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How good are those reproduction D17 fenders?

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Topic: How good are those reproduction D17 fenders?
Posted By: Hayseed
Subject: How good are those reproduction D17 fenders?
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2024 at 9:32am
Anyone used these reproduction fenders for a D17 or D19?  Description in the listing below says "not restoration quality but serviceable".  Any feedback is appreciated.

https://stores.djstractorparts.com/allis-chalmers-d17-d19-fender-left/" rel="nofollow - https://stores.djstractorparts.com/allis-chalmers-d17-d19-fender-left/

 


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1947 All Crop 60 combine, 1955 WD-45, 1959 D-17, 1965 190XT gas, 1968 190XT diesel, 1982 8050, 2000 Monoframe plow and 19?? forklift



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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2024 at 9:52am
I've seen one pair and they were awful, but they were a fender. Don't know whose they were.


Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2024 at 10:24am
That's a tough call when it comes to repro parts. I always look at it as which way am I better going with for my money, and whether I keep original components? If your original fenders aren't in real bad shape, the way to go may be to repair them yourself if you dabbled with doing body work, or have a body guy repair them if it's the cheaper way to go. It's a cost factor thing of do I spend the money with the body man and fix my originals for say $450.-$500. bucks or do I go with the repops for $800.?  Over the years, I've found that some repro sheetmetal fits "okay" and some don't even come close to fitting. (that's usually the cheaper stuff)  I've found this more in the Antique Car world  then in the Tractor world.  Again, it's totally up to the individual. Some people gotta' have OEM stuff on their Cars, Trucks, Tractors. That's fine. Others don't care if whatever they're installing is original or not as long as it fits or comes close to fitting and making the vehicle look good, or replacing something it didn't have to start off with. Then you have the problem of trying to restore an original part only to find there isn't anything offed in the aftermarket, and some particular parts are next to impossible to find.  I ran into that problem a couple times. Once when I was looking for fenders for my IB and once looking for a patch panel on our shop van. The fenders on my IB were in real bad shape. On top of that, the back half of em' was cut off as well. A few of the fellers on here said the WD fender is pretty close to the IB fenders, but there are quite a few changes to make. Well, I wound up going with a set to repro WD fenders and then taking all the fenders to my body man to do the changeover deed. They came out nice as alway with my body man, but I had a ton of money into those things because i don't do body work. That's an art in itself. Anyway, sorry for the long post, but like I said, it's a tough call depending on the circumstances involved with each individual problem...... Wacko
Steve@B&B


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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife


Posted By: Hayseed
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2024 at 1:42pm
I am not looking to create a Mecum Auction restoration, just want it to look nice.  Old fenders are pretty rusted out and the reinforcing ribs on the backside are also rusted out and broken.  Will see if I can get pics to post here.


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1947 All Crop 60 combine, 1955 WD-45, 1959 D-17, 1965 190XT gas, 1968 190XT diesel, 1982 8050, 2000 Monoframe plow and 19?? forklift


Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2024 at 3:48pm
When the vendor themselves tell you that they are "serviceable" and "not restoration quality", that should raise red flags right there!  They are made in China, what do you expect?

Instead of spending money buying those, you can use that money to fix your old ones.  Take them to a local body shop and the end result will be much better.  I have done that with all of mine


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'49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '61 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080


Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2024 at 5:26pm
You can't cut corners and build nice stuff. Those fenders and braces are not an easy or cheap project. The grills for the hundred series are the same, A tremendous amount of work to build a quality die to produce the part. JMHO, Tracy

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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2024 at 8:41pm
I'd call around first to the various 'used' Allis people and see what you can get.  Like https://www.allischalmers.com/FORUM/member_profile.asp?PF=659" rel="nofollow - Bill Deppe/AC Salvag   He'd be about the closest I think.  Otherwise advertise "WTB" in the classifieds to see what you can get.  There were a lot of D-17s made and a bunch sitting in the weeds.  You might find something good.


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"Allis-Express"
19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17


Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2024 at 9:43pm
I had seen your photo(s) and that fender is very repairable but not going to be inexpensive to do so. The cost of labor and materials these days ensure it if the work needs hired out.  Best find a donor if cost containment is your goal. 




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A career built on repairing and improving engineering design deficiencies, shortcomings, and failures over 50 years now.


Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 6:20am
As other have said, look around for good original fenders. if not 'ok', perhaps use pieces for 2 or 3 to have yours repaired by a GOOD 'metalman' NOT a 'bodyman'. There's a huge difference. A 'bodyman' will got though gallons of 'bondo filler' every year, my 'metalman' onlu use 1 can every 3-4 YEARS.He cuts out he rust,welds in new steel,cut,grind,weld,then a very,very light skim.
Would have to see pictures of your fenders but it's a 'good' rust(no SALT ) unlike loaded rims. The 'ribs' aren't hard to fix, if you break it down into sections, and locate 'donor' steel pieces.The straight section can be 'repurposed' tubing. Is it a challenge, yes, but think 'outside the box' to find pieces that can be modified to weld in.
That offshore 'usuable' fender would be $800 CDN, + shipping so for sure , I'd be repairing not replacing.


