If not Allis then what?
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Topic: If not Allis then what?
Posted By: Josh Day
Subject: If not Allis then what?
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:13pm
| Just wondering, what make of tractor would be your next pick after an Allis? And yes I'm bored:) Josh |
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Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:21pm
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HEHEHEHE DEERE ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: orange knight
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:21pm
| Not going green. be kabota and new hallond |
Posted By: acd21man
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:22pm
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come on be american ------------- 2 wd 45,2 D-17 diesel/gas 3 pt, 220,d21, 4020,2 4430s used daily http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCudh8Xz9_rZHhUC3YNozupw |
Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:25pm
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New Holland or Case IH ------------- 8070FWA,7080 BlackBelly, 7045,2 200s,D19,D17,G, WD,45,UC,7 AC mowers and lots more! "IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!" |
Posted By: orange knight
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:28pm
| Well at least its orange |
Posted By: R.W
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:28pm
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Would have to be Farmall/IH . ------------- In Search Of: 1958 Allis Chalmers D17 Diesel serial #9643D |
Posted By: jhid
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:29pm
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Farmall or New Holland ------------- red and green are nice for christmas, but orange is all year round http://www.canadianantiquetractor.com/tractorforum/ |
Posted By: DaveCinIN
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:51pm
| Case and/or IH. Or any other American made tractor. |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:53pm
| Not much to pick from. Allis-Chalmers and John Deere are the only brands of tractors that exist.(In my eyes anyway, lol). |
Posted By: redline
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 9:55pm
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The New Hollands are uglier than a mud fence, but I would have to lean that way or toward a Buhler Versatile. I could continue my relationship with my current dealer. ------------- If it weren't for the last minute, I wouldn't get anything done! |
Posted By: Burns-Tractor-Sales
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 10:17pm
| I would half to say Kubota :) |
Posted By: Blake_AllisMan
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 10:18pm
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I would say proabably an oliver. We live about 10 minutes away from where they made alot of the old olivers so i find them to be a really neat tractor. ------------- 1941 C 1952 IB 1947 C 1955 WD45 SFW 1956 WD45 Diesel 1977 5020 4WD Serial Number 1 |
Posted By: stray
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 10:24pm
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For me I would say the old (mid 60's to mid 70's) large Fords 8000, 8600, 9600. If it was older than that would be the Olivers ------------- 1969 190XT series 3 |
Posted By: ky wonder
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 10:37pm
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it would depend on the tractor more than the brand, i like some of them all ------------- i like old tractors of all colors |
Posted By: q4016lanz
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 10:37pm
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My second choice in usa built tractors 2cyl J.d. a geman built lanz bulldog and in australia the aussie built chamberlan ------------- 15 allis chalmers tractors 9 lanz bulldog tractors 2 water cooled deutz 9 john deeres tractors 14 Aus made orange chamberlains I spent most of my money on old tractors I wasted the rest |
Posted By: Byron WC in SW Wi
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 10:39pm
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New Holland is the best bang for your buck at least in the 90+ hp range and will soon be in the 70+ range when they come out with their new model. Best farm equipment line of the old days, IMO, was Oliver/White with Allis right up there. |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 10:39pm
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Oliver or White. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 10:55pm
| It'll be used, I'll replace the 8070 with either an orange AGCO or a CaseIH. Good AGCO dealer that most of our AC's came from over the years and a good CaseIH dealer about a mile away. |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2011 at 10:56pm
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Ford which is today's Versatile ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Josh Day
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 6:06am
| I forgot to put,mine would be IH and case , and JD third |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 6:19am
Is there any other?
 I don't see any other in the near future!
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Posted By: 2wise4agm
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 6:27am
| IH |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 6:32am
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For me it would be FarmAll or the other Green. Oliver. I like those rowcrop 77 & 88's....
mailto:Steve@B&B - Steve@B&B
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Posted By: bigallis1
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 6:36am
| A Massey-Ferguson 35 Diesel! |
Posted By: TexasAllis
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 6:54am
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orange knight wrote:Posted By: Calvin Schmidt
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 6:55am
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I've also had Green ones for 30 years. Half of any machine be it tractor, vehicles , or construction equipment is your dealer and support. ------------- Nothing is impossible if it is properly financed |
Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 7:05am
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Minnie Mo, then Farmall ------------- When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!! |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 7:07am
| John Deere |
Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 7:12am
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Ferguson ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: KGood
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 7:31am
| CNH |
Posted By: Dutchboy Johan
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 8:06am
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Sorry for you guy's but for me, this one will be a good contender.
