Wages ??
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Topic: Wages ??
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Subject: Wages ??
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 7:38pm
I drove past a DQ this morning on my way to work this morning that had on their "marqee" full time employment at $13.50/hour, part time was $ 10/ hour  > how many $$ are you guys willing to spend for a "fast food" burger ??
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 7:40pm
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Pay 50% more for help... Hire 50% Less workers... SELF ORDER... SELF PAY... next Robots will be making the food. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 7:45pm
Well, your "self service" analogy has some merit, I for one will NOT stoop to that level though
 , the "self ordering". |
steve(ill) wrote:Posted By: plummerscarin
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 7:51pm
| Now you see the problem with $15 minimum wage. And since you ask, what are YOU willing to pay? |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 8:00pm
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I for one, don’t consider DQ ‘fast’ food. As for the wages, they now have to compete against the government paying the able bodied to stay home. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 8:07pm
For what ?? Food or wages ??
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 8:09pm
Lars, there is NO such thing as "fast food" anymore at ANY venue   .
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 8:17pm
And not to change the subject "much" , but I had the WORST tasting/$$$ fish sandwich last evening out of CULVERS , never again will I step foot on their doorstep  .
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Posted By: thendrix
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 8:50pm
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Seems like every "restaurant" in town, be it fast food or sit down, is interviewing and hiring on the spot. Several are advertising $14 to $15/hr pay ------------- "Farming is a business that makes a Las Vegas craps table look like a regular paycheck" Ronald Reagan |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 9:00pm
| Just this morning , I drove past a DQ that had their pay scale for help wanted - $13.50/hr FT, $10/hr PT. Other than "management", what do you guys think is a fair wage for these types of restaurants ?? |
Posted By: Lars(wi)
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 9:23pm
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It’s up the employee, and the employer, on what is fair. It’s definitely not the governments business. ------------- I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 9:24pm
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FAIR ??? What does that mean ? If there are no workers available, you have to may MORE to get someone... SUPPLY AND DEMAND. If i can train you to do a job in 15 minutes, your VALUE is slightly above a monkey. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 9:33pm
But , even YOU, must admit that the cost of labor at a FF joint can only increase the $$ of a burger  !! How many "monkeys" have you trained recently ??
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Posted By: dee_veloper
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 9:39pm
Nothing. I don't eat that s*** ------------- Don't confuse my personality with my attitude. My personality is who I am. My attitude depends on who you are. |
Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2021 at 10:42pm
"the cost of labor at a FF joint can only increase the $$ of a burger" WOW you live in reality? Maybe we just need a $50/hr minimum wage nation wide for anyone working over 2 seconds a day then we'll find out what everyone is willing to pay for a burger. ------------- "Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin |
Posted By: shameless dude
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 12:49am
| i don't eat that stuff either, they can charge what ever they want to. |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 4:47am
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More of a certain someone's attempts to drag politics into this forum, not biting... ------------- Source: Babylon Bee. Sponsored by BRAWNDO, its got what you need! |
Posted By: jaybmiller
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 5:30am
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Thanks to the Chinese Covid, I've not stepped foot into a FFR in TWO YEARS. That's about 100 'visits' and I don't miss not going... saving money, eating healthier,more time to enjoy life...... the ONLY downside is not seeing some friends in person. Jay ------------- 3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112 Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor) Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 7:25am
Wish the Site Supers would just move these type posts to the Political section, do NOT belong here.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 8:14am
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He is a BAITER... Waiting for someone to slam SLEEPY , so he can bash the Ex president. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Greg (Hillsboro, OH)
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 8:17am
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Several mention not using self order kiosks or not using self checkouts at stores. I somewhat agree, but if you think back to when many of us were young, there was no self service gas stations. How many of us now even think twice about pumping our own gas? Times change, and increased wages leads to automation of many tasks, not just cashiers. It is a simple fact that once wages increase to a level that exceeds the cost of technology to replace those manual tasks they WILL be replaced. Look at factories and all aspects of business, many jobs have been automated. I hate to see jobs lost, but it will happen. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 8:29am
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Before the lockdown, i use to take the two grandkids to McDonalds two times a week... Eat then play in the jungle gym area..... We would be there an hour... EVERY person under 40 years old would walk in, walk up to the kiosk ( two of them) and order / pay for their food... EVERY ONE... Only the "old people" (me) walked up to the counter and told the girl what we wanted. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 8:32am
| I dont mind the self order thing, turn around and they are working on your order- fast and efficent |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 10:28am
