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Topic: New Mig Cart,,,,,
Posted By: desertjoe
Subject: New Mig Cart,,,,,
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 10:35pm

 I am headed to Harbor freight, TSC, Big Red and Home depot,  prolly Tuesday or Wednesday, to look me for a new cart for the Lincoln mig. I use the CO2 bottle that is bout 20" high and would rather get a cart that is LOW to the ground.
 Any suggestions,,,,??



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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 10:42pm
I acutaly bought a 2 wheel dolly for moving furniture / etc.... i built a platform about a foot above the stock platform and mounted the wire feed welder on it... i built a small platform out back to mount the tank on it... Easier for me to use a 2 wheel dolly cart to move around the driveway and yard compared to a 4 wheel cart... Now if you never leave the garage, thats different !

Here is my wire feed welder and plasma cutter carts...








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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2023 at 10:57pm


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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 12:12am

 Hey Steve,,,I'm really liking your 2 wheel dolly idea for a mig cart,,,,!!! I really struggle trying to move the current 4 wheel cart around by myself is why I was looking for a better replacement,,,!!! My only'ist question is ,,Why did raise the mig 12", instead of down low,,??
 I want to be able to move the mig with tank around where needed and even in back yard so the 4 wheel cart was NOT my favorite choice but your idea will be a very versatile application for a 2 whee dolly,,,,!!!  That right there is a Great idea,,,,!!!!


Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 3:39am
Save some disappointment. Get a 2 wheel dolly with hard airless tires, those chinese maypops only last a short time, in the desert sun...Wink

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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 8:07am
YEA... my tires are full of air.. Seems like it leaks down every 6 months and i have to put a little air in it.  I got these at Harbor Freight on sale for like $29.  I wanted BIG tires to go thru the rocks and yard... Like Dave said, if BIG type solid tires were available, that might be  better.. But i didnt want them 6 inch diameter 2 inch wide things.. Air every 6 months aint too bad.

JOE !!!  Im 70 years old !!... Dont need to be BENDING DOWN to ground level too often. Raising the welder up a ways was just for convenience... Also had a plastic box ? drawer under the welder in the beginning.. Use to keep spare parts, extra 2 # roll, and tip cleaner pliers in the box..


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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 8:25am
My welder is a 135 amp so it dont stick out too far on each side of the cart.. But i still have to watch that i dont BUMP the torch / wand when going thru the door way or narrow passages..... If you have the larger  220v welder, you might consider a WIDER cart to protect the torch..






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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 8:38am

  LOLLOLLOL Well, Steve,,,you are just a youngster,,,but point well taken,,,!! I am also always modifying and changing the ways I do ALL things I work on for strictly convience and to save my tired old worn out back,,,!!
 HF has a dolly I'm interested in but I'm leaning towards pneumatic tires, bigger the better , as they travel better in my rocky and uneven yard. It has the "D" handle and 8" pneumatic  tires and 600# rating for the frame,,Clap
 Thanks for the suggestion,,,DIYDAVE,,Clap
 My welder is a 220 machine, 175 amp so I'll take those dems for reference.


Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 5:29pm
Joe, go to a flea mkt or yard sale, or junkyard, find some steel wheelbarrow wheels, with  a couple bushings you'll be totin that wekder, where ever you want...Wink

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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 10:45pm

 Hey DiyDave,,,I'm not sure I understand your suggestion for the wheel barrow tires,,,,but hey,,,I;m game if it saves me some dollars,,,,,WinkWink

 Actually I really like ole Steve's idea on modifying a two wheel cart for a mig welder cart,,,er carrier,,,er,,,You Know ,,,!!
 So, I went to the ailen City and got one of HF's two wheel carts. They were out of the medium duty (600#) unit,, so they let me have the heavy duty (1000#) units for the price of the  medium duty unit,,,,!!,,,,I LIKE HARBOR FREIGHT,,!!
 Bought some square tubing on the way home for the Lincoln and tank frame for the 2 wheel cart,,so I'm on a ROLL,,,,,!!!Clap





Posted By: Coke-in-MN
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2023 at 11:20pm
You have the welder , just find a couple pieces of angle iron and you have the cart with a little welding thrown in . Mine has a place to strap bottle on back and a place to hang cables on the side . have though of a small box on it to put tips and shields in but so far in 20 years have not got around to it . 
 Yes I have 4 casters on cart , but the POW-CON welder I have has a removable wire feed unit , so can be either just stick welder or wire feed . Power supply is 220 V input but only weighs around 60lb so easy to move . Had a jumper cable made up so can take wire feed head to the work spot , cables from power unit are set up with twist lock plugs co can be 30 ft from power unit and do the welding needed . Made it up that way so I could work on dump truck boxes and such . 