Red IH power from Neuss Germany.
[TUBE]u3FDEbTN9_A&feature=related[/TUBE] ------------- ---> Better by Design <--- Johan Straver, Almkerk/ Netherlands Allis-Chalmers 190XT Ser.III #26829XTD |
Posted By: arrowcreekfarms
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 8:31am
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Ford 8000, 8600, 9000 or 9600. White 2-85 or 2-125, Oliver 1850 or 1950. I guess if I was mowing grass a Kubota would be allright :) ------------- 1972 200 diesel, 1966 190 Gas, 1962 D-15 Gas w/ #15 loader, SC 3-16" Plow, SC 8ft disc, SC 2 Row Cultivators, 500 Series 4 row Planter |
Posted By: Ben (MI)
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 9:09am
| Oliver 1855 or 1955 for sure for antiques but to make money with I'll have to go with JD or Case-IH |
Posted By: clint
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 10:25am
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a cat i hope- deere after that ------------- Our farms stuff: agco gt55, AA 8775, 8765, 6080, 185, 180, 175, 170, d15, d14, d14, wd, wd, wd, g, F3, L3, R62 |
Posted By: nsula_country
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 10:47am
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I like Farmall's and IH's. If new Kubota, Mahindra, or New Holland. Green is too expensive for what it is! I bought the Allis Chalmers because it was cheap HP (at least in the deep south). They are just not popular down here and no parts service. I order all AC parts mail order. I can get parts for the others listed above from several dealers locally. CT ------------- 2014 LS P7010C, 1962 Farmall 504 Diesel (1st tractor) w/ 2008 Koyker 220 FEL, 1968 Allis Chalmers 180 Diesel, Komatsu PC38UU-2 Excavator, Various attachments for all! |
Posted By: Longmeadow Farm
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 10:47am
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Deere, based on the exceptionalism of the local JD dealer's service. However, I've concluded that Kubota M series is perhaps the superior engineered machine and they would work well in our small farming environment..300 acres of grassland farming. |
Posted By: wood
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 2:02pm
| I just traded my john deere 950 for a ford 4000, and I like it. So I would be going with ford all the way if I was to sale all of my AC. |
Posted By: LionelinKY
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 2:17pm
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Longmeadow Farm, Is K.C.Canary still in business or does it go by a different name now. I assume that is the JD dealer you are referring to correct?I was born and raised up near Fonda, actually on the Montgomery/Schoharie county line(Sharon Springs address).We did business with K.C Canary when we farmed and yes they had wonderful service. Now, to answer the question, OLIVER. We had 2 770s and a 1750 alongside the ACs and they complimented each other nicely I thought. Funny to me how all are under AGCO now because I always thought that putting the 1750 rear/trans with its 18/6 speeds behind an AC engine like in our 190XT would be a darn near bulletproof setup. Also,as far back as I can remember and even now,Dad's pet name for his 190XT has always been "The CAT" because she is so mean,heavy and darn near unstoppable. ------------- "My name is Lionel and I'm an Allisoholic" |
Posted By: Doyle B(NY)
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 5:27pm
| Would have to be older fords 5000 7000 or 8000 also i really like the mid 60s and late 70s John Deere. |
Posted By: Longmeadow Farm
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 6:06pm
| Yes LionelinKY, KC Canary is the dealer I'm referring to, but doing business as Hudson River Tractor with five store locations. KC Canary bought out a number of smaller dealers in the Albany area and open a dealership in Goshen down near Westerchester County/NYC area, and renamed the business. They are as good as they ever were and in some respects better. I switched to Deere a number of years ago when local AC repair became a problem. The local AGCO dealer is just this side of useless. |
Posted By: AllisFreak MN
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 6:15pm
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John Deere. They have the best dealer network. ------------- '49 A-C WD, '51 A-C WD, '63 A-C D17 Series III, 1968 A-C One-Seventy, '82 A-C 6060, '75 A-C 7040, A-C #3 sickle mower, 2 A-C 701 wagons, '78 Gleaner M2 |
Posted By: Brian S(NY)
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 6:45pm
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NH or John deere ------------- God made man.Sam colt made man equal. |
Posted By: Ryan Renko
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2011 at 7:16pm
| SUICIDE!!! |
Posted By: Matt (NEIA)
