Ether injector 6080 help
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Topic: Ether injector 6080 help
Posted By: ssefick
Subject: Ether injector 6080 help
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2022 at 9:11pm
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Hello all: I just bought a 6080, and I am going to be doing some work to it. My first question is about the ether injector. I have used diesel engines with glow plugs but never one of these things. What kind of starting fluid do use? Can I make a bale out ofna close hanger to hold above in place? Thanks for the help. |
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Posted By: K bockting
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2022 at 10:22pm
| Use the block heater or install intake heater if it doesnt have one. Much better for cold starts. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2022 at 4:48am
I agree with K, take it off and put a block heater in. I hadda d-19 crack head ether eater, it learned how to push its own ether button, and the can was always empty, and the repair$ were many! ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2022 at 6:59am
| The Fall of 1980 was the introduction of the 6060/6080 tractors. The engines had already been used in the 78/79 harvest season in the K2/F2 combines. They were 14 to 1 compression ratio, which made them a hard starter when cold. There's a reason ether start was standard equipment on a combine, because a 110V electrical outlet wasn't always available in the field. Whenever we sold a new 6000 series tractor, they always had an engine block heater and ether start. During pre-delivery I always relocated the ether atomizer into the air tube ahead of the radiator and just above the air cleaner hose. This softened the ether "hit" and made it much more acceptable to the customer. One thing for certain....you will need some sort of starting aid in cool temp areas. Pick your poison.....block heater.........ether start.........manifold heater.......or a heated building. |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2022 at 8:17am
| welcome to the forum. We use the block heater. Or the manifold heater. Both work well |
Posted By: WLHD21
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2022 at 1:01pm
| With a fresh overhaul and the glow plugs I could start my 6080 at 21 degrees, anything colder I would run out of battery, one battery! |
Posted By: ssefick
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2022 at 8:37pm
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Thanks for all of the help. I understand the block heater, but I do not at present have electricity near the tractor. The Perkins needs a little bit of help this winter. I am all ears about the best way to use ether or other means to help start the tractor without a building and without electricity. The d6 needs a shot when very cold and it has glow plugs. Ether in the air prefilter, and then go sit down on the seat, and start? Ether can in the installed ether injector? Warm bottles of water on the engine before starting? Electric blanket plugged into a power inverter on a battery? Something else I am not thinkg of? |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2022 at 8:44pm
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Coleman "basketball" radiant heater, slid under oil pan about an hour before start time! Do NOT use this, if the motor is fuel or oil leaky... Don't pay too much, the old ones are the best, I've got 'em for $5-10, at yard sales!  https://www.ebay.com/itm/133908180990" rel="nofollow - https://www.ebay.com/itm/133908180990 ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2022 at 9:44pm
| On my F2 it's wired so the ether won't spray until the starter is cranking. |
Posted By: Ron(AB)
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 12:01am
Are we still talking about the Allis? I thought the 6080 had an Allis engine? ------------- 405, 7000, 7050, 8050, 8070, L3, 2300 & 2600 disk |
ssefick wrote:Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 5:26am
| 6080 is NOT a Perkins !!! Ether in the air pre-filter and then go sit in the seat?? hell no. Use the push button ether system on the tractor !!! Keep a can installed at all times to prevent dirt from getting into the ether system and plugging it. Warm bottles of water on the engine?? a total waste of time !! A battery warming blanket?? Well, first off, this is getting kind of stupid. If you have 110V electricity PLUG IN THE BLOCK HEATER. The tractor is designed to have TWO batteries of 1,000 CCA size. Do that and there will be no battery issues. |
Posted By: ssefick
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 6:04am
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First, I very much appreciate all of your thoughts and suggestions. It is an Allis engine. There is a 175 manual in the binder the previous owner gave me. Sorry I was unclear. 1. There is no electricity at the tractor. 2. The tractor is hard to start when cold. 3. I have never had a diesel engine without glow plugs, and, instead, has an ether injector system. Question: Given 1-3 what is the least complicated, practical solution that will cause the least engine damage, and start the engine when cold. Order an agco ether canister? Is the ether can a normal starter fluid can? I will look at the basketball heater. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 7:07am
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Personally I never inject ether into an engine that is not rotating at the time of injection. I heavily favor the onboard type systems also and have them on anything two stroke Detroit Diesel powered. You get the engine to cranking for a second or two, (allows oil pressure to build) and while cranking push the ether injector button for a second or two and the engine should fire off if in good tune. Some of these are a measured shot, some dispense as long as you push the button. As mentioned keep a container mounted on these things at all times to keep dirt out. I always plug my machines in to allow the immersion, or tank type external heaters to keep the engines warm. This of course only if I'm going to need the vehicle for any use.
