If Massey Ferguson is so big....
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Topic: If Massey Ferguson is so big....
Posted By: Rfdeere
Subject: If Massey Ferguson is so big....
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 12:15pm
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I keep hearing how Massey Ferguson is the biggest selling tractor brand (Which is another qustion, where can I find an accurate list to determine that ?) and so popular. If this is true, where is the MF equivalant of this forum ? I mean if they are so popular, you would think there would be a really popular forum like we have or the IH guy's Red Power Forum ? ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
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Posted By: M Diesel
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 12:25pm
| I think the audience for those tractors is not the same as US or others. It's like asking about who makes the most motorcycles and the answer is Asia with machines that are never exported. At one time I think the most popular motorcycle in the world might have been a Yamaha 200 2-stroke street bike. You would see as many as 30 at any given stop light in Singapore or Malaysia. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 1:22pm
| I have seen maybe two MF around here if that tells you anything. |
Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 1:57pm
| I can think of one MF tractor near me and it's setting in weeds with the motor locked up. But we do have an old #9 massey baler that we use if that counts. They sure weren't popular here. I have heard they have been top selling tractor in the world since the 60's. |
Posted By: sks72107
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 2:32pm
| Kgood someone near me has a massey 1155 that they do some farming with. Its got a straight pipe on it, and a diesel V8 nestled in it, non turbod though. Its kinda neat lookin and different. I wouldnt mind having a old v8 massey to play with/fix up. |
Posted By: jhid
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 2:42pm
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go to europe, they're huge over there ------------- red and green are nice for christmas, but orange is all year round http://www.canadianantiquetractor.com/tractorforum/ |
Posted By: StewartMD
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 3:16pm
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I agree with jhid, Massey is very poplar oversees. They have a huge marketshare there. I'm no expert but that's what I've heard. ------------- 8030, 8010, 220, 185, 160, D-17, WD, Unstyled WC, CA, G, 20-35, Gleaner E |
Posted By: RickUP
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 6:51pm
| Massey utiity tractors, TO-30 and 35, the 50 and 65 are popular around here. People here are ok with Massey. I have been told Allis dealers were in short supply around here back then, so we don't have a large allis crowd. I never looked for a Massey forum. |
Posted By: Dipstick In
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 6:56pm
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KGood and SKS, there was a strong dealer in Rensselaer from about 1960-85. Quite a few guys used them and had combines and tillage equipment also. There was one in Fowler too for about that same amount of time. My uncle bought a 21' disc from Fowler,I bought it from his estate and sold it in 1994 when I retired. Both of those dealers were good guys to work with and had a large following. They both sold about as much equipment in those two areas as AC did, which was about 40% combined, of the market. The balance was green and red. ------------- You don't really have to be smart if you know who is! |
Posted By: norm[ind]
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 7:07pm
| LOTS OF MASSEYS IN FLORIDA ALSO |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 7:47pm
| A lot of Massey dealers in Ontario have a lot of newer Deere and CaseIH/New Holland equipment on the lot. |
Posted By: tomNE
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 7:59pm
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we had a strong massey dealer in my hometown for yrs. he's gone now. tractors never caught on but every farm had a massey combine! ------------- AC from the start of my families farming career till the end! |
Posted By: NickT(Ky)
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 8:32pm
| Lots of massey,s around here. Good affordable H.P. for the small farmers in these Ky hills. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 9:24pm
| Sorry for people in them foreign country's, they don't know any better. MACK |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 10:08pm
| A more accurate statement would be MF sold more SMALL tractors world wide than any other brand. I believe if Fiat could count all the other brand names they've sold their tractors under, for example AC, Oliver, Hesston, etc, etc... they would give Massey a run for the money. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 10:10pm
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There have always been a few Masseys around here but not the most popular by any means. There was a pretty good dealer about 18 miles east of me, went under about 15 years ago. I had a Massey #10 baler and then a 124 which was a good machine, not as good as a Hesston but it baled a lot of hay. I remember seeing quite a few MF tractors in Greece when I was stationed there 40 some years ago.
