Allis Chalmers Data Book
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Topic: Allis Chalmers Data Book
Posted By: wbecker
Subject: Allis Chalmers Data Book
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 4:31pm
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So about a week ago I was reading the post about a war time B project on this site.
The thread lead to talk about a book "Allis Chalmers Data Book" by Terry Dean.
What I got from it all was that it was a very good book, but was out of print, and therefore hard to get, and expensive. There was a post saying that OkTractor had some on ebay for $38, I bought one, $38 + $10 shipping.
On the back cover it is printed "STEINER", so I looked in my new 2012 Steiner catalog, and there it is for $19.95, page 50, item # BOK074.
Just trying to help people not to get ripped off by OkTractor, as I apperently did.
Bill B ------------- Allis B, IB, Low B, G, D10, JD M, 8KCAB, C152 |
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Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 5:03pm
This should get good!!!
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Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 5:31pm
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Awfully Quiet out there in tractor land. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: RockyBottomFarm
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 6:06pm
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So much for the vaseline. Huh ------------- 38 & 41 B, sickle mower, 2 way plows, rear field cultivator, 2 row drill planter 40 Combine 66 Combine Roto Baler |
Posted By: Mike R. in Maine
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 6:38pm
| I'd say that OKTractor bought some from steiner for 20 bucks and some freight and as a business man marked them up to make a profit. Looking at the parts link on this site he's been advertising for over ten years supporting this site. When you bought it you knew what you were paying and what you were getting, and you received it. I know I've gone to a show and bought parts from one vendor, only to find it much cheaper on the other side of the market. I didn't go back to the first man and accuse him of screwing me, I bought and received what I bought, no hard feelings. It's a great book and I hope you enjoy it for years to come. Mike |
Posted By: wbecker
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 6:55pm
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I am not saying I got screwed, I like the book, and was willing to pay the price, thinking it was out of print, my mistake for not doing my research. However, In my opinion, a 100% mark up is unethical and not good buisness practice, they will not get any of my buisness in the future, and I am currently building 2 ACs that will need a lot of parts.
I'm not upset about it, just want others to be in the know.
Bill B ------------- Allis B, IB, Low B, G, D10, JD M, 8KCAB, C152 |
Posted By: Luke R.
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 7:13pm
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If you found an item at walmart for 10 bucks and bought it. Then later you seen the same thing at target for half of that price, that would piss you off enough to never do business with walmart ever again? Like you said poor research on your part. Maybe stiener bought 1000 books and got a cheaper price on them. And maybe OK Tractor being a way smaller company than steiner only bought 100 of them but didnt get a discount for buying in bulk. Lots of variables there, buying one item isnt enough to form an opinion of them. Just saying. ------------- 4-7030's,170G,220FWA,3-220's,210,D21II,D21I industrial,2-200's,3-190's,175D,2-D19D's,D19G,WD45,WD,CA,2-UCont.,5015FWA,917,B110,Gleaner F |
Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 7:38pm
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I think you'll find Jim to be a very honest guy, I've done business with him several times both from his site and in person at shows. The price was OK to you when you bought it, the issue seems to be that you found it cheaper later. I think that would fall into poor shopping on your part, not Jim/OK tractors fault. I do however think I would have brought this to Jim's attention offline before starting something here. I know he's home with a new little one, but I'm sure he'll weight in soon ------------- Allis Express North Georgia 41 WC,48 UC Cane,7-G's, Ford 345C TLB |
Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 8:03pm
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I have bought from Jim and no problems with him or the prices I paid. I may have been able to get somewhere else, but I chose tp give him the business. Good luck ------------- '40 WC puller,'50 WD puller,'50 M puller '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |
Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 10:49pm
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Never been accused of ripping somone off before. Send it back and I'll refund your full purchase plus shipping. I agree, calling my toll free number, or email would have been a little nicer, but that's the way it goes. $28.50 by the time I can get it in my hands and I sold it for $39.99 then a few percent to paypal, and ebay fees. That's a 25% markup, not 100%. Lastly, I never pointed anyone here to my ebay listing. I would rather you buy them from my website where they have been $29.95 for over a year. I actually make more when you buy from my website. In fact, I've had a few call and say they wanted to buy it at the eBay price, and I sold it to them for the website price saving them $12.50 over ebay and shipping. JimD Pretty sure all my ads state it's a new book, and nothing about out of print. ------------- Owner of http://www.OKtractor.com" rel="nofollow - OKtractor.com PM for an instant response on parts. Open M-F 9-6 Central. We have new and used parts. 877-378-6543 |
Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2011 at 10:55pm
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Funny thing is I went to find the post you were referring to, and it was YOU that sent everyone to my ebay listing (which has our toll free number by the way). JimD ------------- Owner of http://www.OKtractor.com" rel="nofollow - OKtractor.com PM for an instant response on parts. Open M-F 9-6 Central. We have new and used parts. 877-378-6543 |
Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 5:16am
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I have bought many parts from Jim over the years. In my opinion, he is reliable and always has reasonable prices. Sometimes you may be able to buy cheaper elsewhere, but you should do your shopping before making a deal. PS: I always use he toll free number and talk to either him or his wife Christina and have never gotten a raw deal nor had any difficulties. ------------- When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!! |
Posted By: David Maddux
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 5:21am
| I was under the impresson that it did go out of print,and was not available for quite a while before Steiner came up with them. I think Steiner has been advertising them now for less than a year. And then Jim Danforth is as honest as the day is long. I would trust him through thick and thin. Dave. |
Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 6:51am
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Done business with Jim in the past....and like others I dont think I was ripped off.