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3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water


Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 7:58am
I have a set of very nice series three or four fenders for sale. Bill Deppe is a great source. Also you could try Alex at A & W.

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http://lonsallischalmers.com


Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 9:02am
Maybe you'll get lucky with some of the vendors here and pick up a nice used set. I would go with that first. There's a lot more to a "D" series fender than the old "clam shell" type fenders. Bill Deppe, Tony C, A&W, Lonn, etc.  Good luck!
Steve@B&B


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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife


Posted By: Hayseed
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 11:08am
PM sent to you Lon(MN)


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1947 All Crop 60 combine, 1955 WD-45, 1959 D-17, 1965 190XT gas, 1968 190XT diesel, 1982 8050, 2000 Monoframe plow and 19?? forklift


Posted By: Hayseed
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 11:32am
LH fender




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1947 All Crop 60 combine, 1955 WD-45, 1959 D-17, 1965 190XT gas, 1968 190XT diesel, 1982 8050, 2000 Monoframe plow and 19?? forklift


Posted By: Hayseed
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 11:32am
RH fender




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1947 All Crop 60 combine, 1955 WD-45, 1959 D-17, 1965 190XT gas, 1968 190XT diesel, 1982 8050, 2000 Monoframe plow and 19?? forklift


Posted By: Hayseed
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 11:37am
I finally got the pics to post correctly!

Contacted ASAP about used fenders, they had nothing.   Tried a place in NY, he said he had a pair but they were in bad shape and didn't feel good about shipping them to me halfway across the country.  Have posted in the classifieds, see what I find.


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1947 All Crop 60 combine, 1955 WD-45, 1959 D-17, 1965 190XT gas, 1968 190XT diesel, 1982 8050, 2000 Monoframe plow and 19?? forklift


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 12:40pm
Drive over to LONs house in Minn.... you can get there and back in a day!

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Like them all, but love the "B"s.


Posted By: Tim NH
Date Posted: 11 Jan 2024 at 3:38pm
And when you walk into his shop/ building. You will be awestruck as to whats in there, trust me I was.   Tim


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1950 WD 1959 D14 1955 WD45 1976 7000 B 207


Posted By: Lon(MN)
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2024 at 7:45am
I will get the fenders down and take pictures. Thanks for the interest.

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http://lonsallischalmers.com


Posted By: Kenny L.
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2024 at 9:26am
Bill Deppe can help you with the fenders I was just down there. 560-357-2615


Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 9:37am
Ive used the before on restorations. Some light body work can bring them back. When I used them, you could see ripples in the sheet metal that was formed by the die punching them out. No hammering-a light coat of filler smoothed them out



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Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"

1968 D15D,1962 D19D
Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start


Posted By: Hayseed
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 7:36pm
Fender update!  Went with the "not restoration quality" fenders, did have to do a little skimming with some bondo to cover ripples in the curved parts and fill in dimples from the welds holding the reinforcing ribs to the sheet metal.  One fender was actually pretty good, the other is the one I had to spend most of the effort on.  Turned out just fine for me.  Was hoping for a minimum of a "20 footer", I think she'll be a solid "5 footer" thanks to a lot of help from my son behind the $19.99 Harbor Freight paint gun.

When we've got her all back together will post more pics.







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1947 All Crop 60 combine, 1955 WD-45, 1959 D-17, 1965 190XT gas, 1968 190XT diesel, 1982 8050, 2000 Monoframe plow and 19?? forklift


Posted By: Hayseed
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 7:38pm
Forgot closeup pics of the fenders in the "paint booth"...




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1947 All Crop 60 combine, 1955 WD-45, 1959 D-17, 1965 190XT gas, 1968 190XT diesel, 1982 8050, 2000 Monoframe plow and 19?? forklift


Posted By: Ed (Ont)
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 7:45pm
Looks great.  Smile


Posted By: RedHeeler79
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 9:07pm
That is looking really nice!! Great job so far, don’t forget to post pics once it’s all back together!


Posted By: BLee Mn
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2024 at 7:24pm
dont junk old fenders    someone could possibly use them to repair their fenders 

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Cowboy UP


Posted By: Hayseed
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2024 at 8:13pm
I will list them in the classifieds on this site.


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1947 All Crop 60 combine, 1955 WD-45, 1959 D-17, 1965 190XT gas, 1968 190XT diesel, 1982 8050, 2000 Monoframe plow and 19?? forklift


Posted By: DonDittmar
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2024 at 5:47am
I solid fender with ripples is better than an original fender that is half rusted out in my book

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Experience is a fancy name for past mistakes. "Great moments are born from great opportunity"

1968 D15D,1962 D19D
Also 1965 Cub Loboy and 1958 JD 720 Diesel Pony Start


Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2024 at 10:18am
For someone that wasn't to particular in building a Mecum show Tractor, that Tractor looks pretty damn nice from where I'm sittin'!  Nice job!  Kudos to your son with the paint gun too!  Love the detail.
Steve@B&B


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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife



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