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 10:16pm
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Dave, Fiat also had Siat in Spain, may have been a joint venture. They also made a little sports car, cheap but very basic, had a single leaf spring front suspension. Must have been fun to drive on a rough road and talk about cornering!
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: ACmowerguy
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2011 at 10:44pm
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Yes lots of small Masseys around here, I have had several MF garden tractors, There were a few strong dealers, and quite a few of their combines running around but they haven't had any strength in the AG market locally since the early 1980's and ever since Deere and CaseIH have dominated. Now you have to go 100 miles to find a Massey Dealer. I read somewhere that Mahindra now claiming to be #1 worldwide. ------------- 10 various B-series garden tractors, AC Homesteader8, 416 hydro,710 gt, 914, 916H, 917H, 920D, and many misc attachments |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 2:55am
| Massey is HUGE overseas...that's where they get their figures |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 8:01am
I've got a Ferg. She's purdy.
 ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: JoeB
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2011 at 8:49am
| Morning, tractorbynet.com has a massey forum, with a couple of REALY good people, David from Wales comes to mind, and a few others from down under. HTH, I've got AC's, but also a MF 165 that is a bear! |
Posted By: Adam in VA
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2011 at 10:56am
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I used to sell Messy Fergusons a few years ago.......and yes I do mean Messy. I would not personally own one of the tractors I used to sell. Messy Ferguson "claimed" the title of number one based on the fact that they believed that there were more MFs actually still being used in ag production currently worldwide than any other brand. That takes into consideration all these third world countries where for years the only tractor available was a MF 35, 50, 65, 135, 165, etc, etc.... Well 30 or 40 years later all these tractors are still being patched up and used to produce meager amounts of food and they call it ag production and thus MF says "Hey, we're number one." AGCO people told me face to face though that as far as "real" production and tractor numbers go John Deere and CaseNH (Ford, Case, IH, Farmall etc) both have more tractors out there actually doing work than MF.
As far as North American numbers go AGCO is barely a player in the compact market since they have less than 5% marketshare amongst all their brands. As far as utilities and larger tractors go I think AGCO holds about 10-15% marketshare, but that has been declining as well. As far as Mahindra's claim goes they claim to be number one because they are are the fastest growing tractor brand in the world's fastest growing country (India) so they make the claim number one. However, as far as actual production goes Mahindra is actually about number 7 or 8 as far as real tractor production. Across the board though really the only two major players anymore are John Deere and Kubota.
Almost 8 out of every 10 compacts sold are either a John Deere or Kubota. Almost 7 out of 10 utilitiy tractors sold are either John Deere or Kubota. These numbers are based off of UCC and warranty filing data taken over the past few years. I now sell John Deere tractors and equipment and I would have no problems buying a new John Deere. John Deere's tend to stay out in the field doing work, while most of the MFs I sold spent more time in the shop than on the farm. ------------- D21,D19,(2)D17,190XT,ED40, WD45,WC,B,25-40(Thresherman's Special),5030 plus buildings full of other stuff |
Posted By: ajl
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2011 at 11:20am
| Lots of new Massey around here (Southern AB) and a number of yellow challengers both track and wheel. You will see more 7400, 8400, 8600 MF than R series Deere mainly because Deere is higher priced. A number of potato farmers use the MF who are the largest buyers of new tractors in the area. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2011 at 4:04pm
| Next county to the south has three Massey dealers in it and another siting on the county line. Two of the dealers are holding on by less than a thread and the other in county one has been in that location less than a year but appears to have the potential to make some waves they have a few died hard green and red people looking at Massey's very hard. |
Posted By: DarrylinWA
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2011 at 4:35pm
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Massy here is western Wa. does not have a very good name. A big dealer right across the line in Abbortsford BC (Avenue Farm Equipment) sold alot in the late 70's and early 80's up there and only a handfull down here. Just do not have a good rep. around here and you almost cant give a used one away at a auction or for sale along the road. ------------- B 10 Custom. Serial # 1001 D21, First D21 built 69 #4498 and Last D 21 Built #4609. 1946 MM UTU. And 2000, 2005 Pete's. AC custom Hauling. |
Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2011 at 11:09pm
| A lot of those old Massey's were made by TAFE, out of India, for Massey so does that count? LOL |
Posted By: AllisChalmers37
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2011 at 8:45am
The Massey dealer where I live has more new TAFE and TYM tractors on the lot than they do MF's. ------------- 1937 WC, 1950 CA, 1959 D14, 1967 190XT, 2006 Ram 3500 |
Byron WC in SW Wi wrote:Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2011 at 8:22pm
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Adam in VA. Masseys are in the shop more then the field?! I know you compete against them selling Deere but that strains your credibility.
