Tandem Sickle Mower ???
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Topic: Tandem Sickle Mower ???
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Subject: Tandem Sickle Mower ???
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 10:11am
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looking for tandem sickle mower set up... two 7' I am assuming. I've seen them in the past but only out west.... I have an good 82 R with pto out the back . Can I make this work with a trail type mower behind it ? Post PHOTOS please... post photos. post photos. POST PHOTOS !!!! ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
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Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 12:35pm
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The pto out the back is there to run a ‘crimper’. You would need some sort of way to have the 2nd sickle offset to expand the cutting swath. You would need the 2 nd sickle be trailing behind the sickle bar of the first. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 12:36pm
well i had never heard of such a thing... so i had to GOOGLE it... Saw a couple photos... seems like they are FACTORY made mounted to a COMMON FRAME... I dont see a photo of two units hinged together.... probably has to do with PTO alignment. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 12:48pm
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: jiminnd
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 12:50pm
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Several factory made ones, some pto drive and some hydraulic, Rowse seems to be most popular ------------- 1945 C, 1949 WF and WD, 1981 185, 1982 8030, unknown D14(nonrunner) |
Posted By: Darwin W. Kurtz
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 1:13pm
| If I am not mistaking, I think Rouse owns the rights to the International series of balanced head mowers. I was off at a farm sale about a 100 miles from me one day and I saw a mower that was double sickle, looked to me like it had International components. Not ever seeing a double sickled mower, didn't know what it actually was..... actually thought it had been manufactured in somebody's farm shop. It sold to a scrap man. Got home a researched it and turned out to be a Rouse unit. I had never even heard of Rouse and then that's when I figured out the deal with the International components. Their equipment looks to be well made in America, somewhere in Nebraska I think. |
Posted By: MikeKroupa
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 1:41pm
| Actually it's spelled ROWSE. A family company from Burwell, NE. rowserakes.com, HTH, Mike |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 2:02pm
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Interesting !!!! I know that mine 82 R rear PTO is designed for a crimper. But I have no intention of using crimper at this time. "9" haybine for me" The double sickle would be practical for me and "really unique" !!!! Keep in mind I would be using the double sickle for mowing pastures and mowing down hay fields not in production. Friends and neighbors poke fun at me as there running thier bat wing brush hogs at full throttle. I'll just drive along at 1300 RPM quiet and comfortable. I will admit backing a double sickle might be a challenge. Cause sooner or later your gonna get a clog. ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 2:37pm
Let your neighbor’s poke fun at you, all they want, you may very well have the last laugh as you don’t have to pull out the checkbook every 4 weeks, and send off your hand earned money to Mr Faceless Banker. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Macon Rounds wrote:Posted By: mdm1
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 3:11pm
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I can't make one work more less two. I envy guys that know how to set them up and make them work. The one in the pic looks just like backing a trailer. ------------- Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK! |
Posted By: Ky.Allis
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 3:35pm
| All that would accomplish is cause you to cuss twice as much. |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 3:57pm
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I'll leave that one to the experts. I don't like unplugging them that well. |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 4:26pm
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I'll admit. they are not a grease and go machine.... Lots of maintenance.... Before each use: Check rock guards for tightness. swath board security. Knife sections for sharpness. I use the bottom serateed knive sections. And bolt on knives sections. if it just needs sharpend you can remove one rock guard sharpen and away you go. As for the rock guards: I have never known how many styles of rock guards there are. And even the same style can have considerable height differences were the knife crosses across. ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 8:05pm
| Buy a disc mower and do twice the work in less time. MACK |
Posted By: 8070nc
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 8:28pm
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I know disc mowers are the way to go. Watching the hay fall being cut reminds me of cutting hay 50 years ago when I was a boy on a D10 and a 3 point 82 sickle mower Im not saying life was any better then but it seems like it was simpler ------------- 1984 80780 1957 D14 DES 300 with 25000 engine 616 tractor |
Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 9:38pm
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I may turn to a disc mower one day but then again gotta run them at rated PTO speed. Probably go disc bine if I go that route. For now I'll just enjoy putting along. ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |
