All time top tractor sales by model
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Topic: All time top tractor sales by model
Posted By: MikeB (SD)
Subject: All time top tractor sales by model
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 9:36pm
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Trying to compile a list of the top twenty of North American tractor model by sales.
See if you guys can find some I missed. Probably a million Fordsons made between England and Detroit but this is the number used for North American sales. Acgo claims
Massey Ferguson made more than 350,000 model 135's, but I don't think near that many made it here to North America so I left them off the list for now. I'm just rounding off the actual production numbers.
1. Fordson "F" & "N" 675,000
2. Ford 8N 524,000
3. Farmall H 391,000
4. John Deere B 300,000
5. Farmall M 297,000
6. John Deere A 260,000
7. McCormick 10-20 219,000
8. Ford-Ferguson 2N 197,000
9. Farmall Cub 186,000
10.John Deere 4020 184,000
11.Allis Chalmers WC 178,000
12.John Deere D 160,000
13.McCormick 15-30 157,000
14.Farmall F-20 154,000
15.Allis Chalmers WD 146,000
16.Case VA 143,000*
17.Farmall Regular 135,000
18.Ford NAA 129,000
19.Farmall F-12 123,000
20.Allis Chalmers B 123,000
*The Case VA includes all versions of it and the best of that model is the VAC at 95,000 units. The most amazing number in this group is the John Deere 4020 at 184,000 units the only tractor of the group newer than a mid fifties build.
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Posted By: abbaschild95
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 9:38pm
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very interesting on the JD 4020... ------------- Great-granfather's WC---- hopefully many more to come! |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 9:49pm
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If it were divided up by the amount made per year rather than total built it may change numbers quite a bit, considering the farmall M was made for a lot longer than say a WD, or WD-45.
------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: HagerAC
Date Posted: 03 Mar 2011 at 9:55pm
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Another interesting note: on yesterdays tractors website there is a poll that had to do with the type of tractor people had when they were growing up, or farmed with, and A-C blew the others out of the water.
------------- 30+ A-Cs ranging from a 1928 20-35, to a 1984 8070FWA, Gleaner R52 |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 6:29am
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Deere numbers on the A and B are wrong. I extensively researched the numbers on the A cause for years Deere claimed exactly 300,000 A's and exactly 300,000 B's. I knew that was BS. The A, and I have the numbers written down somewhere, including all versions of the like Orchard etc is around 260,000 from 1934 to 1952. The Allis comparable to the model A would be the combines numbers of both the WC 1934 to 1948 and the WD 1948 to 1952. I left 1953 WD number off the list to come closer to the same build dates and the WC, WF and WD production was somewhere around 330,000 all together. The only reason Allis wasn't considered the biggest tractor maker was fewer models and their other equipment, save the All-Crop, weren't nearly as entrenched as the long known lines of Deere and McCormick such as seederes, planters, plows etc.
The reason I combine the WD and WC is cause of the time frame match up and the fact that other than hydraulic features there wasn't a lot more different. I would guess there are many more swapable parts from a WC to a WD compared to an early A vs a late A. Of course an M is an M is an M. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: Bob-Maine
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 8:10am
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Mike, Interesting list and thanks for putting this together. According to Wendel's book, there were at least 127,186 AC B's built, with the final year, 1957 blank and there were probably few that year. If you include the IB's built with their own serial number, add 2372 more (as you included all Case V's). The earliest IB's are included in the B numbers. I say this as I don't want to see the AC B, my favorite, bumped off the top twenty by another. Bob@allisdowneast ------------- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not sure. |
Posted By: MikeB (SD)
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 9:45am
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Bob unfortunately Wendells numbers are wrong as he assumed their were no serial number breaks in Allis B production. Swinfords book clearly identifies a serial number break happening in 1942-1943 time frame with the change to the 3-3/8" bore on the engine. Also Swinford counts the units built in 1957 and actually their were 110 IB's only made in 1958. There were 120,113 total B's built and 2,850 IB's built according to Swinford's records so I will adjust the list to reflect the approximately 123,000 built.
Thanks Bob.
Lonn thanks for the Deere data, getting acuurate data on them is next to impossible as they would randomly skip serial numbers without logging an official serial number break.
The 4020 data is still a best guess but it is from a Deere insider that worked their at the time. Actually Deere used over 202,000 serial numbers for the 4020 and some one would have to manually look up sales records as these were not logged in a computer at that time. Also Lonn do you have a guestimate on the "B" numbers? I thinks its widely acknowleged that the B outsold the A. I will adjust the list to show these changes.
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Posted By: ac45
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 11:02am
| How many of each are still running? 10 bucks say there is a higher perctange of farmall H's and M's, and Wd's and Wd45's still running than JD A's and B's |
Posted By: John (C-IL)
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 12:17pm
I remember that poll, seems that there was a concerted effort by our forum members to effect "Chicago" style voting, "VOTE EARLY, VOTE OFTEN". We made quite an impression for a couple of weeks until Kim caught on to what we were doing. Sometimes it helps to have members knowledgable about computers, ya'll know who you are! LOL
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HagerAC wrote:Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 2:39pm
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Around where I live its is all old John Deeres and Allis Chalmers and Fords. Many many Farmalls scraped or out in a fence row dead. I bet I could go out and find a different JD A, AC WD45 and Ford Work master in running condition everyday, they are everywhere here. |
Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 3:42pm
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For the Jan/Feb issue, Two Cylinder Magazine counted Deere factory build logs for the new generation tractors. They say there were 129,906 early version 4020, and 55,851 late version. Plus 8095 model 4000 tractors built on the same line and using the same serial number sequence. Total 193,852. The first 4020 was SN 65,000 (continuing with 4010 SNs actually that ended with 59212). The last 4020/4000 was SN 270,288. Serial numbers not used: 90253-90999 115732-118999, 200785-200999, and 242581-249999. 11649 sn skipped. Misses computing by 211 tractors. Gerald J. |
Posted By: JH Buck
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 5:33pm
| Very interesting Thanks |
Posted By: farmtoybuilder
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 6:14pm
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The Massey 135 was the Worlds most produced sold tractor at one time. And a ton of them were sold in North America! Will see if I can find the numbers for them. ------------- 5 different TT-10's,5 TT-18's Terra Tigers,B-10,2 B-207's,B-110,2 B-112's,HB-112,B-210,B-212,HB212,2 Scamp's & Homilite T-10. Still hunting NICE HB-112 & anything Terra Tiger & Trailers for them. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 7:25pm
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weren't Fordsons English?
------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2011 at 9:54pm
| The reason there was so many 4020, That was the first real modern tractor JD built. MACK |