Just a hint, I myself never cared for salesmen that made outlandish claims. I figure if they BS me on one thing, they will on another. Might want to tone it down with your customers! You will succeed better for it!
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Posted By: ACmowerguy
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2011 at 9:54pm
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I had never even heard of TAFE before. They have a 50 year relationship with MF. http://www.tafe.com/ - http://www.tafe.com/
One of their new tractors still looks a lot like an old MF50. Very fascinating. ------------- 10 various B-series garden tractors, AC Homesteader8, 416 hydro,710 gt, 914, 916H, 917H, 920D, and many misc attachments |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2011 at 10:09pm
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Just got in from setting up the knives on my MF silage chopper...but I think it is made by Fox. We had one just like it when I was a kid, chopped a lot of corn. My dad had to take a 135 diesel that came as a package deal....turned out the tractor was the best part. I bought a 135 Continental for the school farm last spring...they don't have a place to store it so I keep it here and use it to keep it limbered up. I like the tranny and high speed reverse and use it alot to move pallets with a set of forks on it. Steering is a little wishy washy and it sucks gas, but it is a comfortable and easy tractor to operate. ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: m16ty
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2011 at 10:13pm
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Older Massey engines were great (Perkins). Their hyd system was awful (slow and weak). Their attempt at a powershift (multi-power) was bad but no worse than the early JD powershifts or the Ford select-o-speed. I do own a MF40 backhoe and it gets the job done. A little underpowered for it's size but the Perkins engine never misses a beat. The industrial hyd on the MF40 work great but they use the same old ag power steering pump (that's awful). All in all it's a pretty good hoe to use around the farm but I'd hate to try to make a living with it. I guess you could say that for any backhoe made in the mid '70s. |
Posted By: james6600
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2011 at 9:52am
| What really burns me is those TAFE Masseys on the TAFE web site have the old style front tires on them and here in the USA the tire company's put them in the same class as a model A or T tire and charge a small fortune for them. If Massey is selling so many tractors these tires are being produced in high numbers and overseas so shouldn't they be cheaper than a name brand American named tire. |
Posted By: Adam in VA
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2011 at 5:30pm
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Spud. What outlandish claims did I make? I can go down a long list of MF tractors that I sold that actually spent more hours accumulating time on a technicians time card than were accumulating hours on the tachomater while working. Sadly, that is literally the truth. I sold Massey's in good faith (and I still do, I just sold a low hour used MF 281 today), but at the end of the day they could be disappointing. I'm just glad that I got out of the MF dealership before it closed it's doors for good along with a lot of others in the Southeastern US. John Deere is not perfect either, no company is, but I feel blessed to be doing what I'm doing and fortunately I can have enough money from time to time to buy another old Persian Orange piece of machinery to mess around with. ------------- D21,D19,(2)D17,190XT,ED40, WD45,WC,B,25-40(Thresherman's Special),5030 plus buildings full of other stuff |
Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2011 at 8:25pm
| There was an MF dealer near where I went to high school. At that time I went there because they also sold Deutz and when Deutz bought AC I could get parts for them. Actually my tool box on my WC is from them and off an MF. Anyway, I asked them, at that time, about the Deutz and they said they don't break down and the engines last for a long time. I don't remember exactly but it was like after 1500 hours this MF needs work and that Deutz will go 10,000 hours and be OK. They always had MF's in the shop but you rarely saw a Deutz. |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2011 at 9:40pm
