What type of Paint gun do you use?
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Topic: What type of Paint gun do you use?
Posted By: Orange Blood
Subject: What type of Paint gun do you use?
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 8:00am
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Hello again folks,
All of my painting career (which has been one tractor :-) I have used a suction style high pressure paint gun.
I am looking to buy a better gun (HVLP) for my 17 project, Since we paint the bottom side of these tractors, which type of gun works the best on the bottom end? A gravity fed, or suction fed, or do you use both, gravity on mid and top, suction on the bottom?
Thanks
Anthony ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
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Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 8:37am
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I am thinking the same thing Anthony - dmaybe retire the antique Binks.
I think the idea of the cup liners that I see harbor freight advertize may be the cats meow.
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Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 9:57am
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Save your money and get a cheaper one unless your starting a busuness of painting and already have the skill down pat.
A years or so back on the Speed channel they painted a show kit car with a 60 dollar HVLP gun to show it is the painter not the gun that does the fine work.
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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 10:05am
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The guy who did all the painting at the Chevy dealer I was at said pretty much what Dick says. Walt told me once that he couldn't see any difference in results between an expensive De Vilbiss gun and the cheap Harbor Freight gun. Now when the HF gun needs rebuilt, just toss it and get a new one. At that time Walt had been painting cars for 25 years. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Jeff Z. NY
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 10:07am
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Posted By: Osage_Orange
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 10:49am
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I have several that have accumulated over the years. A Binks Model 7, Harbor Freight Siphon Feed, HF Gravity Feed HVLP, HF Gravity Feed Touchup, and a couple others that I don't know the name of. I mostly use the HF HVLP and the HF Touchup. They seem to have less overspray. Have used the HF ones for enamel and base coat/clear coat and they do fine. At my level, I can't see paying $300 for a paint gun. Practice, practice, practice, works for me. FWIW :) ------------- Why is there never time to do it right the first time, but always time to go back and fix it? |
Posted By: omahagreg
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 11:19am
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Got HVLP one from Lowes. Including moisture trap and fittings I have less than $125 in mine. ------------- Greg Kroeker 1950 WD with wide front and Freeman trip loader |
Posted By: Bee
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 11:34am
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Harbor fright gravity feed low pressure. 14$
------------- Bob, North Carolina 1949 B |
Posted By: one54dodgetruck
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 12:11pm
Andrew ------------- 2 WDs B B112 D14 D15 shuttle 180 185 7040 Hd7w D14 D15 185 7040 pd |
Bee wrote:Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 12:38pm
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It may be my painting style but I find the binks no 7 syphon spray gun lays down a nice job when using industrial tractor single stage paints. I find the hvlp does a better job on the automitive 2 to 3 stage paints. paint preperation and a paint booth also goes a long way.Jmho ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 12:38pm
But you are correct, it is not the arrow, it's the indian! :-) ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 12:41pm
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so wich paint system do you plan to use 2 stage or 3 stage. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 12:42pm
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OK,
back to the question at hand.
For under the tractor, shooting up, which style, gravity, or suction??? That's all I want to know. Respectfully forget about the damn cost ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 12:43pm
Suction. ------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 12:48pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 12:56pm
So here it is, as plain as I can make it. When any type of paint gun, shooting any type of paint upwards, where the gun is below the paint stream at a severe angle, which works best a suction or gravity? If the gun is half full, I have to think the suction will stay in the paint longer, since most of the gravity guns lay the can back toward the operator, the paint would fall away from the opening faster than the suction gun, but I don't know, that's the whole reason for the question of you who have been there.
Forget about the type of paint, the cost of the gun, whether it's HVLP or not, just the location of the paint sorce, vs. the angle of the spray ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 12:56pm
I take it you don't want to do it my way.
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Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 1:00pm
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That's not a half bad idea, it never occured to me, my D17 rear end, will be heavier, but I will think about it. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Larry(OH)
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 1:00pm
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That sums it up Dick :) ------------- '40 WC puller,'50 WD puller,'50 M puller '65 770 Ollie *ALLIS EXPRESS contact* I can explain it to you, BUT I cannot understand it for you!! |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 1:01pm
------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 1:02pm
------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 1:03pm
------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: one54dodgetruck
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 1:15pm
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This is why i have 3 over head hoists that are capible of lifting the whole tractor up on end.