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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2023 at 8:28am
I think Daves point was STEEL WHEELS dont go flat..

You can always CHANGE the wheels on any 2 wheel cart at a later date if you have problems .... can also MAKE steel wheels out of  8 or 12 inch pipe sections..




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Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2023 at 1:33pm
The last welder I bought had a hole on each side on the back of bottom side that I put a rod through and put wheels on and then bolted a handle that i welded a u shaped rod to to hold the cables.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2023 at 7:19pm

 Well,,I got my two wheeled (dolly) mig cart bout halfway done and already second guessing myself,,,,WinkLOL

 Do the electronics or the wire feed assy "KNOW" if the main case is lashed down right side up or sideways or even,,,gasp,,,with the face of the welder looking straight up,,,OR,,,do they even care,,,???
 With the Lincoln Mig mounted sideways on the cart,,,,I would rather not have the torch sticking out in the path when you are moving it,,,!!
It would sure enough be a candidate for running the torch into something  where it comes out of the wire assy and break the plastic housing that houses the feed assembly,,,,??


Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 9:52am
Make the front support farther fwd and mount it facing fwd.
When tipped back for moving it shouldn't be that bad. Whi says it.has to be sideways. Think outside the box.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 4:00pm

 Hey THANKS SteveM,,,,Clap

 Most times I DO NOT believe in co-oincidences but dang it!!!!   sometimes CHIT does Happen,,,,,Yesterday late,,I was fixing to put the last of the welds on the \last two braces on my new mig cart and danged if the friggin welder throws a shoe and stopped feeding any wire at all, so after looking it over I find the wire feed drive motor has gone south,,,CHIT FIRE,,!!!!! Checked with the welding supply in the Alien Town and they refer me to Lincoln as nobody carries any inside parts for the mig welders,,,OF Course,,,That tells me the friggin drive motor is NLA even tho the machine is only bout 5 years old,,,,,
 Does any one here have a link to somebody that carries aftermarket replacement  parts,,??   TIA,,,


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 4:41pm
Joe... i see a lot of "units" for sale with the motor for the smaller Lincoln 140 .. and many "generic" motor drives... Seems like you can get the motor seperate , or you can get the DRIVE with the motor.. Some appear to be 12v and others are 24 V.. I would measure what you have for power... Dont seem like it would be hard to mount one of these to a welder............. from AMAZON.





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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 7:32pm

  Well, Steve,,I been thinking about that very thing,,,I cannot imagine the mfgrs specking out a different motor or even the whole drive assembly for every new welder they manufactor,,,???? Maybe they DO,,!! I been dreading that dang Shameless coming on and start accusing me of being "Cheep" just cause I want to save a few bucks,,,,you know how that guy is,,,,,!!!LOLLOL
 I'm gonna go ahead and pull the drive assy/motor in the morning to get a close look at it and mayhaps I can even dis-assemble the motor and replace the bearings or maybe machine some new brass bushings for it,,,More that one way to skin a cat,,beside,,,,,er,,,,er,,, never mind,,,,,,
 Thanks for all the help,,,Ya'll,,,!!WinkWink


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 7:43pm
Grand kids had a 12v Hot Wheels JEEP that two small kids ride in... It had the same 19.2 v motor that was in my Craftsman Battery power drill and my Craftsman 5 inch skill saw !!... YEP... i bought a spare HOT WHEELS motor when the skill saw crapped out... YES.. there are only 2-3 different sizes of motors... Only think different is the GEAR on the end of the shaft.

I assume you have checked for voltage OUT of the Circuit Board to the motor and know the motor is the problem..
 




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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 8:29pm

 Actually Steve,,I have not even seen the motor yet,,!!  I can only hear like a solenoid clicking in that general area  when i press the trigger on the torch. Same noise as when welder is operating. I can see the drive wheel trying to turn and will sometimes turn almost a half round then stop. Keep hitting the trigger and drive wheel will sometimes turn a bit other times not at all. So, I cannot see what nor where the wires are going to the motor from.
 It's looking like the welder will have to be upside down to remove the motor,,,,gear drive??
 Wait,,,doesn't the motor/drive wheel assy come straight out,,right at the drive assy ,,,??