| The thing to remember is Massey Ferguson's North American tractors and combines from the 80's were pure junk. However todays AGCO tractors have nothing to do with Massey Ferguson other than the decal on the side. Todays AGCO are as good as anything out there regardless of the color. It's like building the best car in the word and deciding to name it a Yugo. Can you say "market resistance"? |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2011 at 9:46pm
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Our Massey 175 tractor and 300 combine were the backbone of our farm once we got "big"... Never had a complaint about either one, the 175 still mows the place. Great Perkins diesel. ------------- Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. From listening comes wisdom and from speaking comes repentance. Wise men learn more from fools than fools from the wise. |
Posted By: Terry GA
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2011 at 9:59pm
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I took the family to Panama City Beach this summer and noticed that all the state mowing tractors that i seen were Massey in FL. ------------- I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder. |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2011 at 10:12pm
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Allis Chalmers and Massey Ferguson are both dead and have been for years.
RIP All you are buying now is a decal. Get over it. ------------- I Love Meatballs and Dumplings on Toast with Gravy and Rosemary and ??? {Open For Suggestions} |
Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 5:31am
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Dave, I agree with your analogy. You can take a Fiat and put an Allis paint job on it and sell it value priced just fine. What AGCO is doing is taking an Allis, putting Fiat paint on it and pricing it like a Deere. Or using your analogy, taking a Chevy, putting Yugo logo on it and pricing it like a Cadillac. Or taking a Corvette, putting Camaro styling on it and pricing it like a Ferrari. LOL I always liked going the other way. Like taking an Dodge Omni, leave the styling alone, (except the little GLH on the side), but put a turbo and intercooler on it and a few other modification and surprise people that don't know. Or taking a Taurus and putting that high performance engine in it, (can't remember what they called that). I laugh at kids now days cause they take these little foreign cars and put big muffler son them, spinning wheels and lights under them and think their cool. I'd love to get an Omni GLH up next to them and blow their socks off. OK, I'm officially off topic. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 7:54am
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Dave in il, most of the agco tractors are coming out of the same old massey plant that agco bought when they bought massey and they are still junk.
When I still worked at the dealership, there was 2 new tractors that had more spent on warrenty than what they cost.
I never liked working on a Deutz, but when you sent a new one out, you would most likely never see it again but when massey came along you could be assured you would see it for warrenty. MACK
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Posted By: rafathegafa11
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 1:14pm
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Its all relative to where you are in the world, here in Northern Ireland MF is huge. Maybe unsurprising as this is Harry Ferguson Country. I was thinking about it, and on our road alone there is 13 MF tractors still working for their living, from a 60's 35 to a brand new machine. You would be amazed by the amount of Red machines that are still in Ireland and Britain. In the vintage tractor scene over here Fergusons and MF's would outnumber all others brands at rallys by maybe 5>1. For every Allis you get over here there would be 50 MF's. This is one of the reasons we collect and love AC machines. their RARITY! lol My Family has always been with Massey and still would be if they where still built in Britain. But all Production has now moved to Beauvais in France and so the last new tractor bought was a McCormick. New Holland, John Deere, and now Class seem to the leading lights over here now. ------------- Rory Youtube channel - http://www.youtube.com/user/rafathegafa11?feature=mhee |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 2:12pm
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Byron, can you please explain how Agco is building Allis tractors and painting them Fiat colors?
