Small combine rumor-Kubota
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Topic: Small combine rumor-Kubota
Posted By: den/southern illinoi
Subject: Small combine rumor-Kubota
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 6:49pm
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Not sure where to post this item. Is not AC but is farm equipment. Anyway, our local Kubota dealer who is in the early morning coffee group (5 am) says that supposedly Kubota is going to come out in the US with a small combine that will sell for under one hundred thousand dollars. Not sure of the size...thought maybe a 15 ft grain head but then he also added a 6 row corn head. I did not think those two headers wold really go on the same machine as I thought that the corn head was maybe 2 rows too big. Anyway, he said that they are already being used overseas and that Kubota is building a new plant down south and along with other equipment, the combines would be made there. Anyway, that's the rumor. Den
------------- Own 4 wheel 20, 5020 and associated equipment and 1 electric forklift. Also a 720 garden tractor, 720 Diesel. 620 and soon a 616 garden tractor. |
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Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 6:57pm
| I wish them the best of luck, because the american farmer has been brainwashed into bigger is better more debt, more land bigger equipment more stress less margin is the way to go, so my guess is the market for this combine isnt going to be very well accepted. Around here a big farm is 3,000 acres it was not to many years ago that the guy like that had 2 L3's and got it all off now they have the largest Cat combine money can finance with a 16rn head, looks great to the rubes in town but his 500,000+ investment to do the same job his 2 L3;s were doing doesnt make sence to me. You dont even hardly see a 9500 JD around here anymore and were not in big grain country, even the 9500 all got replaced by huge machines doing the same job, its all about bragging right in todays ag sector, and a new Kubota 6rn machine no how good isnt going to get the right reaction at the coffe shop. |
Posted By: den/southern illinoi
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 7:02pm
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KC, I would tend to agree with you. Not that this changes anything that you said...I wanted to add one other thing the dealer said and that this combine is being aimed at the 3 to 5oo acre farmers. I would think that would really limit their clientele. Just another part of the rumor. Den
------------- Own 4 wheel 20, 5020 and associated equipment and 1 electric forklift. Also a 720 garden tractor, 720 Diesel. 620 and soon a 616 garden tractor. |
Posted By: Russ SCPA
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 7:29pm
| I don't think they can do it for the quoted price, as per machine capacity there were more than a few F3's in this area pushing 6-30's and a 15 foot flex |
Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 8:00pm
| Just to show you how bad that market is and how bad the mentality of todays ag sector is it was only 10yrs ago or so that you could still buy the smaller macines 9400 JD 1620-40 IH TR 86-7-8-9 gleaner R 50 etc but the market dried up so they quit building them now its all huge high tech bo ku buck machines |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 8:08pm
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the major mfg say it cost the same $ to build a small combine as the larger ones in their plants, so they quit offering them since so one was buying them being priced near larger ones. Kubota does have a niche market in smaller machinery. I think they can make it work. Just because the mfg dont make the small machines anymore doesn't really mean nobody wants to buy them.
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 8:45pm
| The question is, can a 500 acre farm pay for a new $100,000 combine? It depends if you have a family to feed or if you have another source of income so the farm income is just for the farm? LOL |
Posted By: ranger42
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 9:36pm
| If they can afford a $45,000.00 pickup they should be able to handle the 100k fior the combine...just my 2 cents |
Posted By: Eric[IL]
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 10:15pm
| A small rotary combine would be nice... I have often thought about taking one of the rotors from a NewHolland twin and putting it into a gleaner F2 or M2 in a length wise direction. I know - grain tank would not big enough for new capacity. |
Posted By: jhid
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 10:24pm
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Im not sure but I could have sworn I saw a small Massey combine going past me on my way to work, it didn't look like a swather and I think it had xp8 as a model on the side. But I might be seeing things as it was a hot day and I was biking ------------- red and green are nice for christmas, but orange is all year round http://www.canadianantiquetractor.com/tractorforum/ |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 10:35pm
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I'll stick to my F2. It may be old, but ran like a swiss watch in the soybeans today.