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2023 at 8:37pm

  Hey Steve,,where did you find that ad for the generic motor?


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2023 at 9:22pm

 OK,, a bit of an update altho,,,,,,there ain't NO update,,,I just did not accomplish a thing on the mig's issues today,,!!!!The wire drive DID start working this morning but it only turns at a very LOW speed even with the wire speed knob is turned all the way up,,,!! AND,,,the wire continues to feed out of the nozzle about 3-4"    "AFTER" you let off the trigger,,,WTH,,,?? It does that every time after time. The motor will only run at a very slow speed with wire speed turned all the way up.
 Could the issue be the solenoid that energizes the motor or a bad motor,,,?
 ANY suggestions or some kind words,,,,,WinkWink


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2023 at 9:46pm
unless the motor shaft is SLIPPING, or the wire feed roller is SLIPPING.......... the only way i can figure to SLOW IT DOWN is to reduce the voltage.. Like i said, some of them motors are RATED at 19v and used in battery operated drills with 12 - 18 - 20 volts.. SPEED changes related to VOLTAGE.
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Our 12v wire feed motor measures 28 mm (1-3/32") in diameter and 46 mm (1-7/8") in length. The diameter of the pinion measures 7 mm. Two M3 screws hold the motor in and are set about 16 mm apart. Equivalent to part numbers WE6912 and WE04600141.

Fits the following MIG welders: Craftsman® MIG welder models 20569 and 196.205690, the Clarke® MIG 130EN, the Forney MIG 130FI, and the HTP America® MIG 130


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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2023 at 9:52pm
Joe... you said sometimes the MOTOR KEEPS RUNNING when you let go of the trigger... And sometimes it runs SLOW meaning there is a drop in voltage (thru the trigger ??))

AND, AND, AND... you just put a new whip / gun on the machine.. Makes me wonder if you got a bad wire connection... OR the new gun has a BAD TRIGGER ??

Maybe BYPASS the trigger and jumper the wires where the WHIP attaches to the welder ( inside) and see what the speed does ?


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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2023 at 9:59pm
Discussion of circuit board and switch problems on the 180...

low voltage from the board could effect the SPEED of the motor.. but if it wont turn OFF, that seems like a sticky SWITCH...

https://weldingweb.com/vbb/threads/716825-Lincoln-180-wire-feed-motor-not-running" rel="nofollow - https://weldingweb.com/vbb/threads/716825-Lincoln-180-wire-feed-motor-not-running



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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 12:09am

 Hey Steve,,,YES the motor continues running at the very slow speed even AFTER  you let off the trigger,,long enough to run out 3-4" of wire ,,,!!
 Was tal;king with Thad earlier and he mentioned the solenoid that triggers the motor may be sticking,,,??
 I DID disconnect the two wires from the trigger to the connections inside the box and then shorted across the two connections and motor done the same thing ,,,it will only run at a very slow speed and then will continue to run AFTER you remove the jumper wire,,,,to run out 3-4" of wire every time.


Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 7:38am
Joe I’d read the post from Welding web that Steve posted.
Maybe re join and post in the Lincoln section.
I’d remove the wire and test to see if the motor continues to run after the trigger is let off. I’d also hook up the wires from the old gun and try just for fun.
Play with the wire speed switch and see if it ever changes.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 9:00am

 Good points, Thad. I'ma gonna go look,,,


Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 11:40am
First things first, Joe- 

If the feed rollers are turning, the WIRE needs to be MOVING.  If the wire ain't moving, you need to fix this first.  Feed rollers grip and push the wire, and if the wire jams inside the liner, or the torch head, or sticks to the tip, the rollers will wear out quickly, and they'll also send fine wire dust into the liner and muck it up worse.

If you've been fighting this for a while (particularly if you had contaminated wire), then you need a new set of rollers, a new liner, and some workbench time. Wink


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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 6:32pm
Joe... i dont think the 180 has a Solenoid to run the motor... It appears the SWITCH turns on  something on the CIRCUIT BOARD, and the BOARD feeds the power to the motor... So if it continues to RUN , either the SWITCH is sticking ( you said no).. or the INTERNAL SWITCH on the Circuit board has a problem... It probably controls the SPEED also.. Here is a diagram and a link to the operators manual.

https://www.lincolnelectric.com/assets/servicenavigator-public/lincoln3/imt10135.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.lincolnelectric.com/assets/servicenavigator-public/lincoln3/imt10135.pdf


page 28 .... the above takes a while to download..