| Wife and I will entertain a Small Shop burger, even will partake of DQ as Currently have a $6 meal deal menu, that dies or price creeps up and will refrain from there as well as have of MickeyDs or any of the other established FF Shops. We routinely scan for Specials of our local shops, the Downtown Deli serves great low cost specials, employs the local school kids to get them a start at workforce participation and gain value lessons in listening to customers. The Rhineland 'Corner' has weekly specials and offerings for older adults, never see all too many youth in there. |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 11:46am
| @Greg (Hillsboro, OH) That is an excellent point my friend. I have been on a high horse about not using the self checkout at Wal Mart because "I don't work for Wal Mart". You're right, I don't give it a second thought about pumping my own gas. Probably because I have never lived in a time with full service gas stations. Definitely food for thought. Thanks. |
Posted By: JTOOL
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 11:49am
| @FREEDGUY; RE: CULVERS; I wasn't too impressed with Culvers. The food tasted pretty good (burger and waffle fries) but for what they charged, the portions seemed small. And they are a Pepsi place too. Yuck! |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 1:31pm
------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 2:08pm
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And as wife and I shopped Wally World(I DESPISE but She MUST Do) this morning the number of customers checking self checkout was big, as did not want to wait on the TWO ONLY Checker registers, I waited. Gal came to us three times with "We have Self Check stations Open", I looked past her and stated yes you do then went back to waiting as did the FIVE customers behind us. She stated the store was looking to eliminate the checker registers, explained to her politically correct that when that day occurs my money will go elsewhere. She wrote that down along with similar responses from the five behind us. Will spend 5% MORE at another store to NOT wait on myself, I pay the store a profit to perform those actions.
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Posted By: Dorix
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 5:31pm
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RE: It is a simple fact that once wages increase to a level that exceeds the cost of technology to replace those manual tasks they WILL be replaced. Greg I've wondered at times if you wont see wages go down in the future just to compete with technology? I don't know the future but at some point when most jobs are automated something would have to change?
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 6:25pm
| When general population no longer works and the Guv cannot feed them enough money to buy stuff supplied robotically as the inflation rate skyrockets then maybe someone will figure it out. |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 6:54pm
You can't be MORE wrong
!! I'm all for a fair wage/minimum wage. For some reason the ff joints get hit hard with wages/cost of product. Even the $13 for full time really doesn't seem like enough in this day and age . |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 6:57pm
There were multiple Mcd with the kiosks "here", they were removed within a year
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 7:00pm
The "full service" gas station was before my time
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Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 7:07pm
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Still have a full service gas station in town here, 2 cents a gal more. Check your oil, tires, and clean the windows while they fill your tank. Bet there's still some in MI too. ------------- "Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin |
Posted By: Dorix
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 7:20pm
RE: I'm all for a fair wage/minimum wage. For some reason the ff joints get hit hard with wages/cost of product. Even the $13 for full time really doesn't seem like enough in this day and age  . How much should they pay? When you mandate a minimum wage there are consequence's like automation.
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 7:22pm
There are a "few" stations that have service bays attached to the main building, but no body comes out to check fluids/pressures
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 7:24pm
I was on the notion of Parity earlier today while having a burger for lunch today. The one and only non chain burger joint in a town of 35,000+ people. Many of you less than 50 may never heard the term parity, comes from O'l FDR and his starting the USA down the road of destruction.  Yes back then you could starve without a job so a lot of what he started was needed. But look what one little step started.It was to compare how many goods (shirt, shoes, wrench , lb of coffee, etc., etc.) you could buy with a bushel of wheat. Was a real number the Commodity Credit Corporation or CCC (farmers welfare office) calculated and Washington DC used to figure farm payments into the 70's. Anyway burger, fries, and a drink are $9.00 up to combo's with bacon or mushroom or 2 patties top out a $15.00. But I see a milk shake is $5.50 and it is not all that big. About twice the price of Jack in the Box one. But my wife had been looking at old times in town on space waste earlier this week. In 1970 to 73 a burger ,or Coke, or milkshake was 25 cents each. Back then minimum wage was $1.65 / hour so less than a 1/2 hour of work to buy lunch. You need to work 3/4 of a hour today at the $12 to $14 dollars/hour minimum Calif is on to be at $15 in a year or two.So I have no answer for how much I will pay for a burger, but am happier supporting a local family running their own business than big time corporation. Even when some of the family is a little hard to understand cause English is not their first language.
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Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 9:44pm
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So I have no answer for how much I will pay for a burger, but am happier supporting a local family running their own business than big time corporation. Even when some of the family is a little hard to understand cause English is not their first language. I agree with that logic Ray.......... but the local McDonalds hires 15 - 20 LOCAL High School kids and they all have a BEGINNING JOB to teach them how to work... Your supporting LOCAL and the kids are LEARNING how a JOB WORKS.