------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: Auntwayne
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 10:39pm
| 15' is not a "SMALL" grain head. The type of audience that needs to be tended to would probably want 5 footers,maybe 6, even that seems large . |
Posted By: wjohn
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 11:26pm
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Deere recently gave my school a prototype STS combine of some sort... with a 35 foot grain head. The farm foreman said they can't even use it because our plots are 20 feet wide. ------------- 1939 B, 1940 B, 1941 WC, 1951 WD, 1952 CA, 1956 WD-45 |
Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 11:32pm
| A quick google search shows kubota is already making rice harvestors and small "test plot" combines. If they're anything like their tractors, i think i'll just stick with my 6620 deere |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2011 at 11:37pm
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Thanks for the info, or rumor at least. Hadn't heard anything about it. I do think there is a market for smaller machines. When the manufacturers quit building the smaller "big" combines, there were still plenty of used, smaller rigs around. Ten years later, a lot of those smaller older ones are worn out or just sent to China because the scrap price is so high. The only segment of the ag industry that is growing is small farms and most of those operators have an off farm job. With crop prices so high, I think a lot of smaller operators will seriously look at a 12 or 15 foot combine. With the way the dollar is these days, machines can be built here in the US and shipped all over the world to other areas where smaller machinery is in demand. Being Kubota, I wonder if it will be orange? Or maybe galvanized steel??? Hum, a few of the right decals and AC is back in the combine business LOL.
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Don M SEIA
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 1:38am
| That MF 8XP is a Test Plot combine. |
Posted By: Longmeadow Farm
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 4:28pm
| Around here, in the north east, we are experiencing a growth in the number of farmers, albeit small and many moving toward organic, who are committed to move from commodity farming to direct sales and often are banding together to manage/control the processing and distribution of food. A small combine would be a good addition to the North American Kubota product line here in the North East, where the rainfall and good soil contribute to some excellent results. In fact I would like to see Kubota market other machines such as small forage harvesters and speciality tillage equipment for sustainable and organic farmers. I have been evaluating the Kubota "M" series of tractors and have done some extensive comparisons with Deere, Massey and New Holland. Kubota has had a small tractor tier 3 & 4 compliant engine for 2011, well ahead of Deere. The fit and finish of the "M" series cabs are significantly better than Deere, Massey and New Holland... when one compares dollar for dollar. Deere's ergonomics are rather primitive while Kubota's are excellent. Granted the "big three" have "economy" tractors that are directed at the Kubota market, but when you finish peeling the onion, you discover that Kubota is still the better engineered/manufactured product. The only reason I stick with Deere is for the service as my AGCO dealer, who also sells Kubota, is just this side of useless. If Kubota would concentrate on establishing a credible dealer network they would be a formidable competitor... and as soon as they have a reputable dealer within a reasonable distance I'll buy an "M100" series tractor... |
Posted By: AC WD45
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2011 at 4:57pm
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http://www.kubota.co.in/products/combine/index.html - http://www.kubota.co.in/products/combine/index.html
------------- German Shepherd dad 1957 Allis Chalmers WD45 #WD234847 1951 Allis Chalmers WD #WD88193 |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 12:56am
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With that fan right behind your head, one wouldn't want to have long hair! I imagine that one is a rice combine, with the tracks and all. I suspect something for the NA market would looke more conventional, but who knows. I've had good luck with my M110 so far, 8 years old with 1500 hr. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: MI8050
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2011 at 7:34am
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Longmeadow Farm wrote:Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 8:35pm
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If they can do it for under $100,000, made in America and have good features and performance similar to an F2, and the heads aren't crazy expensive, I'd get one in a heart beat. I like my F2 and it doesn't take much maintenance or money to fix up but something safer with a better head and nicer cab would be nice. Right now I wear a full fledged dust mask while doing beans or I'd have constant hay fever. My AC doesn't work and so I get covered with sweaty, dust and it wears you out. Now I'm not a very big farmer but a nice relatively inexpensive combine is reallying appealing especially this time of year. |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 8:51pm