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 7:22am
| Your tractor came with ether start on it. USE IT !!! Buy a fresh can of ether. Remove the spray tip. Install the can to the base, making sure the rubber seal didn't stick to the old can when you removed it. Sit in seat. Push in the foot clutch pedal. Leave throttle at slow idle. Crank engine and while cranking push and RELEASE the ether button, If no-go quickly hit/release ether button a second time or whatever it takes while still cranking. Ether button can be hit multiple times without cranking to keep the engine running as needed. Ether button is wired hot and does NOT require starter to be engaged. |
Posted By: ssefick
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 7:34am
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DrAllis and Codger many thanks! No can installed when I bought it, and sitting for 3-5 years. I should probably take a look in the ether injector system and clean it. There is no bail to hold the can. The function of this piece is to hold the ether can in place? I can fashion one out of metal strapping. Anyone have any better ideas? Thanks everybody! I will be on here as I service and fix things on the tractor. |
Posted By: Codger
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 7:39am
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For what it's worth, the whole shebang can be purchased new for usually under $50.00 on ebay. Given the age and being open to atmosphere, I'd look at a replacement unit myself. I just installed a new one last year on my large Ingersol-Rand air compressor and picked it up for $35.00 complete new in the box. The ether cartridge was $66.00 and that really surprised me at the heavy truck parts store I use. 40 years ago those were about $8.00..... |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 7:55am
| buy yourself an owner operators manual, and parts book. |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 8:06am
| looking at parts book. Looks like can screws into place. Opps there’s two types. Call agco and see if there still available |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 8:25am
| Ether can base came with a "bail". No such thing as a screw on can for this model tractor. EDIT: 70256824 is the bail assembly on page 92 of 6080 on-line book. |
Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 10:13am
| Was able to find parts for mine at a salvage yard. |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 11:08am
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I was taught long ago to keep either as far away form smaller diesels as possible. The old fellow that stressed this had a neat way that works well; Have a small propane torch (the ones that go on the small camping bottles) remove air cleaner, or open plug in intake manifold. light torch and direct flame down pipe and in about a minute or so any diesel will start right up, anywhere with no block heater or either needed. I've also seen diesels started buy lighting a small bunch of paper towels in the air cleaner housing. Either can be a costly problem if not used SPARINGLY. It's your tractor, use either at your own risk. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: CORLEWFARM
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2022 at 7:08pm
| There's nothing wrong with ether if used properly. It's not as evil as it's made out to be. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2022 at 8:51am
| Exactly !! If used properly it usually just takes a shot- if more theres other stuff going on |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2022 at 10:51am
| John Deere ether (80%) used on a smaller (say 236 Perkins) high compression engine can be bad news as the one-battery starting system will lock-up if given the least bit too much. The 6080 is a lower compression engine, with two large batteries and if cheap ether is used, you'll never have any issues. Just got a text the other day from a good customer with a picture of his Grandpa's 6080 tach. He just rolled over 8,000 hrs, bought new in 1980 or 81. Never been touched other than a clutch. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2022 at 11:06am
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Agco ether is also 80% btw. The smaller diesel to keep ether away from is the small compact diesel that use an indirect injection system, they are very small, very high compression ratio, and ether usually takes them to an early grave, even if it's not used in conjunction with the glow plugs lol! Lets set this straight too, the small engines use what is called a glow plug, there is one in each cylinder, and most glow plug engines need the glow plugs to start the first start of the day, even in warmer weather. The AC 200/433 301/649 and 426/670 do not use glow plugs, some used a manifold air preheater. Totally different setup. Neither one will like being used with ether lol! ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: Longmeadow Farm
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2022 at 2:57pm
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Purchased a 1981 serial number 2096, model 6080 in 2004. Found it in a scrap yard. Had 4200 or so hours on the hour meter. I thought I'd take chance and bought it. Replaced a bunch of stuff like the turbo, hyd pump and rebuilt the injector pump....and the original ether injector system.... buying/replacing the original parts as necessary...and re-shimmed the external thrust bearing which was out of spec. I agree with Dr Allis...the original early 6080 starting system works well if you understand how it works. I usually don't use my 6080 in the winter ... as it typically is used for tillage, haying activities and forage chopping in the fall. After reading this post I went outside yesterday ... and with the temps in the high thirties... Hit the starter...and gave it a couple of quick squirts of ether... and while not turning it over gave it another 2 quick squirts... and hit the starter again.... the old girl came to life. It's been in the shed since early November. All the crap about not injecting ether into an idle engine ..is just that... crap. I must confess that my 6080 is not exactly "stock" .. when the injection pump was rebuilt I had the pump adjusted to the low side ....resulting in very little exhaust smoke and better starting characteristics. Do I wish it had a block heater, manifold heater, glow plugs, et al.... why??? It works well just as it is.