Since 1985, there has not been an actual AC tractor. The only component that continued was that the 7110 and 7120 DA used the sliding hub of the AC tractor.
Please correct me if I am wrong but other then the hub, what AC component can you name on any tractor after that date?
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Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 2:17pm
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Adam. What models do you have issues with.
I am the first to agree that the 80's models were poor quality. I remember my brother in laws 255 just about losing a wheel as the bolts backed out on a new tractor.
Having said that, we run a 135 that is still running strong 40 years later.
Later tractors were great. The MF 390 is a great machine.
I do not find it believable that a typical MF sits in the shop more then it works. That is just too outlandish to believe.
Are you one of those that believe if you change the hood color to orange that magically all the mechanical components get more reliable?!
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Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 2:37pm
| I know I just got done welding a steering part that clamps around the spined shaft and the other end has the steering cyl. on it. It is a 165MF on a horsefarm I can't believe that is all it has there for steering. Almost like it is an afterthought. Another flop is the hyd. on some of the bigger ones. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 2:38pm
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I've read that there is supposed to be a fair amount of Oliver/White design in the powertrain on the new Agco tractors. I have no idea if there is any truth to that though.
Byron, I agree with you. I've seen some of these kids claiming 700-1000hp at the wheels with some of these little 4cyl cars on youtube etc. All I can say is show me. Someone also forgot to tell them that performance mufflers sound like crap on 4 and 6 cyl engines. I had a lot of fun with a 71 Maverick that had a 351W/Toploader 4sp in it years ago... ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: ncrc5315
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 7:37pm
Posted By: NickT(Ky)
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 7:55pm
| I've been watching this post for a while. I have to finally speak up. We have had massey and allis on our farm since before I was born('59). Our main work horses have been massey's. We have never had any major problem on any of them. I have two of each now and the newest one is a 5455 4x4 massey with Dynashift. I enjoy running this tractor. My brother has mostly jds 100+hp, one brand new , and one 6080 allis. I like using the massey as much as any of the jds. Nick |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2011 at 9:44pm
| The 9100 and 9600 Agco series used White rearend. They were good dependible tractors, but after that it was the end of the white power train. MACK |
Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 2:33pm
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Spud, It was an analogy. I'm sorry I should have been more clear for the kool aid addicts. |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 7:56pm
| So because I don't spew hatred of Agco and Massey and swear eternal damnation on them, I am a Kool Aid Addict?! |
Posted By: ACFarmer
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 8:25pm
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Some people on here got really butthurt about them dropping the orange paint..... Dont worry about it. Alot of them also more than likely werent major buyers of new tractors either.... ------------- Making a living farming with and working on Allis Equipment |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 8:29pm
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It's just like this.
Some of us have been on several diffferent Massives, and never had any luck/service out of them whatsoever. Some of us have Massives, and have had good service out of them.
Some of us love Fords.
Some of us love Chevys.
Some of us love Toyotas.
I personally don't like the older Massey Fergusons, or the little Fords either(2n, 9n,8n, etc) up until the thousand series came out.
Just my opinion. To each there own.
One of my favorites would be a Ford 3910, just before the NH buyout.
JD 2030 is not a bad unit either, though the 2040 that my dad has is a dog. Chronic tranny/rearend problems.
One thing we all have in common is that we all like AC machines. Who knows where they would be if they hadn't gone under. They might be great, or they might be making a cheap POS. I'd like to think not, but who knows.
I have no experience with the new Massives, they might be very good quality machines. I won't pass judgement on that without firsthand knowledge.
