Dream tractor
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Topic: Dream tractor
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Subject: Dream tractor
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2026 at 7:54am
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Someone on the Red board started a thread like this. Couldn't help myself, had to do some dreaming. The one I 'dreamed up'. A WD 45 with a 5.9 Cummins, 12 speed power-shift, 185 final drives, and 20.8x34's. Upon further reflection, might even throw in a diesel ring and pinion. It would be plenty fast with the 5.9 and 20.8's! I realize this is true fantasy but hey, it would be fun!
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Posted By: DanielW
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2026 at 8:31am
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I always thought the best of all worlds for the tractors I'm used to would be an Allis 180/185 engine, front-end, hydraulic system, and layout (with their high-up platform seating position), but have the 8-speed tranny and rear end from a Ford 5000/6600 - including the independent PTO. Though I'd keep the Allis draft control system over the Ford's, and wouldn't mind the PD as well. I love the Allis 6 cyl, seating position, layout, hydraulics and look of the 180. But those Ford trannys and rear-ends were uber-bulletproof and could be abused to heck without issue. I'm quite certain if any of our Allis's were abused like our Fords have been for logging and working in the gravel pit, we would have had jumping gear issues and rear end failures years ago. But our Fords keep taking the abuse without complaint - well over 10k hours. I'd far rather be sitting on an Allis however: They sure got layout and hydraulic system right when they designed the 180.
I'd probably also have 30" rears on there, as I always thought the 180's looked a little too squat on the back with the stock 28's.
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Posted By: youngorange2000
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2026 at 11:15am
| Mine would be if the 100 series had true clutch pedal independent live pto |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 9:59am
| ibwd mike carry that one step farther shorten up the steering relocate the battery and put the super deluxe seat up on a flat floor |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 12:44pm
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Not today but IF in the 1960-70's - Start off with the IV D17 (170) - change the torque housing to accept the 7000 wet type PTO and power director clutch 3 speed - remove 1st gear to allow for syncros and move the PD torque gears down a bit. Use the 3 speed for a 9 speed trans - put disc brakes on as some of the pullers have done and power it with the 4.33T as in the 6060 - the a 2800 at 75 HP for the pullers to be legal - then 4.33I up to 85 PTO - switch to the bar axle to with the 301 at 105 and 118 HP as in the 7000 - ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 1:58pm
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The 80xx, especially power shift, needed more gear selection. It needed a 3 speed rear end. It would have been a real update over the 700xx. I still enjoy my ps 8050's as is. Leon B Mo ------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: TedBuiskerN.IL.
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 2:01pm
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I wanted to put the 4.33I into a WD45 or a D17. ------------- Most problems can be solved with the proper application of high explosives. |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 2:31pm
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Fun question!!! Allis Chalmers steam engines, AC hit and miss engines or more of the 2 cylinder engines like Fred has. I would have liked to have seen what Gleaner could have done with a 6080 and 8010. I can imagine a hydrostat transmission and electro hydraulics. The side council in the 8010 could’ve looked so far ahead of its time. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 2:49pm
| Love the late 190's or 200 but could use a few more gears between 5/6 and 7/8 and make road gear faster. Have never driven an 8000 series, thinking they would fit pretty good on the farm. Friend has one of every model, 8010, 8030, 8050 and 8070, but life is busy and I never get over to his farm any more to help him out otherwise I would probably get a chance to drive one. I think the Agco DT series was heading in the right direction, powershift or CVT transmission. Cumins motor and later Sisu. The one my friend has I have driven and other then some nagging electrical issues I think it has been a good tractor. |
Posted By: Dave (NE)
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 4:23pm
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I agree with the two stage clutch with the 100/200 series tractors. That would have been nice. My one-sixty has it, so why couldn't the other 100 series of had them? Also, I like the power director on the D series tractors rather than the one on the 180, etc. The 170 had the had clutch that was nice and easy to use. Dave ------------- Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. Mark Twain. |
Posted By: cwhit
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 7:14pm
| Just think how iconic the 190 would have been had they put the correct brakes ,PTO and rear end. Gearing so that a jogger couldn’t out run it…..it was SO close to have been perfect. |
Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 7:41pm
My dream tractor would be a Series 4 D17 gasser. Stock. In mint condition. Dream on...
