
Posted By: Emmo213
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 7:51am
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Is there a model number for these plows? I'd love to have a manual for them but aren't really sure what to look for. I'm told back in one of our sheds there's a mounted plow for my '38 B (no hydraulics). That was going to be one of my projects this year if I can dig it out.
------------- '38 Allis B '41 JD A |
Posted By: Wil M (NEIA)
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 8:05am
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There was a plow like that on Harvey Zabel's sale. I did not see how much it went for or who bought it. I had never seen one like it before so didn't pay much attention to it. To bad this post wasn't before the sale, then I would have paid more attention to it. ------------- "Yet there are soulless men whose hand and brain tear down what time will never give again." Anderson M Scruggs |
Posted By: Brian G. NY
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 8:31am
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wjohn,
The lift lever on that B sure looks like it would provide lots of leverage but it also
looks like you'd have to have an arm like an ape to reach it. LOL
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Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 8:39am
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Emmo213, I found my plow manual at an Allis Chalmers show from a vendor that had tubs of literature for sale. It's from May of '39, I think, so it covers the March '39 change that Chalmersbob mentioned. I don't believe there was an actual model number for this plow, but I could be wrong. Brian G., I know! I'm kind of intimidated by the lever on my plow. I haven't set it up yet, but I hope my 125 lbs can lift that thing haha!
------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: Emmo213
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2012 at 10:01pm
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Ha! Got a bit of free time and found what I was looking for.    ------------- '38 Allis B '41 JD A |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2012 at 6:40pm
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That is a fairly early plow, but I think it has the hydraulically lifted rockshaft? I'm pretty sure that's the first version of the hydraulically lifted plow. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: Emmo213
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 7:36am
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Oh, well this summer we'll find out. No offense but I kinda hope you're wrong, only from the perspective of my B doesn't have hydraulics. That's one of the nice things about messing with these old tractors: everything's an adventure! ------------- '38 Allis B '41 JD A |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 9:57am
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That plow/rockshaft is definately a hand lift. I have the same setup on one of my 1938 B's. ------------- Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. From listening comes wisdom and from speaking comes repentance. Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise. |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 11:10am
This is probably what had me confused (yes, I realize it's had additional stuff welded to it). The hydraulic lift version looks very similar for that style of plow. I have pictures of a complete setup on my home computer that I'll try to post later. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 11:15am
My bad, I do have a photo online. This is from someone's B at OPOP: ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 12:37pm
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The rockshaft is the same, for both hand lift and hydraulic. If he doesn't have hydraulic on his tractor, it would have been handlift. ------------- Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. From listening comes wisdom and from speaking comes repentance. Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise. |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 1:30pm
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That's pretty nifty. Wouldn't take much effort to put it on a B with hydraulics. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: Emmo213
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 3:38pm
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Would it be possible to get some other pictures of hand lifted plows for the B? This could be a good resource for other in the future. Thanks everybody! ------------- '38 Allis B '41 JD A |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2012 at 4:24pm
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I keep trying to talk Glenn into posting pictures of his, but so far he's been holding out! Hehe. It would be really neat to have a picture of each version in this thread. I've posted this before, but here's the one that came with my '40 B, which Glenn has been kind enough to help me locate parts for. Someday I'll have time to get it mounted...  ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 02 May 2012 at 8:29pm
Here's the 5-39 edition plow manual that I have. It mentions different lift parts prior to May but doesn't show any pictures. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 02 May 2012 at 10:50pm
| the early rock shaft C shaped lift did not line up with the placement of the hydraulic cylinder. The one picture looks like the cylinder is mounted under the seat support. I had an early hand lift plow when I was 13. It's quite a job to lift. My tractor had hydraulics, but the cylinder was too far under the tractor to line up with the lift attachment (C), so I ran a bolt through the seat bracket and mounted the ram on the outside of the fender to get the alignment. The early B didn't have a pin mount for the ram, but you could buy a bolt on pin. I know it is shown in the cultivator book. Also the rock shaft diameter was smaller on the early B plow and the lift arms didn't unbolt. The mounting brackets looked like homemade angle iron as shown in one of the plow pictures. Bob |
Posted By: Emmo213
Date Posted: 03 May 2012 at 7:44am
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Excellent! Now I have a better idea of what to look for at the GOTO and some local shows. Thanks!
------------- '38 Allis B '41 JD A |