Is this crack a problem
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Topic: Is this crack a problem
Posted By: captaindana
Subject: Is this crack a problem
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 9:36am
The crack between the cylinders I have seen before but it extends through the very top 1/8 inch of the sleeve also. It is just in the very top beveled 1/8th of the sleeve. Will it leak here? Can it be shut with a mig or tig in place? Leave it? Replace the sleeve? The piston and the rings stop well below this. Thanks for the info ahead of time. Dana
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Posted By: junkman
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 9:44am
| Looks to me like it would eventually leak. But if you put a new sleeve in it what is there to say it won't crack again. If it was mine I would take a serious look at the block. |
Posted By: David Maddux
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 9:44am
| crack in block OK. sleeve is no good. Very hard cast iron . You can't fix it. Need new sleeve. Dave. |
Posted By: dannyraddatz
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 12:34pm
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Is this the 190 series tractor you showed us about a month or two ago? ------------- Danny Raddatz |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 1:16pm
| Block okay! Sleeve shot and not usable. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 1:35pm
| depends on if it's ina tractor...or an airplane! |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 1:57pm
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both sleeves in the picture look cracked to me and cracks in sleeves grow with heat. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 2:22pm
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I think what I'm seein' (the LH sleeve cracked at 12:00) is what ML is seeing... check-see if that sleeve is cracked too. The fracture in the deck isn't a big deal, apparently it was nature of the beast, and the seal between sleeves and head is still intact and fine... BUT... my WD's block had been frozen and repaired, and the webbing down below is cracked, so no matter what I do with sleeves, they won't seal on account of the block 'opening' up and leaving a gap around the sleeves. if your webbing (down below the deck) is still intact, I'd say stuff in a new pair of sleeves, pistons, and rings and fire it up. |
Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 2:41pm
| Nope guys only the 1 sleeve has the crack. This is the D15 II. |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 3:46pm
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definately needs one sleeve and the other decked then . what caused the indention in the second sleeve? ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: RichinWis
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 3:54pm
| D15 II has very thin sleeves anyway so it makes all the more reason to change it, you don't want to trash the rest of the engine trying to take a shortcut. 160 CI engines are expensive to fix as it is, I certainly would not tempt fate and end up doing the job over again. |
Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 4:59pm
| ML what does decked mean? I see that mark and next time I go over to where the tractor is I will check it out. I remember seeing some mark there but it was I think smooth and a non issue but I will check. Thanks, Dana |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 5:06pm
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He means having the head gasket surface of the block machined so it's flat. Cracks between the tops of the sleeves will be sealed by the head gasket. Obvious the one sleeve is cracked and no good. The pits in the other one make it unuseable too. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 6:12pm
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Brian covered it but I will respond to . Your asking the steel fire ring in the gasket to do allot when you have gouges pits or cracks in the sleeves top flange that the gaskets fire ring sets on. the steel ring in the gasket needs to be on a flat surface to bite into or compression will go right under it through the pits gouges etc. ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: wbecker
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 6:16pm
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So if you "Deck" the block, would't you need to take the same amount off the top of all the sleeves? ------------- Allis B, IB, Low B, G, D10, JD M, 8KCAB, C152 |
Posted By: mlpankey
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 6:17pm
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yes ------------- people if they don't already know it you can't tell them. quote yogi berra |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 7:52pm
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You can take it from the sleeves, or recut the counter bores the sleeve flanges sit in. I'd be more inclined to cut the bores to insure the sleeves set perfectly perpendicular to the crank. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 8:04pm
| It doesn't look as though the deck or sleeves have been cleaned up so I wonder if the black on the sleeve to the left has a flaw or has some kind of fly crap on it. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 9:36pm
| simple, just say no to crack!! LOL. Darrel |
Posted By: j.w.freck
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 9:42pm
| if you have ever o hauled a 230 buda in a 45d,out of 10 blocks,9 will have inter cylinder web cracks.no big deal,if the sleeve is cracked...replace it.the head gasket will seal the web crack... |
Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2011 at 9:44am
| Thanks y'all, I just gor back from a 3 day trip and will check out that cyl #3. I am thinking its fine and just some picture reflection thing going on. Will report asap. Dana |
Posted By: skipwelte
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2011 at 1:49pm
| 160 parts are spendy, if your interested I have a set of used sleeves out of a 160, I could fix you up with a couple. I put a new set of sleeves and pistons in an Industrial 60 a year ago last winter, I dont throw nothin away. |
Posted By: captaindana
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2011 at 5:34pm
| Thanks Skip. I need your tele number anyways. My e mail is captaindana@msn.com if ya wanna shoot me an e mail. I am not sure what I am going to do with her yet until I get to the underside interior. Dana |
Posted By: walters444
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2011 at 7:37pm
| call me " mike" if im not avail ask for ron we will steer you in the right direction and if needed solve your prob. thanks remember if you have block problems its very possible you also have a head issue might want to check 217-472-3333 |