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Posted By: ssefick
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2022 at 7:30am
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Thank you to everyone. Great information. Bought a parts manual and actual service manual (not condensed I&t manual). That way I can figure out how to get the ether system functioning as designed. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2022 at 7:46am
| The fact that there was no bail for the can, left open to dirt, 40 years old and the ether atomizer may be plugged, you might wind up just buying a whole ether start kit. Have you ever got the tractor started one time ?? |
Posted By: ssefick
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2022 at 8:05am
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What I know: The man who owned it fed his family with it until 3-5 years ago when he passed. The engine runs like a top (needs an oil pressure sending until). My brother and I got the hydraulics working, and we found that the pto needs a pin to engage the lever. After a full service and cleaning next weekend, I'll start putting the tractor back into service, and I'll find out more. Do you have suggestions for the type/brand of a new either injector system? The solinoid works, but I don't know if everything is plugged up or not. Once I have the manuals, and know better what I am looking at. I'll take a peak. Many thanks! |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2022 at 8:14am
| If the solenoid works, install a new can, disconnect the copper tube at the atomizer and see if it will squirt ether when you press/release the button. If so, connect the line and if the atomizer is clean, it will fire the engine up. If it is plugged, not ether will pass thru. |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2022 at 8:35am
| go to agco publications.com and search 6080 and all the manuals you need are there. There expensive but there’s a lot of info in them, and be glad there still available for a 40 year old tractor. The ether operation is explained. And For a newbie this tractor has a odd pto set up. Find a agco dealer for parts if you need |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2022 at 5:39pm
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The ether injection kits I have seen in a google search run from about $85-250. I would say try agco first, to see what they are gonig to charge you for the kit. ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: ssefick
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2022 at 6:48pm
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@DiyDave my brother are, apparently, aspiring antique heavy equipment mechanics :). We worked through a caterpillar d6b last year. Runs like a top. I have bought a manual and parts book from yesterday's tractor. They say they are the actual manuals. Should I cancel that order and order from agco? Are there any differences? Thanks for all of the help! @DrAllis That makes sense. I'll get a can next week from NAPA , and test. Changing all filters and oil. Also found a leakiny oil pressure sending unit- replacing that. I cleaned it today. The paint doesn't look that bad now that the crud is removed. Thanks for all of the help! |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2022 at 7:23pm
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I know nothing of what yt sells, other than its probably imported... IMHO, you are always better off with an Agco manual...  ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2022 at 7:25pm
| oh ok. I honestly don’t know on the yesterday’s. Maybe someone will comment with first hand knowledge on those books. |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2022 at 9:11am
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As mentioned in earlier posts, the introduction of ether inside the engine's intake could be bad if the intake's preheater has been previously activated(still glowing/ very hot!!). The AC 6060-6070 433T / 6080 433I 4.9L diesels usually have intake preheaters installed. Also, TOO MUCH ether can "wash" off cylinder/piston lube oil. This YouTube video shows how ether could affect a diesel engine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsRcrKdWRyA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsRcrKdWRyA
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2022 at 9:39am
| None of the early 6000 series had intake manifold heaters. That didn't come along until they raised the compression ratio. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2022 at 6:01pm
| Yeah intake heaters seemed rare |