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Posted By: DanWi
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2026 at 10:21pm
| How about a black belly 7080? Or if you make it a dream tractor 8.3 Cummins and a full power shift trans. |
Posted By: TedN
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2026 at 12:08am
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I think for me it would be a 2wd 8010 with powershift for baling, although not sure it would be much of an improvement over the 190XT. I also think I would like to have a SeriesIV D17 with three point, maybe a diesel with a 433 conversion. Ted ------------- 190XTD seriesIII, 190XTD seriesI, maroon belly 7000, 190XTD series??? project(or maybe parts) |
Posted By: 55allis
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2026 at 6:09pm
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Think mine would be an 8550 with a Allis 844 and of course the twin turbos… Even to drive one would be fun. I dream of someday to have an Allis museum, sorta like the one that used to be in my town except to go from the start of Allis to the end (plus a few extras).  ------------- 1955 AC WD45 diesel with D262 repower, 1949 AC WD, 1963 A-C D17 series 3, several Allis garden tractors 
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Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2026 at 9:56pm
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D21, 210, and a 220 with 540/1000 PTO. I sometimes wonder why there isn’t a D21 on this farm and if you only knew how close I came to having a 220FWA. Oh to turn back time. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: MadCow
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2026 at 11:30pm
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D17. Independent Hydraulics. Quick Attach loader of some kind, diff lock. Snap coupler, power steering. But my new 190s are quickly stealing my heart. |
Posted By: Chaimers
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2026 at 8:02am
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Dr.Allis builds dream tractors
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Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 5:47am
Yes he does.
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Chaimers wrote:Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 6:19am
^^^^^^^^^ |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 8:39am
| The latest creation idea from the laboratory, is a One-Eighty (gas) that I was planning on doing an F-2/433-TI engine transplant into, and then fabricating a narrow front end to go with that. Finding an engine that suits my finances seems to be the problem right now. Still might make the narrow front end and leave it a gasser, now that the exhaust manifold issue is resolved. We'll see. |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 9:02am
| was their any 100 series narrow fronts at all from the factory 170 180 narrow front would look kind of cool |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 9:19am
| Yes to both. But, only a few of the One-Seventy's NF and zero of 170's/175's. One-Eighty's were even less common as you had to buy the interchangeable front support, which in the end was probably as much $$$$ as the standard WF end with the external hydraulic cylinder. |
Posted By: soggybottomboy
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2026 at 4:51pm
| Back when AC came out with the 7000 tractor I had been hoping that they would increase the bore and stroke of the 301 engine to 4" x4.5" and make a 339 cubic inch diesel out of it. That was the configuration on the AC 226 gas that they built for so many years and just seemed to me an engine like that would be uniquely Allis Chalmers. The 4 valve heads that companies use nowdays didn't come along till later but that would have been a mean combination. |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2026 at 5:42pm
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Mine would be an Allis H. Came in second place on an auction once for one. I understand there are a couple out in the Utah area maybe. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D17, 615 backhoe, M7, 2-Oliver OC3's, 5 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, 34 Ford coupe, 57 T-Bird |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2026 at 8:00pm
| theirs only a hand full of allis chalmers in utah and i have half of them it seems like to me |
Posted By: MNLonnie
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2026 at 8:10pm
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How many H's do you have? Maybe it was Nevada that has them. Seems like somebody out that direction was hoarding them. ------------- Waukesha B, B, IB, G, styled WF, D17, 615 backhoe, M7, 2-Oliver OC3's, 5 Ford Model T's, 3 Model A Fords, 34 Ford coupe, 57 T-Bird |
Posted By: HudCo
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2026 at 8:48am
| nevada guy has the h's i have the extra rare R modals |
Posted By: AC720Man
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2026 at 10:12pm
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Wish our 6060 had a power director or power shift. It should have at least come with the 3 speed like the 6080 from the very beginning. Otherwise it’s a really good tractor with live hydraulics and pto. ------------- 1968 B-208, 1976 720 (2 of them)Danco brush hog, single bottom plow,52" snow thrower, belly mower,rear tine tiller, rear blade, front blade, 57"sickle bar,1983 917 hydro, 1968 7hp sno-bee, 1968 190XTD |
Posted By: IBWD MIke
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2026 at 5:59am
| Yes, some sort of power-shift on the 6000 series would have been fantastic! |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2026 at 7:55am
| A tractor that never breaks down,easy to start and easy on fuel |
Posted By: Tom59
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2026 at 8:03am
| Mine would be an Allis Chalmers D-17 Series IV gas and AC 185 tractor plus 3 bottom semi mounted plow for the 185. |