I just know the older ones I ran did not impress me with their power, comfort, or reliability. ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2011 at 11:29pm
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Yes Spud you are and I know because I was one once too. There are lots of addicts in farming that only buy something because of its color or name and most of them are Deere buyers. I was once an AGCO addict and woke up after someone high up in the company lied to me. I've never said anything bad about the new AGCO tractors but their upper management is absolutely awful. Many farmers, employees and dealers think AGCO's management is terrible too. If I slam MF because I think upper management was idiotic to go to them instead of AGCO/Allis in NA and any excuse I've heard from them doesn't hold water. Their hypocritical and have some hidden European/Wall Street agenda. After all I invested in them monetarily and emotionally it hurt to be lied to. AC Farmer I think most people ticked at AGCO are the ones that have bought their equipment. I've owned/own compact, mid sized and large AGCO tractors. I have several AGCO implements and many Allis pieces too. For the record the new MF/AGCO tractors are very good machines. The SISU powerplant is very nice and the transmissions are first rate. The cabs aren't the best but their OK. My only complaint is around here dealers are far and few and their priced comparible to Deers'. You can get a similar New Holland with a decent engine, decent transmission and nicer cab for 15-30% less. My other issue is that I don't think AGCO is going to survive with it's current upper management so who is going to supply parts for a mostly European tractor down the road? |
Posted By: HD6 Merv
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 12:00am
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Just adding a view from the bottom of the world.
Massey Furguson have and still sell alot of tractors down under. Alot of it has to do with alot of the english products were sold to commonwealth countrys, NZ Australia Canada etc. Although alot of Cyrus Hs gear made it here too and was well respected. IH.
But as another man said; and i agree with hi; John Deere and Kubota are probably the 2 best tractors to buy, and are good value for money.
Although most of the JDs that come here come from europe not the US.
FWIW the first tractor to make it to the south pole was a Fergy TEA 20 fitted with half tracks ! And many of them still putter around on farms worldwide today ! ------------- tits tyres and tracks they all cost you money |
Posted By: Adam in VA
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 8:42pm
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Spud. I sold Massey tractors for about three years and I had a ton of problems with the Massey 400 and 500 series utility tractors, the 1400 and 1500 series compacts, the 3600 series "high end" utilities, as well as a lot of problems with the 5400, 6400 series tractors that I sold. I think every one of the 400 and 500 series tractors I ever sold ended up coming back to the shop or needing a big field service call within the first 10 to 20 hours of run time. These tractors were built for AGCO by firms of Brazil, Turkey, and some by TAFE out of India. They especially had a ton of problems with the neutral start switches, PTO safety switches, and stuff like that. The 1400 and 1500 series compacts were built by Iseki out of Japan and we had several of these that needed to be disassembled and reassembled several times before they were even sold to have major frame and rear end components completely swapped out for recall purposes and then when these tractors finally made it out of the dealership they were heavily plagued by hydraulic problems. The 3600 series tractors are built for AGCO in Europe and they all ended up coming back into the dealership to basically be completely torn down, worked on for recall and warranty purposes, and then put back together only to come back in in the next 10 to 15 hours to be torn down again due to transmission, hydraulic, and rear end problems. The 5400 and 6400 series tractors had severe problems with electronics and hydraulics that translated to a lot of functional problems with the transmissions, SCVs, PTO, and 3 point functions. Of all the 5400 series tractors that I sold I think all of them were traded in on John Deere 5025 series and 6000 series tractors before they reached 1000 hours. I will not even talk about the MF 2600 (built in India with knock off Perkins engines, called "Simpson") series since the quality was obviously so bad on them that I vowed never to sell them from the first time one of them got delivered to the dealership. I've been selling John Deere now for over three years and I've never had a major problem with one like I did for dozens of Masseys that I sold. Color doesn't matter since I know a lot of the orange ACGO and yellow Challenger tractors that corresponded with the Massey models also have had a lot of problems. In my opinion Massey is just a name anymore..... The company has gone bankrupt on a few occassions and the name has been bought and sold, bought and sold a few times by holding companies. There really has not been a true original Massey Ferguson design since probably the 1970's. Some of the tractors that had the MF name like the 390 and a few others were great tractors. but that quality is not there anymore. |