Andrew ------------- 2 WDs B B112 D14 D15 shuttle 180 185 7040 Hd7w D14 D15 185 7040 pd |
Posted By: Eric[IL]
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 1:22pm
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Orange Blood, I am not a pro painter. My Waggoner HVLP - HLVP? spray gun has a angled suction tube (30 degree bend on it?) inside its 1.5 qt container(cup). I have had good luck in just turning the suction tube towards the back of the gun's cup for spraying upwards or overhead. It will work just fine for just over half the volume of the container before it begins to sputter out of paint. Depends on the angle of spraying. If I am going to be spraying downward (like over a car hood) position, I just turn the suction tube toward the front of the sprayers cup. Dick, I like your idea of turning the piece over for a greatest positioning. I do that a lot when welding/fabricating if it is possible. Nothing like being comfortable at work....
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Posted By: Eric[IL]
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 1:31pm
| Orange Blood, sorry I did not answer your angle question. With my gun setup for overhead spraying, it will spray at any vertical angle as long as its has paint to suck from the cup. I always try to paint the most demanding angles first with a new cup full. I have no problems spraying directly overhead - straight up. As paint volume decreases, then so does the angle of spray |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 1:37pm
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Guys, I don't want anyone thinking I am mad at them, I was just frustrated that the topic whent were I didn't need it to. Everyone offers great ideas, and for that I am thankful, but my mind is made up about the HVLP, and the cost $50-100, I just wanted info on suction or gravity, since I had no exeriance with a gravity gun. Your info was helpful, and I am sorry to any of you who might think I was being childish, it was not my intent. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 1:40pm
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How hard was it to get it back over, without any paint damage from handling? I slid the cast centers back on and flip it back over with the engine hoist. No paint damage. |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 2:00pm
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I am very intrigued by that idea, I think I will go do some measuring, to see if I can do that with the 17 right now!!! ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: MUM FARMER
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 2:17pm
| Just a bit of information someone put me onto very slick system youtube 3m pps system primer gun with disposible tips and adapters to use cup setup on any gun check it out |
Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 3:37pm
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This is my line-up, all from Harbor Freight. I think the trick is getting the mixture right but I'm no painter. The gravity feed came with a tip for primer that works pretty good for the epoxy primer if there is such a thing. I got the one on the right just for what you are talking about. I used an emailed coupon and it was about $40, I don't remember what I paid for the filter/regulator that I got to go with it. I did the under side of the WC with the gravity feed one, wasn't easy and had paint come out of the top a couple of times trying to get to tight places. I do use the liners in the left one. I like the idea of the disposable tips, it seems I spend more time cleaning my paint guns than I do painting.  ------------- Maximum use of available resources! |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 6:27pm
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I looked into the 3M Paint Preperation System, as well as the disposable Primer gun, and I have to say, I like the idea of the bag liners colapsing as the paint is used, since it would seem to keep the paint at the inlet to the gun. They even have a youtube of it, completely upsidedown, and still getting even paint???
Thanks again for all the ideas, and sorry about the mix-up I created. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: j.w.freck
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2011 at 9:50pm
| what ever youd d ont buy a graco....the gun sucks along with their customer service.mine came with the wrong seals in the needle valve and it leaked real bad at the cannister.it was a gravity feed hvlp every time i called graco i got a song and dance.went and got the correct parts and repaired it myself... |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 1:29am
| do rattle cans count? |
Posted By: amac
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 7:24am
| There you go MUM. Throw the gravity feed cup away and get an adapter to screw on in its place and go to the disposable cup liners. As you spray the liner will collapse and creates a vacuum in the liner and you can spray at any angle and always have paint at the tip. Pretty simple and not as much cleanup when finished. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 7:27am
| The gun in a above photo using a remote pressure pot and fluid line will paint ceilings all day. A good airless rig with a laquer tip should be a great tractor's bottomside painter. Cup guns and gravity guns are just not designed to spray cielings or tractor bottoms. Mr. Retired House Painter said that. |
Posted By: Dave H
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 7:46am
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Me thinks Eric is the one that covered the OP well.
Is the way I do it with the pick up tube on the siphon one.
Guess I will keep my antique siphon one out of retirement and get the gravity HVLP one for the top side. :-)
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