------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: LouSWPA
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2021 at 11:48pm
------------- I am still confident of this; I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land of the living. Wait for the Lord; be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord. Ps 27 |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2021 at 3:38am
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As a start most of us ‘old guys’ on here baled hay that is followed the farmer that mowed raked and baled to wagon loaded and stacked in a barn loft, many of us for pennies a bale. Adults did some but most done by HS kids Today can barely find help to get this done where many buy bale pickers and stack in a bale shed. I mowed grass for $5 a yard included hand trim the house as string trimmers did not exist, I supplied mower and gas. Worked at a gas station cleaning rest rooms, floors, garage floor and helped owner close up at night for $1.70/ hr and a penny/gal off my own gas buys. Final job before Army entry was bus boy at Italian restaurant, $1.20/ hr and part of tips that equated to pennies on dollars as waitresses tended to not share. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2021 at 8:23am
Then what do you suppose the food will HAVE TO cost to cover that expense?
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2021 at 8:25am
Maybe.....trying to think how many years it's been since I've seen one here in MI though. And with a daughter in traveling softball and a son in traveling hockey, and 3 kids at 3 different colleges at one time, I got around the whole state a LOT>
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Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2021 at 9:53am
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There surely is a few but probably don't advertise it. Women over 70 would know, at least out here they would. There's two in the county I live in, neither advertise it, one of them if not open no gas, the other has a cardtrol for 24hr gas. I have never seen a woman over 70 pump her own gas at the local station and several younger ones don't pump as well, I guess we're just backwards out here. The local phone co. never pumps there own gas only the station and the local fiberglass plant doesn't pump as well, company policy. I'm guessing there's no question what the gas went into and that the tires and oil are good to go. 2 cents a gal is probably cheap insurance for them. Of course the 2 local trucking companies supply credit cards for fuel and it's surprising how many of there drivers drive diesel pickups. Once in a while a driver gets replaced do to really bad fuel mileage. ------------- "Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2021 at 10:06am
Sounds like Kansas must be a majic place,
it costs 10 cents a gal to use a credit card. To pump the gas I am sure would would be a buck or more. I do know the state is looking out for the handicapped. If you have the plate or plastic placard and you ask they need to pump the gas, But I bet they don't check your oil. |
Posted By: Kansas99
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2021 at 10:54am
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Around here nobody helps the disabled pump gas because they are usually pulling two riding lawn mowers behind them and a weedeater headed to the next mowing job that they get paid cash for. They get all the help they ------------- "Thank you for your service Joe & the Ho"-----Joseph Stalin |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2021 at 11:04am
Reminds me of this woman who came into the 'convenience' store, 2 clerks working, practically begging for help with oil because something was wrong, and they just shrugged their shoulders and said sorry, can't leave the counter.
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2021 at 2:04pm
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I have never seen the handicapper get gas pumped. No idea where it was discussed local, maybe read it with stuff in the envelope my wife's placarded comes in. If there are 2 employees and a person with papers asks they must pump it and thinking for self service price even but not sure of that part.
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Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2021 at 5:19pm
| I’m sure there is something for handicapped, but I don’t know what and I can’t think of the last time I saw a store employee pumping gas. With only one person working a lot of the time and the till and snacks and stuff…. I don’t know how that’s supposed to work or gets ignored or what? |
Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2021 at 6:02pm
No, I did not, NOR did I miss you being gone last week
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Posted By: FREEDGUY
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2021 at 6:06pm
A WHOLE LOT MORE than the Wendy's 4/$4 deal
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Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2021 at 10:30pm
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I love automation when I don't have to speak with someone who could care less if they could help me and half the time when they attempt to speak proper English it comes out as more of a grunt. Fast food is by far the worst. At least a robot won't spit on my food. Replace them all I say. ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2021 at 3:25am
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Should stores decide that automated self check be their only profitable way to sell products I will switch to online and avoid stores Has already happened to malls. |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2021 at 8:41am
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When i stop by Wal Mart, there are 4 SELF CHECKS and probably 8 HELP CHECK OUTS.. Early in the am. The 4 SELF CHECKS have people checking out... and ONE of the HELP CHECK OUTS is open...7 closed... most people going thru the SELF. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2021 at 11:20am
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The 2 closest Walmart stores both say all self checkout by the end of the year. I don't know how they're going to handle alcohol sales? Must be someone will be wandering around checking, helping. Can't wait for Meijer's to open. 25 mile drive will be well worth it.
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Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2021 at 12:55pm
With the genus governor of yours, that I am sure shares tips from my governor. You just make it so taking less than $950 is misdemeanor so why bother. Stories going around about the shoplifters carrying a calculator to make sure they don't take to much in one trip. |