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 4:17am
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Farmall, Oliver/White, John Deere ------------- 1955 WD-45 with factory PS |
Posted By: Eric[IL]
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 8:09am
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A good fuel efficient brand supported by a good local dealership. John Deere, Cat, CaseIH, & New Holland are still in business in the U.S.A. |
Posted By: Brian F(IL)
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 10:31am
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Old Tractors: JD720 diesel or IH 1066
New Tractors: JD
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Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 11:10am
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Old-Oliver
New-JD ------------- '40 WC puller, '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |
Posted By: Burns-Tractor-Sales
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 12:43pm
| If you buy a smaller John Deere it's not made in USA, it's made in Japan by Yanmar |
Posted By: bill2260
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 1:41pm
| Kubota, own a mx5000 withloader and just love it. Bill |
Posted By: LionelinKY
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 3:18pm
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Longmeadow Farm, OK, now what local AGCO dealer you referring to? The only one I know of is Sharon Springs Garage. They definitely fit your description in my opinion. I've tried to get parts for some of Dad's old ACs when I visit on more than occasion and left empty handed. I have also had them order parts if they could get it in while I still there and wound up with the wrong thing. I have come to the realization that when I get serious about restoring the old girls I'll be doing alot of the work myself with parts from mail order through other vendors. ------------- "My name is Lionel and I'm an Allisoholic" |
Posted By: caRon
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 5:08pm
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Well Josh, I would have to say Oliver, MM, Farmall. Brand new I'd go John Deere, But I would have to have 1 of everything AC ever built before I would consider any other. ------------- CA Tractor |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 5:38pm
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ford ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 6:19pm
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Hate to consider it but the only close dealers are New Holland and Deere with Deere being the closest. ToBeMo's dealership is NH and does have a excellent service department so may end up there first!! Too bad most of the machines out there now are foreign made and just named for US makes. |
Posted By: Longmeadow Farm
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 6:22am
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Lionelin KY Have had the same experiences, may times. They have owed me a part under warranty for over a year. I have some of my heavier AC mechanical work performed by my JD dealer who uses Mabie Bros. Inc (east of Syracuse) for parts...tell you anything??? I also have begun using "retired" AC mechanics for expert guidance and some repair. I think the biggest insult/abuse of all was being charged 4300 bucks for repairs that were unnecessary..a few years back. You may logically ask, why not get rid of your ACs and switch?.. as they must now be getting old. I wouldn't part with my 175 loader/chore tractor, that still works most days of the year. My 6080 assists with the tillage work and is pressed into service during the haying/chopping season as necessary. I have owned other ACs over the years but they are gone now. I have been well served by the JD brand/service, but have reserved a special place in my heart for Allis Chalmers... maybe it's something from my youth. |
Posted By: Spud
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 4:35pm
| Massey Ferguson or Versatile |
Posted By: LionelinKY
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 4:58pm
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Longmeadow Farm, Oh, you don't have to explain it to me. Dad sold the farm 20 years ago but kept 10 AC tractors(all of them) at the time. Since then, he has sold off 5. Two more are currently for sale but the last 3 I hope are never sold as long as I'm alive. The WD,WD45, and 190XT were all bought by my grandfather. They are Dad's to do with as he pleases now, however, I have made it clearly known that I want them even if I have to get them shipped to KY from NY. My siblings all think I'm as nuts as Dad and sometimes I think even he agrees. They are indeed like old reliable friends. ------------- "My name is Lionel and I'm an Allisoholic" |
Posted By: beeman
