Fenders!
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Topic: Fenders!
Posted By: R.W
Subject: Fenders!
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2012 at 9:17am
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Why did Allis Chalmers make fenders standard on almost all of there tractors when others (Farmall, John Deere, MM, Oliver, ect.) did not? Also when AC's are missing there fenders they look out of place as when the others don't have them they look better. So I guess my question is, did Allis Chalmers have any special reason for putting fenders on all of there tractors?
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Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2012 at 9:35am
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In my opinion,(we all know what that's worth) the reason for putting fenders on all their tractors is the same reason as they put wheels/tires on all their tractors. They are incomplete without them. ------------- When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!! |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2012 at 10:41am
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Massey Harris, Oliver, Case and most Minnie Mo's as well as AC's all had fenders from the factory. Everything came wth fenders as standard equipment by the late 50's. John Deere an IH were among the hold outs who kept fenders as an option until the 630 - 730 and 460 - 560 as I seem to recall. I don't think an M or an H with the clamshell fenders looks right, but it's only because we've seen thousands of others without any fenders. An M with later flat top fenders just looks wrong to me, like a WD with 170 fenders on it. (that doesn't mean I wouldn't like them on a working tractor) but put a set from a 730 Deere on a 70 and I think they look natural. I don't care for the look of the Deere clamshell fender either, like the IH design they don't look like they were meant to be there and they provide little protection.
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Posted By: JayIN
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2012 at 10:55am
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I think they all had fenders for safety. Most got removed and not put back on. Mfr's liability, etc. ------------- sometimes I walk out to my shop and look around and think "Who's the idiot that owns this place?" |
Posted By: steelwheelAcjim
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2012 at 11:11am
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Fenders on early gas tractors were more for comfort than saftey. The formula used was: if the height of the tallest point of the rear wheel(steel or rubber) was greater than 50% of the operators total height, (standing or sitting) then fenders were recommended. (notice "recommended" rather than "required").
Think of a fender as a dirt & dust shield, instead of a safety device. Later, when it became an issue with operators falling off, or getting run over, thier purpose became a saftey priority.
Still, it was up to the manufacturer to provide fenders on tractors if they wanted to, unless individual state laws required them to have tractors so equipped. Michigan, my home state, had a "fender law" . You'll find alot of H&M's and JD's with fenders here unless they have already been peddled off.
Most manufacturers supplied fenders as standard equipment anyway, unless specifically deleted by the customer. ------------- Pre-WW2 A-C tractors on steel wheels...because I'm too cheap to buy tires! |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2012 at 12:17pm
Thanks for your input guys, I saw a similar question on another forum and it has me wondering.  ------------- In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2012 at 2:29pm
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Dave in Il, I agree with you about 170 fenders on a WD is wrong, BUT, a few years ago at Hutchinosn, there was a unstyled WC with 170 or so fenders, hood , grill, and etc. I am not saying I would ever do this in my house, but at least it was all AC .
I like the bike building shows. I think one of those choppers might look good with D17 fenders over the front tire and WD fenders over the rear. Maybe a WD fuel tank, a short hood and a 200 mess or a D21 chrome grill in front of the engine. The under the hood starter fuel could be used as an oil tank. WD or 8" Guide head lights from the A, U, or UC with two bullet tail lights for turn signals and a B/C red brake/plate light. I would have the only bike with a rack of weights and spin-out rims.
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Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2012 at 6:14pm
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And so much weight you couldn't stand it up to ride it!
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Posted By: jhid
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2012 at 7:04pm
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i thought I read or heard somewhere that most people too the Farmall fenders off because they interfered with the cultivators ------------- red and green are nice for christmas, but orange is all year round http://www.canadianantiquetractor.com/tractorforum/ |
Posted By: Reeseholler
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2012 at 9:15pm
| Besides being nice to hold onto, it always gave me something to ride on when I was a kid! |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 2:28pm
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I would much rather have fenders on my tractors than not, for saftey and to keep dirt and dust away. ------------- In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 5:00pm
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I would guess it had more to do with mounted corn pickers than anything. An awful lot of 2MH pickers out there for a while. ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 5:09pm
I don't think the bottom dwelling scum suckers were around in the 50's like they are now. 90% of Red and green tractors never had them as far as I ever saw. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
JayIN wrote:Posted By: Lester
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 5:29pm
| JD and Farmals did not come with fenders. They had some made because I think Min. required it. They didnot care about safety or all that sand and dirt blowing in their the farmers face. Now I am talking 40s , 50s and early 60s. You only started seeing fenders on Hs ,Ms, 560s, As, Gs, 60s ,70s, until collecters started buying fenders for them. |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 5:37pm
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My Grandfather had an H and then an M later on. The fenders for both were leaning against the garage wall unused. I was quite young but think it had something to do with getting off and on the tractor with the cultivators mounted. I spent a lot of hours after high school a coupla years on the M without fenders fitting ground. Never thought to ask why the fenders were not used. That was the way all the neighbors run their H's and M's. Dad had Olivers and used the fenders a riders bench and a hand rest when plowing. Grand Dad used the back of the seat for a plowing hand rest. Strong left arms.
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Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 6:39pm
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Could it be that IH and JD used the "square" part of the axle to mount most implements where AC and others had more inovative mounting systems. Even the WC had a "drive in" cultivator design. ------------- AGCO My Allis Gleaner Company |
Posted By: Redwood
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2012 at 7:13pm
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Don't forget two important factors The depression and the war affect not only material and money, but peoples thinking. Those that lived through either, had a different way of thinking, even those that could afford things didn't through there money around. Some tractors just weren't sold with all the bells and whistles. I've remodeled homes from the first world war period were not only the wood was recycled, but the nails had been reclaimed and hammered straight again to use. |