Posted By: Pat the Plumber CIL
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 9:44pm
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Agree with Mack My father ran an New Idea crimper /conditioner behind our mounted ac Sickle mower. There was some kind of tube structure that connected between the two. He stopped connecting them when my brother and I were old enough to run the crimper behind the old WC . ------------- You only need to know 3 things to be a plumber;Crap rolls down hill,Hot is on the left and Don't bite your fingernails 1964 D-17 SIV 3 Pt.WF,1964 D-15 Ser II 3pt.WF ,1960 D-17 SI NF,1956 WD 45 WF. |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 10:54pm
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As I understand it, Macon wants to mow pastures for now. I myself would not spend the funds on discbine, and the larger tractor required if all I was to do is clip a pasture. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 6:27am
With sickle mowers for some reason people hate to buy a new sickle assembly which is the number one most important thing.I have bought a lot of sickle mowers in my life and have yet to buy one with sickle sections in it I'd go mow hay with.I cut 100+ acres of pretty good hay every year these days with a NH 456 trailer mower hooked to a 33HP Yanmar.Have very few problems,mower gets a complete new sickle assembly from Webb every year.Many would say the sickles I take out are sharp and they'd be OK to mow a pasture field but not to cut hay.Once a grinder ever touches a section its no longer sharp and never will be.BTW I have been cutting hay with a sickle mower every every Summer since 1959 when I first cut with an AC CA and No 7T AC trailer mower
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Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 9:42am
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It's hard to beat a sickle for mowing pasture. It lays down an even swath that forms a mulch. Chokes out weeds and promotes grass regrowth. Much better than a bushhog and I have both. Did it for years, you could see the difference. ------------- Learning AC...slowly |
Posted By: Gary Burnett
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 10:42am
Only thing better is goats,they turn the weeds into great fertilizer,don't use gas or diesel and produce little goats that sell for more per pound than calves,all while you sit on the porch relaxing.
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Posted By: exSW
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 12:15pm
You mean fence testers? If your fence will hold water it'll hold goats. But they are the nuclear deterrent to multiflora rose. ------------- Learning AC...slowly |
Posted By: Stan R
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 12:33pm
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USc6lqK0Zyc&t=328s" rel="nofollow - double mowing starts around the 5 min mark |
Posted By: Straanger
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 1:24pm
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Posted By: Straanger
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 1:25pm
| And poison ivy |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 2:01pm
| Once upon a time we had a horse kept at my mom's place. Suggested getting it some goat friends.....she blew a cork! It was about the fencing issue.... |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 4:24pm
after watching Stans movie, i can honestly say that i guess i dont know what i am doing... I use a 6 ft side sickle on a B to mow road sides.. Lots of Vetch and 3 ft tall grass / weeds.. I get a LOT of plugging and *** ... Sicleks are 3 years old and have red, orange, blue rock guards  ... but HEY... i didnt pay much for it and only run 4 hours per year !  ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 9:51am
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When I pulled the D15 out of neighbors barn a few years back, when found, it was still hooked to a JD 450 pull type sickle mower with 9 foot bar. Mower is still in the barn and I've started process of rehabbing it, starting with new used tires. If sections are sharp and guards are tight, not too bad about slugging down, unless you mow same ground twice. To sharpen a riveted section sickle like that requires a special V shaped grinding wheel on a bench grinder. You can keep one going a long time......until sickle breaks off at the head end. Under serrated sections do best. I plan to use it on road banks, pond dams and to clip hay ground to thin the weeds. A nine foot bar covers a lot of ground in a hurry.
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Posted By: Les Kerf
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 10:44am
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My late Father-in-law told of his family pulling two horsedrawn-type mowers in tandem behind a tractor back in the 1940's. I am not aware of any photos of this setup. |
Posted By: tadams(OH)
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 12:31pm
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I remember mowing hay with our CA and a belly mounted mower when I was between 10 and 14, back then we didn't have a crimper and it got raked with a WC and a AC pto hay rake that couldn't be towed on the road in 4th gear cause the crazy wheel would dance all over the place.
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Posted By: Macon Rounds
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 1:14pm
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9 foot sickle bar ??? I have sickle envy.... ------------- The Allis "D" Series Tractors, Gravely Walk behind Tractors, Cowboy Action Shooting !!!!!!! And Checkmate |