18 speed prototype transmission
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Topic: 18 speed prototype transmission
Posted By: victoryallis
Subject: 18 speed prototype transmission
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 1:40pm
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Was reading some chatter on another site about the 18 speed transmission Allis was close to debuting at the time of the German takeover. Anymore details other than Duetz was quick to kill it. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 1:52pm
| It consisted of a three-speed range transmission to get the 18 speeds. I'm sure there were other 6-speed Power Shift upgrades to be able to handle more HP and torque as well, but the concept was make a medium range faster than the old low range to get some 8 to 9 mph field speeds. I'm thinking wider/stronger planet gears and an extra disc in each clutch pack would have been a nice start inside the 6-speed. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 7:53pm
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Did it eliminate that awkward area where 4th low is too slow. 1st high is sorta fast and the jump to 2nd high is way too fast. I wish they had something between 1 and 2 high that didn’t kick you back when you clutched. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2021 at 8:19pm
| I always envisioned their 4th medium speed to be right at 6 MPH. If so, that would have made 5th Med at 7.2 MPH and 6th Med at 9.3 MPH approximately. |
Posted By: modirt
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 7:16am
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Am I the only one who thinks most tractors are geared up too high? One I am thinking of is a JD 4430.......which has 16 speeds. I ran it for several years and aside from road gear, never once had a use for the other top 7. In the working ranges, only 3 of them ever saw much use. On the other hand, 1st on that tractor would be too fast for some hay I was baling a few weeks back. Seems to me that 1st ought to be half the speed it is and the rest spread out more in the middle where they could be used for something.
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Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 9:06am
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My buddy had a 7060 with an prototype Allison powershift transmission that was a 15 speed with no ranges I believe. Anyone know anything about that? ------------- On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's) |
Posted By: Alex09(WI)
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 9:57am
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It is nice to have some faster working speeds 8-10mph+ with modern equipment. Like pulling a merger, wheel hay rake, or pulling wagons next to a chopper. ------------- www.awtractor.com A&W TRACTOR 920-598-1287 KEEPING ALLIS-CHALMERS IN THE FIELDS THROUGH THE 21ST CENTURY |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 1:38pm
| I've used the "C" range on the JD's a lot. Side dressing with 28-0-0, round baling, running the grain cart, running the VT, and sometimes on the road when Hi range seems to fast. Did one time chopping hay that 1st gear was too fast for a heavy windrow. Only once. |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 5:13pm
A CVT eliminates all of those problems.
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modirt wrote:Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 6:34pm
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Big Al And when did Fendt bring CVT to the USA? Mid to late 90’s ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 7:31pm
| I think I drove an AGCO-Fendt in 1998 in Kansas City. |
Posted By: MikeKroupa
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 10:00pm
| If I'm remembering correctly 1996 . Met the late Kevin Bein for the first time @ Husker Harvest Days. AGCO had a cutaway of a CVT and Kevin explained and demonstrated the concept of the CVT. Of course he was very passionate about the Fendt designed CVT, that was now under the AGCO banner. I also recall thinking that for us the 9600 series with the 18 speed powershift would serve us well and they did , but today we have 5 CVT Tractors. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 08 Jul 2021 at 10:11pm
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I remember driving one at Farm Progress Show in 97 or 98 ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: JimIA
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 1:31pm
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As far as the A-C transmission, at least a few of the 8095s had a heavy duty 6 speed powershift and a three speed range. The range shift had a high, low and intermediate position. To my knowledge all of the transmissions were removed from the tractors and destroyed. There is one platform left from one of the 8095s that has the three range shift position. As far as I have gathered there was never a full 18 speed powershift built. Jim ------------- An open eye is much more observant than an open mouth |
Posted By: Alex09(WI)
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 3:27pm
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It woulda been nice if the 3 ranges were synchronized. ------------- www.awtractor.com A&W TRACTOR 920-598-1287 KEEPING ALLIS-CHALMERS IN THE FIELDS THROUGH THE 21ST CENTURY |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 4:06pm
| If this transmission would have been introduced, 3 short years later would have been obsolete. By 1987 Case/IH had their 16-speed full Power Shift and by 1990 Ford had the Funk 16-speed full power shift. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 6:50pm
Isn’t the Funk Deere owned? ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Daehler
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 7:33pm
It probably wouldn't of been long before the engineers figured out how to make a full power . The 3 range transmission would of served as a good intermediate until then. Those must have been in the two fully dismantled 8095s. I wondered why two were still mainly complete. ------------- 8070FWA,7080 BlackBelly, 7045,2 200s,D19,D17,G, WD,45,UC,7 AC mowers and lots more! "IT TAKES 3 JD's TO OUT DO AN ALLIS, 2 TO MATCH IT IN THE FIELD AND 1 FOR PARTS!" |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2021 at 9:46pm
| Yes, Funk is owned by Deere. They make transmissions for the 8000 series Deere, older TerraGators, Ford/NewHolland, AGCO Allis and AGCO White tractors. |
Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 11:53am
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Magnums were 18 speed powershift. I think the FNH were too, but wasn't around them much, so don't remember. The AC 3 range/6sp PS could have engineered a clutch into the range section for full 18sp PS, which is exactly what CIH and Funk do. Not sure how feasible it would be in the AC. ------------- 210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers! |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 7:56pm
| Case/IH and Funk transmissions to me are a countershaft design with no planetaries at all. Been a while since I've seen the Case/IH tranny cut-away, but I know that's how a Funk/TerraGator is and the Ford/NewHollands Genesis. |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 10:18pm
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Farmboy 520, any idea where that 7060 is today? Was it a red or black frame tractor? Does you buddy have any pictures of it? ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2021 at 10:22pm
| I'd suggest it was a 7050, as Allison was involved with early prototypes 7000 series tractors, but that Allison deal fell apart and Allis went on its own. |
Posted By: farmboy520
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2021 at 8:36am
------------- On the farm: Agco Allis 9695, 7060, 7010, R66, Farmall H, and Farmall F20 (Great Grandpa's) |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2021 at 10:34am
| It would sure be nice to be able to follow up on that story. That would have been a first for Allison. They never made anything with more than 6 speeds that I knew of. |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2021 at 6:38pm
| Id say that -all of a sudden the story is - that someone now has a 7000 series with the Allison tranny- is a story- Allis- Chalmers was working with Allison on an auto transmission arangement, but it was double the intial bid price- so they went theyre own way , which controlled in house price-- lets see some pics of this tractor with that transmission , since hes your buddy , should be no problem ???o Or do tell the dealer - everything has a price and it needs to be out in the world today ; |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2021 at 9:48pm
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My discussion with engineer Joe Hoepfel (I am sure I spelled that wrong) was there was a lot of discussion but no engineering , about putting a power director in front of the power shift to yield a 24 speed trans. The issue was the increase in wheel base would have been welcomed, but the strength of the housings would have been compromised w/o bracing . ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2021 at 11:31am
| Well, if it turned out like Massey's 24-speed, that would have been really bad...…... |