BTW...go to the car dealer and buy a part for your truck or wife's car......mark-up STARTS at 100% ------------- Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity" 1968 D15D,1962 D19D Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 7:16am
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Not going to stand by and let you beat down Jim, I too have done business with him, and in the process of doing some more. Aint going to happen, he is a good honest man.
You said it yourself, you didn't do your research, stop beating down the guy you DECIDED to buy from.
Others know, I am not huge fans of some of the other vendors on here, but even though I don't care for thier prices, I think they are upstanding vendors, have always offered advise on this board even though I chose not to buy from them. But you have never seen me come on here and bash any of them as you have.
Deal with YOUR mistake. Nobody beat you into puchasing from him.
END OF DISCUSSION ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 7:54am
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From what I see:
Steiner $19.95 OK Site $29.95 OK ebay $37.99 Now what I do when I'm shopping is figure in shipping and taxes and any discount coupons if offered and usually order from the place with the best price. In this case it probably would be from Steiner. I know there are some on here that could not sleep at night knowing you did not support OK. In that case buy from OK and sleep tight. That Was Easy 
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Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 8:15am
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I'm not a picky person on that issue.
If I can read it it's fine with me. I'm not taking the book to a beauty show. It's kinda like buying a dog. Some are smart and some are dumb. I just want to pet it. Didn't buy it to do my taxes. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Dave Richards (WV)
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 8:20am
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Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 8:23am
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So what's your point???? ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 9:17am
So let me get this straight, you don't do your own shopping and you can't do a simple math problem and it is somebody else's fault? If Jim buys at the advertized price of $19.95 and then pays to have it shipped to his business, then adds $10 to ship it to you, he is getting nothing for the service of sending you the book you want for $39.95. But you paid the shipping from him so he might have made 20% of the original price. How do figure 100% mark up? I have never heard of any business keeping the doors open without a considerable mark up on prices. Many use 100% for starters . ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
wbecker wrote:Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 9:59am
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For the sake of pete.
To make it easy I'll round off the numbers. Base price 20.00 at one place. 19.99 Base price 40.00 at another place. 37.99 That's about 100% using the actual prices. He is not talking shipping and taxes. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: mdtractormechanic
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 10:04am
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What I see here is buyer's remorse. Bill, you failed to do your research and over payed. This isn't the fault of the seller and isn't a rip off. This was an advertised price that you agreed to pay. No strong arming involved. If you wanted to be helpfull it may have been better to just report a cheaper price and leave it at that. ------------- Joe's 1939 Model WC, 1940 Model RC, 1944 & 1950 Model C's, B-125 PU |
Posted By: Michael Crowe
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 10:23am
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Jim has my vote of confidence in this matter. You should have contacted him directly and settled it privately with him. ------------- The 14th Annual Exclusive AC Swap Meet will be held in Boonville, MO, March 7-8, 2025. See the club website for details: http://www.moacclub.com/ |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 10:26am
Well if he did that we wouldn't have anything to talk about today except the difference between a WD and a WD45 and that's getting real boring. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: wbecker
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 10:45am
Sorry Jim ------------- Allis B, IB, Low B, G, D10, JD M, 8KCAB, C152 |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 10:51am
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OK wbecker, That's the spirit.
I have to say it all the time. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 10:54am
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Now once Jim accepts your apology I guess were back to the WD verses the WD45 again.
Well it's been fun while it lasted. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 10:57am
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So, What oil should I use in my WD engine???
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Posted By: JimD
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 11:02am
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Just got back from Dr's visit with new baby. Bill, appology accepted, and we can consider this matter closed unless you still want to send the book back. JimD Jeff... Non detergent :) Use a voltmeter, not an ammeter and 12 volt with electronic ignition. Oh, and I know where G #1 is..... That'll give you something to talk about ------------- Owner of http://www.OKtractor.com" rel="nofollow - OKtractor.com PM for an instant response on parts. Open M-F 9-6 Central. We have new and used parts. 877-378-6543 |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 11:16am
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Oh Man now you went and did it.