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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 6:40pm
Joe, if you look close at the drawing, you see the SWITCH is between the BOARD and the MOTOR... That means the SWITCH has to be CLOSED for the motor to run........ It still looks like the SWITCH is sticking, to me......

or like Dave said, the WIRE is sticking inside the sheath / rollers and jumping... making it look like it is still feeding with no power.


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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 6:46pm

   Well,,,I had typed up a long winded dis-a-tation of the latest on my current project AND instead of clicking "Post Reply" ,,,I must of clicked on something else and sent that post to TimBuckToo,,,!!  Dang,,I HATE when that CHIT 
 happens,,!!
 Now,,I know some must be sittin on pins waiting to find out how that poor Lincoln fared today,,,,,WinkWink
 After an all day slugfest,,,Wink,,the Lincoln will not have to be escorted to the junk pile,,!!
  I removed the gear drive/Motor and pulled the drive cover as the motor mount bolts are inside the drive. Everything inside looked good with no teeth missing or broken. On a whim, I used a jumper wire and tried the motor and the frigging thing started to run as fast as it always did,,!! I cleaned and repacked the drive and reassembled the Drive/Motor. in it's place.
 Lashed everything up and the motor now runs as fast as before,,!!!????
Only'ist thing I can figure is the trigger contacts on the  "NEW" whip must of had some trash ,,,?? on the contacts,,,,and guess what??? on opening the trigger ,,,I find where some idiot had smeared some heavy grease on the contacts,,,,WTH,,,?

   I HAVE A WELDER,,,,AGAIN,,,!!!

 MANY, MANY THANKS to everyone that volunteered their suggesstions,,,I appreciate all of Ya'll,,,,!!!!ClapClapClapClapClap


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 7:05pm


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Posted By: Thad in AR.
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2023 at 7:22pm
Good job Joe. Glad you stuck with it.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2023 at 6:41pm
  Well,,after a few false starts,,I finally finished the mig Dolly Cart and I really like it much better than the 4 wheel model I had before.  For main thing,,,I wanted a LOW center of gravity for use on areas with out concrete. The Dolly frame just lends itself to being able to maneuver it many wonderfuls,,!! 
 Many THANKS to Steve(ill)  for his design,,,it worked out great!!
 I might of fudged a bit in that I robbed two of the pneumatic tires from the old cart just to give em a tryWinkWink ( Thanks DIYDAVE) still have the hard rubber ones of these don't work out. I was kinda concerned about the weight of the CO2 cylinder shifting around so I put a 3 1/2" muffler clanp  under the plastic handle and bolted her down,,,it ain't gonna move for chit,,,,!!!


Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2023 at 9:16am
WELL THANKS JOE !!!! .... Now every time i go to a NEW PAGE on the computer there is a SALE ADD at the top or bottom that wants me to buy a 2 wheel cart, wire feed welder, welding gloves, or a mask !!! .................SOMEBODY is WATCHING !!!  Big smile  Wink

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Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2023 at 6:46pm

 Well,,,Steve,,,,I'm glad you understand,,,every one of them abc agencies know all about me and my shenanigans so ,,,I don't even worry about that any more,,they are gonna do what they do regardless if I like it or not,,,,LOLLOL
 By the way,,,here's another shot of the "STEVE CLONE",,,,ClapClapClap
 I'm sure proud of it,,,!!



Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2023 at 8:42pm
Looks sharp, Joe!!


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Posted By: Dirt Farmer
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2023 at 2:38am
Wow Joe, that cart looks great, between you and Steve you guys could go into fabrication, looks better, stronger and more practical than anything you could pull off a shelf anywhere. Let me know when you start taking orders. Side note, have you heard anything more from Shameless.


Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2023 at 8:07am

 Actually DirtFarmer,,ole Shameless told me he was gonna go see his Dr on Monday PM and would let me know,,,later.
 I'll give him a hollar after he has time to work the kinks out,,,,,,
 Thanks for asking,,,Clap



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