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 8:57pm
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I don't make a living with my tractors. My 3930 Ford w/FEL does all the work around my place . Its simple ,cheap on fuel and easy to get on and off for an old man . But I love having my little B around. ------------- 1949 B 3930 Ford- Have owned other Orange ,green,red,yellow,dark green tractors and equipment. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 9:10pm
| curretly looking at 4x4 AC/oliver/white/belarus/ih/versitile/steiger. owned jd for 30 sum years, both tractors and combines....won't make that mistake again! the jd equipment was in someones shop every year for something....none of my AC's have been in any shop for over 20 years! a mechanic friend of mine says the belarus tractors never have to be plugged in to start in the winter, i guess that's why i see alot of them parked way out in the fields hooked to something when it's cold out! there are plenty of older/good tractors out there to get my stuff done...in my lifetime! i put the extra money in my pocket or on interest, that i save from buying new! and as most of you know....a diesel engine does not require a computer to make it run! the farm equipment companies have done this so self employed mechanics won't be able to take money away from dealers and manufacturers! |
Posted By: DREAM
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 9:18pm
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I noticed that the CIH tractors are now putting Farmall on them. Saw some compact models that had A emblems on them at a dealer yesterday. Ugly as heck IMHO, but that's all it is.
If I had to go to an older unit, it would be a mid-sized Ford, say a 3910. Had good luck with those, and parts still available.
If I went new, it would be JD green. Sorry to say that, but I have been by several dealers in the past few weeks looking for a sub-compact for grass mowing/light chore tractor. Only had one Kubota/ New Holland dealer around here even bother to come out of the office to ask if he could help, even though I had wandered around the lot for several minutes, and I know they saw my truck come in the parking lot(it's huge and very hard to miss). The JD dealer was out there before I got both feet on the ground, and walked me around to see everything they had on the lot. He explained everything, and was very knowledgeable about each model and the pros and cons for my application. Didn't get that with any other brands, except the one Kubota/NH dealer, who was very helpful. Dealer support goes a long way for me with a new unit.
Still hoping I can buy that 5020 down the road, but I think he's decided to keep it for awhile. Oh well, it's got a good home. ------------- I didn't do it! It was a short, fat, tall, skinny guy that looked like me! |
Posted By: WD45
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 9:27pm
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A Case/Int MX or a red Steiger. (STX or newer) ------------- Fred Dunlop, G,B,CA, WC,WF, 3 WD45`s,gas, diesel and LP,U,D10 series III, D12,D14,D15 SERIES II,D17 Series IV in Gas and Diesel ,D19 GAS and D21,170 185,210 ,220 an I-600 8070 fwd, 716H and 1920H |
Posted By: Dave in il
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 9:40pm
| What's an American tractor? We had a new 1974 8600 Ford. As I remember it (or at least part of it) was built in England and the final assembly was in Detroit. CNH is owned by Fiat and if you add all the brands Fiat owns around the world I believe they sell more tractors than any other company. Even John Deere imports their smaller tractors from Yanmar I think. LOL! |
Posted By: nsula_country
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 8:47am
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Could have been the CNH and Kubota dealers wanted to let you look around a bit to let you see what they have. The JD dealer hit you like a used car salesman. I actually do not like the pushy sales people like that. If I want you to come out and talk while I look at a possible new/used tractor I will come inside and get you. Not saying the guy was pushy, but I prefer for sales people to leave me alone when I'm looking at vehicles, tractors, equipment, ect. If I have a question, I'll look for you then. The local building supply is like that. There are several departments that have associates that ALWAYS throw themselves on you. I know they see me there several times a week and know I do not need help. But EVERY TIME I walk into plumbing he is stuck in my butt. I do not like that approach. Sorry for the rant... I'd almost buy any brand new if the dealer was local. CT
------------- 2014 LS P7010C, 1962 Farmall 504 Diesel (1st tractor) w/ 2008 Koyker 220 FEL, 1968 Allis Chalmers 180 Diesel, Komatsu PC38UU-2 Excavator, Various attachments for all! |