| What could $100,000 buy used with a 6 row 30 corn head and a 15' or 20' platform included? |
Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 9:55pm
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Dave, Most newer combines are all rotary. From my understanding you have to keep those buggers pretty full for them to work right and efficient. While that may be possible some of the time, on my fields, a lot of the time it isn't. This is due party to yield but also to the small size of my fields. Anything larger than an F2 is really getting too big. So, yes you can buy a pretty nice used combine for $100,000 but I doubt it would work very good for me and would suck a lot of fuel as most are over 200 hp now. So, my .02 is to keep the combine conventional. |
Posted By: Kcgrain
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2011 at 9:13am
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Byron, thats a a bunch of BS someone is feeding you about the rotor, we switched from conventionals ( had 6 in total) to our first twin rotor in 1995 it does an excellent job no matter, on the down side if your a dairy farmer and your combining oats or barley, and you want straw, what comes out of the rotor is almost non existant, wheat is fine but chopped up. The F2-3 was an excellent machine, if you could find yourself a TR76 or 86 there not alot bigger size wise specailly if they have the 28L tire on and they have alot more creature comfort than the F2, just my opinion. ALso there use to be alot of 1620 -40 around they were ok if you like red. I think what someone was refering to on the rotors might have been the gleaner, and it didnt need to be full either , but the gleaner use to leave grain underneath the accelerator rolls to cushion the grain coming from the rolls, and when you turned on the head lands and the machine ran empty the blast of air was greater than the small amount of grain so it would throw a small amount out on the head lands, when I sold them the competion (ie deere and IH ) would always point that out, but in field passes weighed with a weigh wagon the gleaner always had the higher yield. I am not sure if that still applies on the newer Gleaners or not. |
Posted By: TREVMAN
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2011 at 10:04am
| Kubota is a full line ag manufactering concern in Japan for the south aisan market. Quality, fit, finish and durability is unmatched. The tractors they sell in N.A. are excellent. The people at Kubota are not stupid, I'm sure if they decide to market it N.A. they will add a cab, and wheel drive. Will make a nice little machine, Trev. |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2011 at 2:23pm
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Before you bought a Kubota, I would compare the weight of it to a comparable horsepower other brand. Kubota's tend to weigh a lot less then competitors. In my mind, more metal and heavier built means more durable.
Massey tends to be the heaviest built. If you have too much of a hate-on for Massey then compare them to McCormick, Deere, or Case/New Holland.
Having said that, I have run a lot of generators and light towers with Kubota motors and found them to be very durable in this application.
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Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2011 at 8:34pm
Spud, thats an interesting theory, but Allis Chalmers tractors were always lighter than comparable horsepower IH and John Deeres but were every bit as durable. The Allis was usually cheaper as are the Kubotas, the ACs were an all around better value, are you sure the Kubotas aren't? I don't like the MFing name they put om them but yes the ALLIS GLEANER COMPANY does make very good tractors. LOL! IMO compare features, warranties and dealers not how much it weighs.
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Posted By: powertech84
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2011 at 8:52pm
Technically speaking, even a conventional combine works best at full capacity.
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Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 1:53pm
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I went to the local Kubota dealer yesterday and he confirmed they are building a small combine capable of a 6-row head. He said it'll be 4wd and the combine, (without heads), should be around $50,000. I asked if they knew if it was rotary or conventional and he asked the Kubota guy on the phone during the conversation but I forgot to ask him again. He said they'll be taking pre orders on it at next years convention which should be around a year from now. Anyway, I'm pretty excited about it. |
Posted By: TexasAllis
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 4:07pm
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