Don't you remember the mess with the ammeter verses volt meter posts. God help us now. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 11:17am
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PS: Don't forget the motor oil posts either.
They were a blast. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 11:22am
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Now on a rebuilt engine that is free of sludge wouldn't you think a detergent oil would be better to keep the engine clean.
You don't have to answer. LOL ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 11:32am
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And we can't forget the benefits of racing oil over on road auto oil with these tractor engines. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Breeze
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 11:48am
| didnt even spark much. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 12:00pm
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Breeze, When you say much???? ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 12:16pm
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Ammeter give more useful information than a voltmeter.A voltmeter is easier to install but can give misleading information depending on where its connected. Either gives more diagnostic information than a generator light. The best charging voltage is a function of the battery temperature and the difference between good charging and poor charging is small, smaller than the pointer width of some analogue voltmeters or the accuracy of low cost digital voltmeters. None detergent oil is abuse of an engine, no matter when it was made. Other additives with the detergent also slow down bearing corrosion. Car engines in the non detergent era lasted about 30,000 miles between major overhauls needing cylinders bored, rings, and crankshaft bearings. With modern detergent oils and engine designs, car engine wear is rarely a problem. Detergent oils can make the sludge build up characteristic of non detergent oils move to places you don't want it. But detergent oils will keep an engine clean once it is clean. Gerald J. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 12:24pm
Ok for Pete's sake you didn't ever have to run a business either. Here is the math test for ya Jeff. If MR. D pays 20 dollars for his inventory stock and pays 10 dollars to have it shipped to his warehouse, what is his profit percentage if he sells the product for 40 dollars? I'll help you out here, Mr D's sale price is what percentage of his cost. The answer is not 100%. ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: Jeff B
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 12:44pm
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I can sell you this book for $20.00 plus shipping. how many do you want?
Jeff
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Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 12:51pm
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We're not talking profit % just base cost.
One is 100% more than the other. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 12:59pm
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It is 100% more to the customer.
I don't care what their profit percentage is. I don't care what their shipping cost are. If one sells for 20.00 and one sells for 40.00 the one selling for 40.00 is marked up 100% over the 20.00 one. That's the bottom line to the customer. COST!!! ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: mdtractormechanic
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 1:03pm
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Just happened on the listing. I wonder who will bite?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Allis-Chalmers-Farm-Tractors-and-Crawlers-Terry-D-/170460533871?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item27b03d546f - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Allis-Chalmers-Farm-Tractors-and-Crawlers-Terry-D-/170460533871?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item27b03d546f ------------- Joe's 1939 Model WC, 1940 Model RC, 1944 & 1950 Model C's, B-125 PU |
Posted By: Breeze
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 1:07pm
| Jeff I was talking in terms of expecting the post to generate more sparks. |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 2:08pm
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There used to be a good market for Neil Yerigan's magneto book when it was out of print and hard to find. Once it got reprinted, the bottom fell out of that market too. ------------- Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. From listening comes wisdom and from speaking comes repentance. Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise. |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 6:27pm
| wow, doesnt Valium come in Persian Orange 2 color? Try it you'll like it... |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 6:55pm
| I belive if a retailers cost is $10 dollars and they sell the item for $20 that is referred to as a 50% mark up. |
Posted By: NickT(Ky)
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 7:40pm
| I don't know whether to laugh or cry!!! |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 9:06pm
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Laugh, Then cry for laughing.
This is so much fun I can't take it. I think I'll go cry and then laugh. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 9:07pm
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And then cry for laughing. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 9:12pm
Were you chasing the girls instead of going to math class??? ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: RichinWis
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2011 at 10:02pm
| Come on you guy's, why do you think people list items on Ebay? I'm sure it's not to give everyone a fair chance! It's so that they can hopefully get as much for it as possible. No one has ever come up to me and said you paid me too much, I will give you some back. Walmart sells identical items for different prices in different areas depending on competition in the area. That particular book you are talking about, has been all over the place on price through the years. I bought my copy many years ago for 12.95 and so should it still be 12.95 at todays prices? I think it would be wise to not destroy the few merchants that we have that sell us parts for old Allis Chalmers tractors. They quit making them in 1985 and you can still get important parts for them, because of people that choose to be a help and sell parts. |
Posted By: David Maddux
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2011 at 6:33am
| Check out e-bay item no. 170734277515. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2011 at 7:36am
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Fool born evey day. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Don(MO)
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2011 at 7:56am
I will take one or two for that price!!!!! lmao
Don ------------- 3 WD45's with power steering,G,D15 fork lift,D19, W-Speed Patrol, "A" Gleaner with a 330 corn head,"66" combine,roto-baler, and lots of Snap Coupler implements to make them work for their keep. |
Posted By: mdtractormechanic
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2011 at 10:16am
------------- Joe's 1939 Model WC, 1940 Model RC, 1944 & 1950 Model C's, B-125 PU |